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Orig title: A little moment I noticed in OotP...
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Hello all ye Pumpkineers ^.^!

Maybe this has been discussed before, I don't know and am sorry if it has been, but as I reread OotP, and was at the Ministry of Magic, I came across a subtle H/Hr moment ^.^



Yes, I know. "So???"

Well, Harry could have just jinxed the "baby" one tiny bit, couldn't he? I mean, he was a Death Eater, and all. He could have just ignored Hermione and Petrificus Totalus-ed his ass, and got it done with.
Instead, he listened to Hermione and did not hurt the "baby", because, as she said, he couldn't hurt it.
Now, we all know it was a really horrible moment, they were all in danger and they didn't know what had happened to the rest of them, and Harry just probably went with instinct, which was to listen to Hermione and not argue ^.^


This probably makes no sense whatsoever to you guys, so my apologies to you
Anyway, just thought it was a nice little H/Hr moment ^.^

~the_dog_star

the_dog_star actually what you've mentioned here is just one of the many examples of Harry listening to Hermione's reason.... i just wish he listened to her earlier then Sirius wouldn't have died.or is he?... but just the same.... it just gives me an H/Hr feeling to it....

~Karen

Not to mention Harry following Hermione's advice allowed the Baby-Headed Death Eater to cause a distraction later so Harry could hex Dolohov, who had just hexed Hermione.

La la la la... Shippyness.

Nielle

Still, it's nice to know that
1)Harry's instict is to listen to Hermione now
2)Harry has realised that he SHOULD ALWAYS listen to Hermione
3)Harry's voice of reason is Hermione
4)Harry thinks about Hermione a lot, even in his dreams ^.^
and 5)Hermione's way is now finally clear, with Cho out of Harry's mind ^.^

~the_dog_star

When I first read the passage, I thought more about the connection to when Harry was a baby and how Voldemort tried to hex/jinx/kill him. It seemed to me like as if she was thinking about how someone wanted to hurt Harry as a baby. Confusing, I know...my mind is not completely lost, I swear.

the_dog_star, great billiant...H/hr spotting. but I don't understand WHO BABY IS THAT?..that Harry trying to hex..that part of book confused me. anyway...good job.

Cute

Nice spotting. It is a good example of Harry listening to Hermione, like karenkate_kitty said. Another thing is, Hermione grabbed Harry's arm before she said that. I think she did that because:
1) She wants to get out
2) She doesn't want Harry to jinx the "baby"
3) She doesn't want to leave Harry

I'd like to know if Herm not grabbing Harry's arm would have made a completely different scene. I mean, she could have just said "Don't hurt the baby!" without grabbing his arm. Maybe that's pointing to something. I don't know if that makes sense, but she does a lot of grabbing his arm when she's scared.

Yeah, I recall that scene. I *love* how Harry listens to Hermione (most of the time, anyway, for I can't deny he does have his moments *grin*). It demonstrates how much he trusts her opinion, and . . . it's just so sweet!

Yeah, it's funny how he doesn't even notice it any more. He just listens to her out of instinct and doesn't argue. Hehe, it's a sign I tell you, a sign!

athena

More than a sign, it's canon! ^.^

~the_dog_star

dreamin_athena, yeh...I agree. Harry just listen to Hermione and don't try to agrue..it useless. That is how True love is all about....and H/Hr got it.

Yeah, they have ^.^

Yay, people agree with me! That's... different,

~the_dog_star

of course we agree.... at somepoint i think the fact that Hermione grabbed Harry by the arm did make a bigger impact....*grins*


~Karen

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Orig title: Ron reassures Harry that Hr'd be fine, A great shipping moment for H/Hr?

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The above is a quote from OOTP, US Hardback edition, page 713.

This is from my website: "I know that even H/Hr shippers are going "Huh? How's that a shipper moment?" Think about it. Hermione had just been called in to her exam. Harry must have looked so concerned, so worried, that Ron felt the need to console Harry about Hermione's well-being. I very seriously doubt he was consoling himself out loud. That doesn't make sense, and I don't think he's as concerned about Hermione in this way as Harry is. I think Ron saw something in Harry's face as he watched Hermione leave to take her exam and, being the friend that he is to Harry, comforted him by reassuring him that Hermione is smart and will do well."

Well, do you agree or not? I think it odd Ron would have to say this to Harry, but I haven't seen anyone else discuss this. What do you guys think? I'd love to know because I think that this is a sly way of JK pointing out to people that Harry was WORRIED sick about Hermione and Ron saw it!

I was wondering if you could post the entire scene here. I don't want to sound too doubting but I can't base everything from just one line. I'm inclined to agree with what you say but I just want to make sure of myself.

Oh and incidently on your website, in point No 9 of Harry/Hermione moments Harry doesn't actually see Hermione's "slightly disapointed" expression which you imply in it. JKR specifically mentions this (Dramatic Irony perhaps?) and it's one of the few times where she takes the focus from Harry. I love your website though.

Jat.

sharp eye i have never thought about it before like that. also a few lines later after making a mistake in front of Draco, pansy and everyone else in the great hall he thinks"that he was really glad hermione wasn't there". not cho his crush but hermione

There you go ^^. My book was readily available so I decided to add my two knuts in addition to the quote.

It would have been nice if Ron had noticed something about Harry's concern for Hermione, but since we don't actually know what Harry was thinking, it probably has nothing to do with that. Although, the dash is kind of odd, IMO. When I read that, I really didn't see it as shippy but it very well could be... *squee!*

Only 26 days til HBP !

That is a very plausible argument, but it's definitely hard to say. For one thing, we could imagine Ron simply pointing it out because of the fact that he saw how nervous she was and, as always, wanted to prove her wrong by stating that she had absolutely nothing to be nervous about, even to Harry. For another, however, it may just be your take on it. You never know. Unfortunately, since it's really hard to tell, I'm going to have to go with the non-shippy idea here, but not because I don't want it to be a plus toward Harmony, but because it's simply hard to tell since we get no feedback from Harry.

Meg

I'd call it another ambigious JKR shipper moment. While it is plausible that Ron saw something in Harry's face so he said that. It is also just as plausible that Ron said that to comfort his own fears for Hermione..

See? Both H/Hr shippers and R/Hr shippers have a bone to chew on... However there is no real meat there to really sink their teeth into.

I don't think Ron was thinking out loud. The line ends with a question mark, meaning he's talking to someone. If it had been like this:



Then I would say he was thinking out loud. I think you might be onto something, caina. Well spotted!

Honestly, no I couldn't type up the whole scene, because the things that surround that are irrelevent really. All that happens is that Hermione is with Harry and Ron, she's called away to take her test. That's when Ron says the above statement to Harry, which lead me to believe that Harry was displaying some anxiety in regards to Hermione and how she would do on her exam, so Ron felt it necessary to remind him of how good Hermione is. Just grab your book and look at it, you'll see what I mean. Or, maybe this isn't a shipping moment to you at all. Like I state on the website, these are personal moments for me, moments that seem shippy to me. Of course not all H/Hr shippers will see the same moments as shippy that I do, and that comes from the fact that we're all different and we all interpret things differently, right?

As to No. 9 on the website, he must have seen Hermione's slightly disappointed look, otherwise it wouldn't be in the book. You would do well to remember that these books are written from Harry's POV (point of view) so we see what Harry sees. If JK writes that someone looks a certain way, or behaves a certain way, it's because that is what Harry sees. He saw she looked slightly disappointed, turned, and walked away. Therefore he was leaving her looking slightly disappointed as he walked away, and he knew it.

Glad you enjoy the site!

Caina.

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Orig title: Leaving Hermione Behind in DOM attack, Short analysis of Harry's motives
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Ok, I just skipped through OotP again and well, I came up with this mini theory:

UK version, pg 673, chapter "Fight and Flight"

"Ok then," he said, a bright idea occuring, "Ron and I will take these two and go ahead, and Hermione can stay here with you and she'll attract more Thestrals--"
"I'm not staying behind!" said Hermione furiously.
"There's no need," said Luna, smiling. "Look, here come more now...[...]"
[...]
He had no excuse now.
"All right," he said angrily, "pick one and get on, then."
(emphasis mine)

Does anyone else find it a bit weird that first Harry spends all his energy on convincing Hermione to come with him to the DoM and then he wants her to stay behind? And does anyone else find it weird that out of the obvious choices - Neville, Hermione and Ron - he chooses Ron to fight by his side? And he calls that a "bright idea"? That doesn't make any sense. Ron might be one of Harry's best friends, but this is about saving Sirius. Hermione is way more capable and Harry perfectly knows this. He saw how well she did at the DA after all and tells her that she's "beaten him in every DADA test". Again: and he chooses Ron? Me thinks someone wanted to make sure someone's safe. Now connect this to this:

UK version, pg 699, chapter "Beyond The Veil"

A whine of panic inside his head was preventing him thinking properly: he had one hand on Hermione's shoulder, which was still warm, yet did not dare look at her properly. Don't let her be dead, don't let her be dead, it's my fault if she's dead...
(bolding mine)

Makes you look at the scene in a whole new light, doesn't it? Lemme ask you something: how many times did Harry have to save Hermione from physical harm in OotP?

He pulls her to the ground; he pulls her behind a tree; he stands protectively before her without a wand and wants to kick, bite or whatever it takes to keep her from harm. Despite the fact that Harry seemed to be protecting Hermione even more than he used to, I think he was extra scared before they went to the DoM. Let's face it: in the Grawp chapter, Harry didn't know what Hagrid wanted to show them, hence he didn't see the potential danger for Hermione. With Umbridge, he wasn't able to protest because he didn't know what Hermione was up to, plus, he couldn't talk since Umbridge was there. But throughout the whole DoM thing, Harry knew how dangerous it would be. He knew the risk. And he wanted to leave Hermione behind. It was a bright idea to him. If "it's my fault if she's dead" only referrs to Harry's general guilt for taking everyone with him, then why isn't he panicked when Luna lies there unconscious? Why not show ANY concern over Ginny's broken ankle? He doesn't express any guilty thoughts there. Yet when Hermione almost dies, he freaks out completely and blames himself.

So my guess is that Harry felt partly guilty that he didn't succeed to leave her behind that one moment when they were waiting for Thestrals. It can be argued that Harry needed Hermione back there so she could attract more Thestrals, but that couldn't have been his intention because he didn't want any of them to come with him, but he wanted to leave Hermione behind specifically to keep her safe.


Just a thought.

edited to add something

Rellay good points here. I never thought about Harry feeling guilty in not succeeding in leaving Hermione behind, just thought he wasn't able to protect her well enough, therefore it being is fault. Harry was responsible for her and the lives of those four other people.

Luna explains this scene, by saying the thestrals are attracted to the blood that Harry and Hermione are covered in. Harry doesn't want to bring Ginny, Neville, and Luna. Harry tells Hermione to stay behind to attract more thestrals, because aside from him she's the only one that can.

I explained that part in my post:



And that's my point. Harry didn't want any of them with him, so why leave Hermione behind to attract more thestrals instead of bringing her along to have her help him?

Because they were arguing with him that they wanted to come and wouldn't let him leave.

His "bright idea" was to leave Hermione behind to placate the others. That way he could get to the DoM faster. The entire preceeding chapter is Harry arguing that they have to leave RIGHT NOW. There is no time to waste, Sirius's life is on the line. And then three not so great DA members want to tag along. So he says, okay, Hermione (the only one who can attract thestrals) will stay, but I'm going RIGHT NOW.

First, I wanted to say your essay is pretty good. Second, yes, he is protecting Hermione more than he used to because he starts feeling like man. I mean, men do protect women, right? It is a sign that Harry is aware of the fact that Hermione's a girl She is like a fragile object to him... *shippy, shippy*

PS.:I think we shouldn't mention Harry's actions that much in the forest when they first went to see Grawp. Good shippers are kind making fun with it (go and look at mugglenet, if you want). Honestly, I think they are not very much evidence, more reflex

While that makes sense, I don't think that Harry would let himself be stopped by Ginny or Luna, two people he told to mind their own buisness when they asked what's going on. As you said, Sirius's life is on the line. So why bother about two complaining girls? And again: if Harry's main concern is Sirius's life, then it'd make much more sense to bring along Hermione instead of Ron. Then again it's only a different interpretation. To each their own I say.

Because if Hermione went with them, he would be more worried about her getting hurt then he would be about accomplishing the mission. This did not apply to Ron, Neville or Luna, although I think he didn't want Ron's little sister to tag along and get in the way. After all that effort to talk Hermione into going, when it comes time to leave, Harry wants to leave Hermione behind. Methinks the man is in love. That is such a male reaction, it is not even funny. It overrules "sweaty palms" any day. Harry doesn't seem to realize yet why he is doing it, but he is treating Hermione through out most of OotP as a potential mate. He even wants proof of how she feels about him before he will even consider declaring himself. Typical man.

Yet when Ron always blows up whenever someone disses muggleborns (Hermione) it's shippy? If it's only reflex or instinct, why doesn't Harry protect Ginny or Luna in the DoM when the shelves are crashing down on them? Harry protecting Hermione is a continuing theme through HP and not just a bundle of coincidences.

Up until the other three want to come along Harry is fine with Hermione coming. He specifically mentions not bringing only 3 people: Neville, Luna, and Ginny. His bright idea isn't to protect Hermione, it's to leave three different people behind.

The text here isn't ambiguous.

As much as I hate to say this, and boy do I really hate to say this, I see where Allison's going here. Harry knew that thestrals are lured by blood and seeing as he was in a rush to save Sirius, he told Hermione to stay to lure more thestrals while he went ahead and did whatever he had to do.

The only thing that I find odd is this right here..

"I'm not staying behind!" said Hermione furiously.

"There's no need," said Luna, smiling. "Look, here come more now.. You two must really smell..."

<snip>

He had no excuse now..

He had no excuse for what? It actually does get you thinking.

Had Harry hoped that with him leaving Hermione behind, she will give up and wait for him in the castle? After all, Hermione had no idea where she was going. Harry was the only one that knew since he saw everything already in his dreams. So had Hermione stayed behind and attracted more thestrals, how would she had known were to go? She knew it was in the MoM, but where in the MoM? She's never been there before. And having Neville, Ginny and Luna there with here dosen't help much, huh?

And now that I think about it even more, if that was the case and Harry did want Hermione to stay to protect her, that was a pretty stupid idea of his. Let's say Hermione did stayed, he all know how she is and I would bet anything that Hermione would of found any way to get to the MoM. And had she succeeded and actually got there, who's is it to say that the Death Eaters weren't going to find her before she got to Harry and killed them all?

I'm wondering if the time Harry spent with the Pensieve, seeing his mother and father, is going to make Harry think about one thing in particular. When his mother was being ridiculed in the exact same way by Snape as Hermione has been through the years by Draco. Snape used the exact same words on his mother as Draco does on Hermione. That had to have brought something to his mind when watching it.



It seems as if Harry is starting to reach out for Hermione more than ever

I think Harry started falling for Hermione in Gof, but he still had the physical crush on Cho, which confused him, too. Then we have the beginning of OotP, and Harry is furious at his friends Ron and Hermione for being together for a month without him. Most of his anger is reserved for Hermione because she should have told him everything he wanted to know regardless of what Dumbledore made her promise. It sounds like he wants himself to be more important than any promise made to Dumbledore or anyone else. In OotP, Harry has taken to following Hermione with his eyes. If Hermione is in the same room with him, he knows where she is, and what she is doing. He may not know where Ron is or what he is doing, but Harry is watching Hermione to the point that he knows what her mood is by what is reflected in her eyes.

I keep hearing about how positive Harry’s descriptions of Ginny are, but aside from the fact that she is a female version of the Twins, namely short and stocky with red hair, we do not know much about how she really looks like. Is she covered in freckles like Ron, or does she have clear skin? What does her face look like when it is not "burning like a setting sun?" And we never hear about what she wears. Are her clothes old or new? Any favorite color? Ron told him that Ginny had a crush on him second year, but Harry has made no effort to get to know her at all, even when he is staying at Ron's house. He knows what books Hermione is reading, what her favorite subjects are; that she gets easily flustered in tense situations which was why he was worried about her one Owl Test. With Hermione, Harry notices and remembers even little things like her shoes, while with Ginny, he can't even remember the most traumatic event of her life that he was a part of when it happened. You tell me which one Harry cares about most.

Harry has a long history of sub-consciously making sure where Hermione is in the room, what she is doing and thinking about her well being.
In OOTP, during the last part of the chapter entitled Fight and Flight, Harry does a perculiar thing.
The trio of Harry-Ron-Hermione havegone on "quests" together in the earlier books. Of course only two of the trio (Harry&Hermione) actually go through the entire thing.

But back to my point. Harry is ok with going with Ron (and only Ron) to a certain death at the MOM to "rescue" Sirius. But He tries to make Hermione stay behind. Ginny, Neville and Luna, they have no reason to follow, being that the Trio are the only ones that know of Sirius' innocence (Ginny knows yes, but its only recently revealed to her). Harry's most powerful allies in his classmates has always been Ron and Hermione. Yet Harry tries (unsuccessfully) to make Hermione stay behind TWICE!!!
Again Harry is sub-consciously trying to proctect Hermione's well being.
He just hasn't realized he has done this; or his true feelings.

And when Hermione was wounded in the MOM, Harry said that it was HIS fault if she was dead. (one of my favorite points of canon for H/Hr).
She came of her own free will to help Harry, so why would it have been his fault?
Because he did not succeed in leaving her behind, safely at Hogwarts.

I agree with those who think Harry’s „no excuse” shows his reluctance to endanger Hermione by taking her to the ministry: Hermione looks the worst before the Magical Six-pack completes and his dash to safe Sirius without even listening to a rational opinion nearly killed both Hermione and him. Harry is familiar with the intention of sacrificing himself, but he seems not willing to let Hermione give her life… not even for a close friend like Sirius, especially since Hermione promised earlier to give whatever it takes to safe Sirius.

I don’t think the argument he just wanted Hermione to lure more Thestrals is really convincing- I mean, it’s just BLOOD, anyone could have easily smeared some of his or Hermione’s blood on his clothing or could’ve put on the bloodstained clothes to attract the beasts. It really makes no sense. It was my impression from the first read of this scene, that:

Firstly, he didn’t want Hermione to face the Dark Lord (akin to James, who didn’t want Lily to get in contract with Voldemort), that’s why he focussed on Ron at once, who not even produced a Patronus or something (weak, I do that on a daily basis)!

Secondly, Harry showed no interest in having someone other than Hermione and him to get stained with blood to attract Thestrals.

Harry felt guilty in the MoM, because, on the first range, he alone forced Hermione giving her promise to him to go for Sirius’ help, plus, didn’t succeed in leaving her behind, because even more Thestrals came, which made his backwords useless.

Luna’s smiles in that tense situation always gave me the feeling that she knew something about Harry’s true motives and is amused because he isn’t aware of those… that’s why she doesn’t seem to feel hurt in her pride by Harry’s rudeness like Ginny and Neville are… including Hermione, who doesn’t recognize love, even when it’s shouting in her face *sigh*. Why don’t they teach love at Hogwarts- so much to be learned here…

*put her hands up* I didn't mean this. It is not shippy. Ron reacts that kind of insults more than Harry because he has grown up in Wizarding World. Remember Harry's thoughts about giants when Ron first explained him in GOF.



If H/G shippers waht Harry to fall in love with Ginny because of her look, I pity them. Because Harry admired Cho because of her look and broke up after only one date He doesn't notice Ginny tha much, but he noticed Cho. I mean poor H/G'ers.

edit: .annie. I loved your siggy!!!!!

I agree with you one hundred percent on this one. I'm glad you mentioned how Harry started to fall for Hermione in GOF and I think it was before the first task.She went out of her way to help him and she didn't have too. Which as you pointed out,that further confused Harry because he was torn between having feelings for her and Cho. So he decided to put whatever feelings for Hermione on the back burner with everything else that was going on,including the rest of the tournament and the possibility of how she might have felt about Krum. Harry took the "This is men's work" routine a little too far in OOTP and Hermione wasn't hearing it at all.If he was going on a wild goose chase then she was coming along too-end of story,good night Irene. If you notice they really didn't get along throughought the book and then when the issue of her dying is placed in front of him,he realizes all the arguments he had with her were irrevlevant and he felt guilty if he lost her.So I think HBP is going to be a very interesting read this summer for the H/Hr fans.

The thoughts i have for Harry's motives for leaving hermione behind is this......

Hermione is becoming harry's conscience. There are a couple of instances in OOTP where Harry hides his bad marks from hermione and also whenever he is going to do something which hermione might not approve of he hears hermione's voice in the back of his head saying "RECKLESS".

Now my question is this. Was harry not trying to impress cho in Book 4 and Book 5. he clearly states it in the end of book 5.



The answer is yes. he was trying to impress her but he got over his crush at the end of book 5.

Now similarly Harry was trying to impress hermione too but he never got over her. So why do we call cho as harry's crush and not hermione. He is doing similar things towards both of them isn't he. He tries to impress them both.

wooohoooooooo I never thought of this before. But will someone be able to shed more light on above theory. This is why he tends to leave hermione behin before going to DOM becasue he cannot rsik hermione's life and he also cannot risk her knowing that harry was tricked by VOldemort.

Plus I would really like someone to explain the dream Harry had in which Hermione appeared. I have not been able to find any real meaning out of the dream but i still think JKR did not show hermione appearing in harry's dream for no reason. SO someone please start a new thread to explain it or explain it here.

Thanks
Mobeen

It has been discussed a lot. And it is really good for us. It clearly states that Harry's immature crush turns into a mature one. Chocolate cards symbolizes Quidditch score, Firebolt is Harry's heart and it is taken away... etc. etc.

As much as I would like to think Harry's motives in trying to leave Hermione behind were protective, I have to disagree here because Harry's total focus since his vision is Sirius. When Harry and Hermione leave the dark forest after fighting the centaurs, he is not appreciative of her efforts at all. In fact, he is frustrated with her. First it says,



Harry's entire reaction here is so emotional and Siriusly focused that he is very unfair to Hermione, but as we all know that seems to be Harry's pattern throughout Ootp. After all, if it weren't for her he'd still be suffering the after effects of crucio in Umbridge's office. Additionally, after rebuking Hermione, in the next sentence he turns to her for help by asking where they go from there. His asking her this shows that despite his frustration, inherently he still includes and needs her. This point is reinforced when he says,



Again, this shows that Hermione's help/participation in saving Sirius is automatically assumed by Harry. Leaving her behind to attract thestrals is just another way for her to help him get to Sirius - his only objective at this point - and relieve him of the unwanted assistance of Ginny, Neville, and Luna. His "bright idea" is exactly as Rowling describes it. It would be very bright/smart from Harry's point of view to leave Hermione behind because it enables him to leave right away and saves him from the unpleasantness involved in directly excluding anyone. After all, when they get more thestrals they can still follow him.

My point is that Harry has his own agenda here. He is not thinking about Hermione or anyone else except Sirius. What I find encouraging in all this from a shipping perspective is the fact that no matter the situation he always needs Hermione. He can't help it, even though he doesn't even realize it here. His need of her is inherent in every situation in which they find themselves. Furthermore, her "furious" response shows that she realizes, as always, how much he needs her and she is angry that he would leave her behind no matter the reason. After all, Hermione's agenda is not about action and adventure. Her focus is always on keeping Harry safe.

Personally, I never noticed this before, but I'm so glad some else did. It's so squee-worthy.

I love this ship. I read a book, don't think of it as very shippy, then come online and look at various essays and things...Heck, I can't even read OotP anymore without realizing "OMG Harry's in love!" Whereas before it was just. "Oh, Harry had a bad dream." etc. etc.

Good point. Makes perfect sense to me!

Jakia

Now that, my friends, is tension The "Oh no, I'm not gonna let my man go off and get himself killed without me" kind of tension Not the "I want to curse you to oblivion, you selfish git" kind of tension.

On topic, now. I think we're reading a bit too much into this. A 14 year old boy in this situation is not going to have the time or wherewithal to reason out the stuff we've said. I think the initial, gut response is going to be the correct one. He didn't want Luna, Neville or Ginny going, by admission. However, the next point I disagree on; I think he did want Hermione to go. I am slightly baffled as to why he'd pick Ron before Hermione, though. Perhaps he simply isn't thinking straight. He did have a lot on his plate at the moment. And, yes, I do think a little of a "protect girls" attitude and subconcious attraction to Hermione could have influenced it a bit.

And did anyone notice, it's ALWAYS Hermione in the DoM? Hermione who marks the door, Hermione who grabs his arm when it starts spinning, Hermione whose foot he steps on during the confrontation with the DEs (which implies, since they were all bunched together, that she was all but inside his robes. This follows a long precedent of JKR positioning Hermione near, or physically touching, Harry. Writers do this for a reason. Everything she has done in this manner is consistent with two people who are attracted to each other), Hermione he grabs when he starts running...

I think Harry had a "Knee-jerk" reaction to Hermione going. He wanted her to go until it was time to leave, then he wanted to leave Hermione behind, along with Neville, Ginny and Luna. Hermione was the only one he spend so much time trying to get her support that is was even a good idea to go at all. Then the clash of "you're not going...but you're not leaving me behind" was typical. Hermione wants to make sure Harry stays safe, or at least they are together if he is going to face danger, while Harry does not want to be distracted by worrying about Hermione's safety in times of danger. The problem is, will he realize what he did, or will he keep denying that Hermione is that important to him. He had to consider the idea that this time, he might not escape Voldemort, but he obviously could not just stand idly by and do nothing. When push came to shove, he did not mind bringing Ron to possible death, but he did mind bringing Hermione. The very girl he had vowed to use his teeth and finger nails if need be to protect in the forest just moments before. Harry needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

I could not have said it better myself. I'm going with the idea that Harry knows he loves Hermione subconciously, he just needs to relize it conciously. That's why he immediatly asked her to stay behind. (Typical male) To protect her.

That would also explain why he reacted the way he did after Hermione was taken out of action.

Hopefully he'll spend the time he has at the Dursley's to reflect on why he reacted that way to Hermione and only Hermione. Maybe that'll give him the kick in the pants he needs and a push in the right direction.

We can only hope.
*Crosses fingers*

*Harmony luvr*

I don't think Harry wanted to exclude Hermion. IMO, it's the contrary. chilipepperpalmer, you sum up exactly what I think about this scene. I just want to add something. In my opinion, this passage is interesting because Harry never tried to exclude Hermione from their expedition (is that the right word ? ). On the contrary, he wanted her with him. The text shows that Harry wanted Hermione with him and Ron (the first time when he caught Ron's eye and the second time when he told Ginny, Luna and Neville they were not involved). And when he said :



Hermione interrupted him but I'm sure the end of his sentence would be something like that : "and then you join us". He wanted Hermione to be with them.

On the other hand, Hermione's reaction is extremely interesting. She was furious. That's not normal from Hermione...

So, I think that Harry in fact wanted Hermione to go with them but he also wanted to move on. But Hermione's reaction is not very proportiona...l

very good theirry-theriory-whatever. i like it.