I have made this thread so all of us D/Gers can talk about serious things and have meaningful discussions. I know that the other ones are nice, but I would like to see what you all think.

This thread will not tolerate netspeak or one-liners, and you should stay on topic, no drifting. I would appreciate it if you kept up with this and told me what you know. Give some support from canon. Let me know someone doesn't actually just belong to this ship for the smut

There is to be no debating, or bashing of other ships. This is a friendly place, and we would like to keep it that way. (Note: bashing isn't saying that you don't like the ship because "___", bashing is saying that the ship is stupid etc.)

Here are some topic starters (which I will lead into myself):

Harry
What do you think of H/G and how will it affect D/G? Are there any pieces from canon that would support our ship and deflect the other?

I think H/G is possible, but won't necessarily happen. Ginny has 'gotten over' him, which gives him the chance to get to really know her, but that also means that Ginny gets to know the "ANGRY CAPS LOCK" Harry. She wouldn't necessarily get to know him, just get to know his complaining. I, personally, don't think complaining is attractive.

Also, Ginny makes him out to be so much more than he really is. He is like a phantom night in shining armor, because the person she imagines him as doesn't really exist.

If she were ever to date him, she would be trying to make something happen when it never really will. If she stays with Harry, she won't really ever honestly know what true bliss is. If she breaks off, which she most likely will because she will feel the absence and will go in search of the real feeling, she will be looking everywhere.

Some canon evidence: Harry never has noticed Ginny, but Draco has. Do you remember the Valentines day valentine? Or, the bat bogey hex. Harry just knows who she is and that she exists. Harry doesn't really care for her at the moment and seems to think that he can only have the friends that he made a long time ago. I don't think he'll ever truly accept her. Sure, he talks to her, but I talk to people I don't necessarily think that they are close to me.

Well, that's all I have for now. Maybe you can come up with something better on that topic.

~Nicole

I agree with everything Nicole. I think if Ginny had any lingering feelings for Harry (which she doesn't *stubborn*), he would just drive her away by not accepting her.


~Faith~

Yes, I agree with Stars. This is a good idea for a topic, Kaykos. I like it. I think Ginny's over Harry, but maybe there's some lingering feelings, you know? You never really forget your first crush.

For Ginny to be with Draco, something would have to happen to get them together. I dont see them passing each other in the halls and falling madly in love the way it seems Ginny fell for Harry. Draco would have a lot to prove about himself, but I see Ginny as a person who gives people second chances, maybe because I picture the Weasleys accepting Percy again after the thing with the Ministry.

~Ryoko~

I see Ginny as a second chance kind of girl, too. And I'm pretty sure the Weasleys would accept Percy back... I would be very surprised if they didn't.

You never really do forget your first crush. I know I haven't. He's actually one of my good friends now, but I hate that I liked him, and that he never liked me back. I think, I guess, because of my personal outlook, Ginny might resent the fact he never liked her back, even though it wasn't Harry's fault. So I don't think she does have 'lingering feelings', not really. But she might, I know not everyone will look at it the same.


~Faith~

O_o Please dont put what I say in quotes. It makes me feel really stupid. Like I said something really cheesy.....bleh.

But anywho, I guess you're right. Then again, as you said, everyone has a different outlook, and we've never actually met Ginny, as that would be impossible. We can only guess.

And Draco is even more guessible. (Is that a word?)

~Ryoko~

Oh, hehe. Sorry, Ryoko, 'bout the quotes thing. I think I said lingering feelings first.... *checks* yupyup, I did. So I made myself look cheesy and stupid! Two things which you definitely aren't. And I'm not sure if guessible is a word... *shrug* If it isn't, it should be!

Draco has paid more attention to Ginny than Harry, you're right Kaykos. I just remembered you mentioned that. In OotP, with the Bat Bogey Hex (I was practically running around the house like a crazy person when 'Ginny' and 'Malfoy' were in the same sentence and interacted with each other), I really wish JKR wrote out that scene... So we could see exactly why it had to be Ginny to curse Draco. Maybe there's a reason it's not written out! Muahaha. Which is kind of a stupid question, since it's in Harry's POV, and Harry wasn't there.

Seriously now. Maybe Ginny pays more attention to Draco then we think, and maybe it has to do with Tom. Which ties into the saga on the Evil!Ginny thread. Everything leads back to that, doesn't it?


~Faith~

Ok, first, highlight the face. It looks so funny!

I never understood H/G either, Ryoko.

I mean, I just really don't understand how ANY writer could pull it off anymore, this late in the series. Even JKR. He saved her life, as you mentioned, in CoS, and you'd think he would at least, you know, talk to her about it or something.

But he doesn't. After CoS Harry just goes about his life as usual, and Ginny drops from momentary big character back into the minor character/ little sister role.

[Which still irks me, by the way.]

So if, in fact, JKR was planning some D/G on the side of the series, I think that would be a lot more plausible, surprisingly.

Because it would be then, and only then that Harry would notice Ginny, and maybe even try to be the hero again by trying to "win Ginny's affection in order to save her from Draco." Oooh wouldn't that just make everyone so angry if Harry tried to pull something like that?

Yeah, and my idea wouldn't even end in H/G...

The way I see it, it would end with D/G anyway... and Harry having a big red hand print on the side of his face and a woudned ego.

Please, you all are borderline bashing H/G if not full on bashing. I said up at my first post there was going to be no bashing. If you would wish to elaborate on why you don't think it should happen, please make it a deep, thought out paragraph that is written so no one can take offence. My intention for this thread was essays

I'm glad that you all agree with me about the whole Harry and Ginny isn't all too plausible anymore, but then again it can be. I'm going to play devil's advocate:

Since Harry saved her life in the chamber, she has a wizarding debt in his name. One day she's going to have to return that favor, and it may be with her life. This may be just the attention she needs to capture his attention once again.

Harry may and he may not notice Ginny. Perhaps her dating all of the Hogwarts males around her age is just a strategy to get Harry to realize that she has grown up and that she is a girl... and a very wanted girl at that.

Her tactics may work, and draw him in; then again they may not. You may never know until the actual books come out. Do not say that it cannot be written, because it can. I have read plenty of good H/G fics.

On the other hand, all of Ginny's flirting and dating could catch the eye of another older student. Say Malfoy maybe? Yes, it could be possible. He is a little boy with hormones running ramped... no matter if you think he is evil or a git or just mean. He is still human.

You also have to take into account all the Gryffindor vs Slytherin matches there were when Ginny was seeker against Draco. I'm sure there was a lot of tension and anger between the two, always fighting for the snitch.

Say Ginny knew that Lucius purposely gave her the diary, how would she feel? Would it make D/G less possible since she knew Draco's father was after her life? Would she linger on the thoughts or just toss them out the window?

~Nicole

Diary Quesiton

I think it will play a big role, mainly because Ginny will have to face the whole ordeal sooner or later anyway. I can even see her analyzing it over the years, trying to figure out why Lucius would go and do that to her. It must be a horrible thing, living through an atempted homicide. Wouldn't you wonder why it was you too?

If/when she and Draco got together as a couple I can see her asking him why his father chose her, if there was someone telling him to or if he just did it out of pure hatred. I think that may actually be a driving force in her getting together with him.

She wouldn't just date him for no reason out of the blue... she'd need a reason to get close to him because it wouldn't be the easiest or best of jobs. Really now, who would want to get close to Draco (besides Pansy)? I don't think anyone would really want to deal with someone else's angsty life, let alone help then through it and kiss them all better.

Ginny has shown a strength in OotP that makes me think she might be able to handle him and try to help him, though he would just push her away. She would be persistant (since she has shown persistance in trying to find someone to replace Harry in her heart).

She has been wounded in more ways than one and they may hold her back. Just for a while in trying to persue him so she can get the answers to her questions, but her Gryffindor bravery and wonder would kick in and make her get a move on. Ginny should not be taken lightly. We may not see the cogs twisting in her head, but we all know they're there.

~Nicole