MOD NOTE: Merging similar threads here. ~gal-texter

Voice in his head, just something I thought today
A voice ... an interesting pattern


Tonight I veged in front of the tv and watched the Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant movie "Two Weeks Notice." For you guys who haven't seen it, the girl works for the guy, they don't get along well, she gives him her two weeks notice but soon realizes they're in love. Anyway, Sandra's character always wrote Hugh's speeches when she worked for him and at the end of the film he finds her at her new job and reads her the first speech he's written on his own. The whole point I'm trying to make here is that the whole speech basically is about her and he says something along the lines of:

"She's become the voice in my head. I can't seem to block her out. And I don't want to block her out."

I thought that was really cute and a few minutes later they profess they're love yadda yadda yadda... I then started thinking...

Hermione has become the voice in Harry's head...

I know the voice inside the head thing has been mentioned a lot but I thought it was cute and interesting how a random movie had the same idea, and the two people were really in love with each other. They just didn't realize until the end. People from different ships might think it's irrelevant but I think Hermione being Harry's voice of reason is going to be very important once Harry starts considering his feelings towards his best friend... let me know what you think...

marianlibrian you make a good point there I only hope that Harry realizes his feelings for Hermione.

Sondra

Hey, good spotting of that on the movie. Hermione being Harry's voice of reason can't be irrelevant. It's too significant, imo. It already makes Harry think of Hermione often and even more I suppose.

oh yeah. Harry is slowly being consumed by Hermione... well, her voice in his head anyway.

I love watching movies and pulling out similar traits to our dear beloved H/Hr

Love Millie

well...the whole film is such a H/Hr mirror!

I bought the DVD a few time ago and when I saw it I was almost thinking that it was a HP film instead of sandra and hugh one! if you look carefully at the film you'll see many things that are very H/Hr-like.

great spoting MarianLibrarian

Since Hermione's such a huge fixture in Harry's life, it's really no wonder that her voice will be echoing inside his head. She serves as his conscience - his personal 'warning,' if you will.

That's the beauty of their relationship, I guess - their mental connection and bond.

Great spotting, MarianLibrarian

- Nitya

Such a deep connection and understanding between two people is the hallmark of something very deeply ingrained into two souls, slowly fusing them together.

Hermione is such a big priority in Harry's life ,it was just a matter of time until Harry would strart hearing Hermione voice as his conscious. *dreamy sigh* Isn't H/Hr great?

Nice job MarianLibrarian!


Liz

Yep, it's a pretty popular plot, the not realizing they're in love till the end, but my only problem is that it semisupports R/Hr too. I mean, they don't get along (and Hermione's relationship with Ron isn't what I'd call the best of friends) and then they fall in love. I really do think though, that you might've stumbled on to something, and congratulations on joining the ranks for H/Hr-obsessed where you think about it even while watching another movie.

athena

MarianLibrarian, that is one billiant..H/hr spotting. Hermione is Harry's Voice of Reason,love and understanding...and Harry is to Hermione..and that is why?..they are so MEANT TO BE...

BTW, on the "Voice in head" deal...Have any of you listened to the song "Miss You" by Blink182? Part of the chorus is,

"Don't waste your time on me,
You're already
The voice inside my head."

Makes you just want to squee, doesn't it?

And, and, and - Hermione talks about Harry a lot. She did it to Krum, and she even does it to Ron. Talk about Harry, I mean. He's in her head, too

~the_dog_star

Both Marian and Dog Star make good points...they are influencing each other greatly. A great match...

Its only a matter of time now I would dare say.She is alredy lurking in his subconcious,imagine the hit he will take when he realise his feelings...that sure will be fun to read!

I agree so much. If Hermione's the voice inside Harry's head... it's gotta mean something...

Definately, Harry is obviously the voice in Hermione head as well, already stated by the_dog_star

Oh yes...the voice inside his head thing.

I remember...reading OotP for the first time, I tried to read it like a ture Swisser...and I think I was pretty much sucessful (That is until the Grawp chapter ) but when I read that part I felt my ineer Pumpkineer twinge.

I do think it interesting the Hermione is the voice of reason for Harry...almost like he wants to...improve himself for Hermione? Almost like Hermione wmakes him want to do better? *Shrugs* I thought it was pretty important. It also shows that he trust her explicitly; enough to where he hears her voice giving him advice and telling him what to do even if she isn't there.

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~panda

I definitely agree, Marian Librarian. (By the way, a quick shout out to your awesome H/Hr fic, "A Year To Remember." Everyone, read this fic! It's touching and made me cry.) Hermione becoming his voice of reason pretty much sealed the deal for me. I don't see how H/Hr CAN'T happen. Everything is leading up to it. I mean, how can he be with another girl, when his conscience is Hermione? Nope, they're in loooooovvvveee...they've just got to realize it. Plus, remember the dream where Cho turns into Hermione? SYMBOLISM, BABY!

A voice....an interesting pattern
When Harry's mind has an own voice

I'm right now rereading OotP and I found myself wondering rather deeply something I assure you don't happens often. It was about some scene's where Harry hears his mind speaking in another voice. We do know that by the Dementor attack Harry hear's Voldemort's voice but what is with that scene after Ron became prefect?

This scene is extra ordinary interesting. Why? Because later in OotP we read "this part of his mind which spoke often in a voice like Hermione's" or something along this line. This phrase indicate that Harry did hear his mind more often speak in her voice. Since I read that, since I was aware of that I did wonder when? I thought maybe in GoF or in PoA something what might be I'm not sure but for sure it was in OotP and it's the prefect-scene.

I'm yet not sure if it is possible to form at hands of voices in each book let say started by PoA till OotP a theory that Harry's feeling did increase that much that he finally can name that voice.

Anyway to my point the Prefect scene all quote are from UK from chapter The woes of Mrs Weasley:
Page 151: Not this, said a small truthful voice inside his head

and

Did this make him as arogante as Draco Malfoy? Did he think himself superior to everyone else? Did he really believe he was better than Ron?
No, said the small voice defiantly.

and

Page 152: But maybe, said the small voice fairly, maybe Dumbledore doesn't choose prefects because they got themselves into load of dangerous situations...maybe he chooses them for other reasons....Ron must have something you don't...

On those two pages are after my thinking two different voices since one speaks in first person the other in third person and that is rather strange. If we look at the instance as Harry heard this voice speaking like Hermione is it important to mark that Hermione had been always just minutes before in one room with him and mark it always were it topics which did interest Hermione greatly. What means where Hermione had great emotions in that.

We all know how strong she did react about Occlumency, in fact she was emotional. Now let recap shall we? Voldemort was always able to get a connection to Harry if he was very emotional, says angry, tempered or what ever. In the Occlumency lessons we saw Harry wasn't able to close his mind always if he was emotional, tempered. Now in comparing Harry hears always this sort of voice in his mind if Hermione was indeed emotional.

You see what I'm on about? It is very possible that this isn't a part of Harry's mind but just plainly Hermione's thoughts. I always thought there is something wrong with Harry hearing Hermione's voice. Now just think about it the only other voice Harry hears is from Voldemort and we do know they have a connection. Maybe its far fretched maybe not but its surprising that Harry hears Hermione's voice only if it was a topic which made Hermione rather emotional.

Very interesting idea. Not sure if it is happening, but that would be cool.

However, about the last quote. Do you really think that Hermione would be thinking that Ron had something that he hadn't got. That last one sounded more like his own depressed thoughts.

I was surprised by that post and I don't have plenty of time to answer it but .. let's go.

It's curious now that you said it. I haven't though about it. I only assumed that he listens to her voice because is "the voice of the reason". Because is important for him, and because she cares ...

On the other hand, well Maybe he can read on her mind, I don't know, but thast brings me the scene with the weird dream of cho-harry-hermione and the firebolt.

Well I think that she have to be thinking about something that makes Ron "better" in front of Dumbledore eyes than Harry.

quote from the prefect scene when Fred says that it's incredible (or something like that) and she says "no, he has ......" She was thinking hard then.

Well I have to go to work and I can't go with my pajama

helena

Wow. Why haven't I thought of that?

Probably becuase I'm a bit daft no suprise there


-Melie-

phoenixwriter, are you saying that Harry is unknowingly performing legilmency on Hermione's thought's?

Cheers 'phoenix!

Interesting thoughts here, I've thought that in those scenes that you quoted perhaps the voice that Harry listened to was indeed Hermione mostly because it fits with her behavior in the prefect badge scene. What I mean is that Hermione surely had to question herself why Ron has become prefect and not Harry.

Not this, said a small truthful voice inside his head

If I recall correctly this sentence happened right after Harry asked himself if it was expected what had happened-Ron being prefect. Now if so, you see it's very possible that the voice is indeed Hermione's voice

But maybe, said the small voice fairly, maybe Dumbledore doesn't choose prefects because they got themselves into load of dangerous situations...maybe he chooses them for other reasons....Ron must have something you don't...

That sounds very much Hermione- if try you can just image Hermione reasoning like that. As for the final part "Ron must have something you don't"- that's could be simply Harry, after all Harry was amused that in GoF Hermione didn't want to go with Ron at Hogsmeade. What I mean is that it's interesting how Harry thinks that Hermione might prefer Ron; even if is not the case.

Mirtilla

This just struck me! Do you think there is a possibility that Hermione is an accomplished Legilimens? That would explain everything!!! I mean ofcourse Harry could be a Legillimens but wouldn't it make more sense if Hermione was an accomplished Legilimens? Doesn't Harry always say that Hermione could see right through him!!! That is a big hint if I ever saw one!!

P.S You guyz haven't given me any feedback on my latest post, "To the doubters and cynics". That's sad!!

Exactly what I was thinking 'phoenix, the two scenes have some sort of connection, both Harry and Hermione didn't expect this, particularly Hermione who was completely speechless.

Hermione's Phoenix, I think it is possible but it wouldn't make more sense. In fact, I would find it kinda of confusing unless she didn't know it....legilmency isn't exactly a power, it is a skill.

I think I might have read too much fanfic or something! But what we do know is that one of them might be performing Legilimency! That's why I love portkey! It's nice to discuss ideas!

Merged with related topic.
Orig Topic Title: Not For The First Time, Hermione's voice as Harry's conscience
-gal-texter Jun2008


Hi everyone. I have some thoughts that I'd like to discuss concerning Hermione's voice being Harry's conscience. If you read OOTP, it says "...he was halfway out of his seat, intending to hurry upstairs for his Invisibility Cloak when, not for the first time, a voice very much like Hermione's whispered in his ear: reckless."

Not for the first time. I need someone who has a copy of the other books handy, or who just has the knowledge, how long has this been going on?

And why else would JK write Harry's voice of reason, his conscience, as being in Hermione's voice if it's not because he loves her so deeply?

Hi... You know, when I read this I also got into doubts, and re-read each and every single word of every chapter of every book. And this is the first time that he hears it and we are aware. Of course, I could've miss something, but as far as I'm concerned this is the first time.

It could also be a sign of how Harry's starting to realize his feelings for Hermione, you know, realizing that that voice is alike to Hermione's

I reckon that it was simply the first time he had put a name to the voice in his head. (Have you noticed he doesn't even hesitate to say Hermione ) I think it's probably been going on since book 4 because for me that's when they really started to connect on a much deeper level.

It is obvious that Harry has Hermione on the brain. And it is true that in OOTP, he associates the voice in his head to be hers.

And since book 4 (GoF) the voices in his head have slowly developed into Hermione. I wonder what the next step in HBP will be...

I think this was foreshadowed a bit in GoF.

Sorry, I don't have my GoF in my immediate vicinity and I'm too lazy to get up and look for it...But in the first chapter, after Harry wakes up from his dream about Voldemort, and he's wondering what to do about his dream... he spots Hermione and Ron's birthday cards for him and Hermione's voice immediately fills his head with what he thought Hermione would tell him to do. It was instinctive for him to hear Hermione's voice, it seemed from that scene. He had to make an effort to imagine what Ron would say.

I think this scene foreshadowed the scene where Harry identifies the voice of reason in his head as that of Hermione.

I'm also wondering how this would affect the overall plot. In OotP, during Harry's dreams of the Department of Mysteries, he also had Hermione's voice in his head, feeling guilty and waking him up:


We later find out that Voldemort was planting the corridor dreams in Harry's head, so in essence,Voldemort and Hermione were in Harry's head at the same time. It was Hermione's voice that stopped Harry from going further into the corridor, which frustrated Voldemort. Does that mean the Voldemort knows all about Hermione? If so, does that mean that we can expect an attack on Hermione in the next book?

I think although voldemort was privy to harry's thoughts and dreams he didn't really realize the connection till' after christmas, I think it'll probably end up being kreacher or the likes of him that makes voldemort aware of h/hr connection, maybe even,(don't hit me d/g shippers) maybe draco would want revenge for harry landing his dad in jail? I dunno', but some how I don't see voldemort entering harry's mind to find out who's important to him when he can just find out in other ways....either way, hermione's seriously in trouble...

ugh, it may not be Hermione's voice. I mean, if any of you has thought about the "something huge will be revealed about Lily Potter", you may guess what I think.

I don't think the something big about Lily has anything do with that. I think it's something else entirely. Besides why would Jo say that part of Harry's mind that speaks in Hermione's voice if it wasn't? I know she's the queen of red herrings but I don't think she'd go through all the trouble to establish that the voice of Harry's conscience is Hermione's and then go and say it's not. Whatever the thing is with Lily it's something much bigger and important. I keep going back to the thing about it being important that Harry has his mother's eyes. I think whatever the huge thing is about Lily it's linked to that.

I have actually thought about this as well; I often think of hermione as Harry's mentor in away, like a guardian angel. You can see in every one of the books that she has severe input into his actions and in the later books her words seem to sink into his conscience. If you think of all the times she has helped him out in the past, be it with classwork, moral decisions, or general advice there is a pattern and its inevitable that that would eventually sink into his deeper conscience.

OMG I just had a revelation about this that supports a vague theory I've had for a while now. That it'll be love for Hermione that will eventually enable Harry to defeat Voldemort.

Here we have the first battle ground! Voldemort is inside Harry's head trying to get him to go into the DOM and Hermione is in there stopping him. Of course eventually the battle becomes external where Harry and Hermione have their big fight before heading off to the DOM. But Hermione was proven right and Harry is sure to remember this and it will give her even more power next time! Sorry this comment is probably completely of topic.

Also it's interesting that as the connection btw Harry and Voldemort becomes more pronounced so does his connection to Hermione. The two polar emotions each battling for Harry, Love and Hate, embodied by Hermione and Voldemort!

I have NEVER noticed that before, or realized what that could mean!!!!! OMG! I have GOT to look more carefully at these passages!

Caina.

Edited to close tags~Bec

I know! Sometimes I dont notice the little (yet important) things

Therefore, can we conclude that Hermione being in his head all of the time is the Reason Voldemorte could not keep possessing him? Was Harry's developing love for Hermione large enough to force out the Dark Lord?
Interesting...

And the dream sequences discussed? THe earlier dreams were often cut short after Hermione's "voice" was heard. Could that be the reason it took so long to shove the images of the Department of Mysteries into Harry's mind? Once again because Hermione was already there?
Also interesting...

Lastly, whether or not Hermione is in danger is a question mark. If what I said above is true...she might be.

This is so intriguing! I've never even considered what Hermione's voice could really signify before.

Yes, I fear, deeply fear, that Voldemort has learned, or will soon learn, just what Hermione really means to Harry, that she's been the voice of his conscience since BEFORE Sirius died, and that he'll go after her next. The other question is, will she become a target for Voldemort?

Caina.

Edited to close tags. ~Bec

I don't think she'll directly be a target at first, I have a sort of weird idea that the grangers aren't going to live to book 7, with the exception of hermione that is, who after that...I don't even want to think about it, but yea, I agree with you, voldemort definitly must realize something, I remember in OoTP someone said that voldemort didn't understand why harry hadn't come to the DoM, because he thought natural curiosity would be enough for him, voldemort's going to want to understand harry better, remember the dreams he put in harry's head and then suddenly a voice that's definitly not harry's is going to come back to his memeory...and presto, we're in trouble.

I've thought about that too. And it does worry me. Though I don't see Dumbledore leaving Hermione's parents unprotected either. I'm sure he has wards and stuff set up around their house. And members of the Order watching them. I doubt he would leave them alone knowing that Hermione is a close friend of Harry's.

As for Hermione becoming a target really she techincally already is one just for a) being a muggle-born witch and B) being friends with Harry. As I've stated elsewhere I have a feeling that if she moves up to being Harry's girlfriend I'm not sure that it would move her up on Voldemort's target list by much. He would go after her anyway. But hopefully she will be okay. Hopefully her love for Harry and Harry's love for her will help to protect her.