I want to ask you all a question, is Harry a Half blood or a pure blood? I think he's a pure blood because both his mom and dad were magical but I asked my best friend this and she said Harry was a Halfblood because Lily Potter was a muggle born. But so what if she's a muggle born? That still doesn't change the fact that they (harry's parents) were both magical.

I think to be pure-blood both sides of your family have to be magical, not just your parents. At least that's the impression I got when I read the books. I could be wrong..

I think that he is a pure-blood because both his mother and his father are magical, which gives him pure magical blood. Besides, I would think that Draco would have made fun of him for being a 'half-blood' by now if he was indeed one. But I could be wrong...

~Gaia~

He is halfblodd if you see it strictly speaking. First are Purebloods were can count her familymembers till three or four ganerations back as pure. Than halfebloods were are both are magical but one of them are a mudeblood. The next is 2. Halfblood were one is magic the other not. The last is mudblood both parents are muggle, not magic.

So voldie will start to hunt mudebloods and 2.halfbloods.

This is it.

I dunno. Think of Seamus - "I'm a halfblood. Me dad's a muggle, and me mum's a witch. Bit of a nasty shock for him when he found out." No, not exact wording because I'm far to lazy to REACH and get Sorcerer's Stone off the shelf.

But anyway. Obviously, a "halfblood" is one who has one magical parent and one muggle parent. Following this, wouldn't a pureblood be one whose parents are both magical? There's no middle way.

Just my two sickles. *yawn*

~Nell

Yeah, I see what your saying phoenixwriter and Me111 but Harry had to be a pure blood, because in the 2nd book everyone thought he was the Slytherin's heir and I don't think people would have thought that if he was a half blood.

I agree about some people automatically(sp) assuming the heir of Slytherin would be pure-blood. But Riddle was actually Slytherin's heir, and wasn't he half-blood?

Ooh, good point! His father (Riddle) was a muggle! Makes you think...
~Batgirl

Harry as half-blood? then you-know-who would be...like... 3/4 blood! disgraceful.......

I really don't know... I read at some places that Harry is a pure-blood but I also read that he was a half-blood.

I always thought Harry was a half blood, since his Mum came from a muggle family. That would imply that Lily was of all-muggle parentage, meaning Harry is a half-blood. I don't think that being magical makes you a pure-blood, after all, you're still muggle, right? After all, there are pure bloods who can't do magic, they're still pure bloods.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Aya

I try to make it clearly what i want to write. Now first a pureblood is someone who can find in his familytree till his grandgrandparents only magicpeople. Why do i say this? Because in COS they say, better Ron say it, that Malfoys family is since generations pure.

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They could´ve had the key to the COS for centuries!"

They can go more back as to his grandgrandparents. Its say that Voldemort and Harry are very similar in family things, too. And we know that Voldemort is a halfblood. If they say he is a halfblood than Harry is a halfblood,too. But there is a differenc between this two.
That why i say there a two categorys of halfbloods. The first one is near of a pureblood but isn´t a pureblood. Its the mudeblood problem.
Look if a mudeblood marry a pureblood wizard do you think this don´t make a pureblood lower?! It makes lower.

Now my list:
pureblood = Malfoy, Weasley.

halfblood (parents: Pure+mudeblood) = Harry Potter

halfblood (Parents: magic+notmagic) = ?

mudeblood (Parents: not+notmagic) = Hermione Granger

I don´t know if there is a 3. category of halfblood. I mean it could be pure+notmagic or mudeblood+notmagic.
A racist would make a differenc. I think that a mudeblood is lower as a squib, though its magic against nomagic. If a racist in this magicworld make differents than its like this on his hate list.

1. mudeblood, squib
2. halfblood like Riddle
3. halfblood like Harry

I think we will more know after OotP. Its very likely that there will more and clearer than in COS a answer in things like blood.

Yes, okay but then what do you call someone that has one mudblod parent and one muggle parent? Mudbloood?

Exactly, mooncancer. While it's probably complicated, I prefer to view it simply:

Muggle: non-magical person from non-magical family

Squib: non-magical person with at least both parents magical

Halfblood: magical person with one muggle parent, one magical parent

Pureblood: magical person with both parents magical

Pheonixwriter, I'm probably wrong, but where are you getting this stuff on the generations?

Ah well, I'm probably wrong. I'll just go back and sit in the corner, okies?

~Nell

steel lily, the thing about your definition of Halfbloods is that Harry Potter has been called a Halfblood, like Voldemort; however, we know that both Harry's parents are magical. By your definition then, Harry must be Pureblood, not Halfblood as they say in the books.

Therefore, there has to be another definition for Halfblood. Since we know that James is Pureblood and Lily is a Mudblood, the generational argument does makes sense.

Em, yuan... I don't really remember the books saying harry was a halfblood. I don't think they did but it has been a while since I've read the book so maybe I'm wrong...

Guys I'm always thought that a muggleborn was higher than a muggle or a squid because a muggleborn could do magic and the other two can't but I could be wrong. So what would you call a person that had a squid and a muggle for a parent? Would you call the person a mudblood? or a halfblood?

QUOTE (mooncancer @ May 4 2003, 02:37 PM)

Em, yuan... I don't really remember the books saying harry was a halfblood. I don't think they did but it has been a while since I've read the book so maybe I'm wrong...

It's in CoS, Ch17 as Tom Riddle says to Harry:

"There are strange likenesses between us, after all. Even you must have noticed. Both half-bloods .."

Of course, he could be lying, but I see no reason for it. Either that or I really made a blunder.

THis may help...it's from Mugglenet:

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When Tom Riddle was talking to Harry in the Chamber of Secrets he said that they were similar because they were both half-bloods. But Harry isn't a half-blood. Lily and James were both wizards and witches. (Many people say that because Lily was muggle born that makes Harry a half-blood, but that is not true. If both parents are witches and wizards you are a pure-blood. Half-blood means ONE parent is a witch/wizard and the other is a muggle.)

That's what they had to say on the subject...cheers!
~Batgirl

I should say mugglenet write much if the day is long. IMO we have to look at the books and there is say that Harry is a halfblood. Its true Riddel say this but this don´t say its wrong. You know evil people are more evil if they say really things who are true. Mugglenet write too that only Ron with Hermione get together and they quote JKR. Yeah she has say Harry and Hermione are very platonic. Very is a nice word for discribe something. They don´t say that this quote is only for GoF. In this view its fit perfectly because Harry say it self a doucen times in this book. Do you think JKR would be that stupid to say things won´t ever happen?
How JKR in COS-interview say the mudblood question will play a bigger part in furter books. If this were so simple that you need only parents who both wizards there weren´t so much stuff. I don´t think JKR will only write about Hermiones handling with this problem. Nope she will write how Harrys parents had deal with it. If a pureblood wizards go out with a mudblood in a time of war and hate (I mean this is what James and Lily have to deal) he make himself lower.
Something more I have to say is that JKR has sometimes Voldemort comparet with Hitler. So if she thinks they are comparet than she may think that Voldemort make a different between parents who are really pure wizards or one side a mudblood

MOD NOTE: I have split a thread that dealt with two related but different subjects and have moved the non shippy part of the thread - about James and Harry Potter's bloodline - here, in the General HP Discussion Forum. The shippy part of this thread remains in the PA forum.
--thereader


I'm sorry to say this but 'Technically' Harry is 'full blooded'. Both parents are magical. Lily would be a 'mudblood' as far as we know, James a 'pure blood'.
Voldy is a 'half blood'; his father wasn't magical.
Hermione is a 'mudblood' neither parent is magical.
Ron, Malfoy, etc are 'pure blood', they come from long lines of magical families.

Sorry for the off topic add but I just wanted to point this out.

As to what the movies show that is up to Chris Columbus and HIS take on what HE thinks is going to happen in the coming stories. Can't fault the movie's because they are what they are; a condensed version of the original work.

Anyway, great topic here and very good points being brought up. Good job!!

I'm Nobody

We could just as easily ruin their R/H moment by simply stating that Harry did not know what the meaning of the word "mudblood' was - you think that he wouldn't have dealt with Malfoy - he did do it twice in GOF when Malfoy used the word, "Mudblood"!

I think it's we should say James is pureblooded. One, there is a huge fuss of Lily being a MUGGLEBORN, but no mention of James being otherwise. Also, Sirius is pureblooded, so he might have James as a muggleborn friend, but chances aren't likely. Two, JKR states that Harry is half-blood. The reasons we can assume it that since Lily is MUGGLEBORN, she looked down upon. Racist purebloods won't recognize Lily as a witch in some points I'd bet. Still, the worst we can call Harry is 3/4 blood really.


NOT THAT ANY OF THIS MATTERS!!!! WHO CARES WHO'S BLOOD IS WHAT!!!
I think that's one of the things JKR is trying to point out with Lily and Hermione being muggleborn. And, the Weaslys being Harry's friends with their muggle fetish.

Geez calm down folks.

Yes thereader I know what it says in canon but still IN MY EYES Harry is **Technically** a full blooded wizard since both parents are magical. I'd argue this point with JKR herself in that her 'wording' is wrong in this case.

Don't start the attacks I'm just pointing out how I see it.

*I* look at it that if you have 2 magical parents then your a full blooded wizard no matter the blood line of either parent stretching beyond them in the past. I'm not looking at it in an racial POV, I'm sure Lily was looked down upon by a certain segment of the magical world, just as I'm sure Harry is in fact seen as a half blood, but still, both of his parents are in fact magical.

MY outlook on the blood things

Full blood -both parents being magical.
Half blood- One parent not magical
Mudblood - Neither parent magical
Pure blood - magical family stretching back many many generations

Again no need to argue the point, we have the canon facts and we can leave it at that being the way it is.

KaiserDragon, thats a better way of looking at it 3/4 blood and it doesnt matter what the quality of his/her blood it's their actions that count. It's in how they lived (and died) that make them who they are.

From now on I'll point out that something is my opinion, no need to get stressed over something like this folks, this is supposed to be fun, nothing is meant personal.

I'm Nobody

Exactly the point I wanted to make.

Actually, I believe that's one of the things that makes Hermione's character so important. Ron is the normal one, but Harry and Hermione have something exceptional to add. In regards to your post at "I feel Sorry For JKR Because..." E.R.C., I agree. Harry and Hermione are equals.

yeh...I agree with (KaiserDragon). Harry and Hermione are equal because they both Muggle..even though Harry is Pureblood to.

I want to add..I thought Pureblood also is for Wizard who is rich. I mean..look at Harry..he is rich..he got his fortune from his parent. I don't know why?..his parent are rich. Anyone know?...

There is an interview out where JKR herself said that Harry is a halfblood. So even Harry has two magical parents this don't say he is pure.
Just let look at some possibles there is:
pure+pure= pure
pure+mudblood=halfblood
pure+squib= halfblood
pure+muggle=halfblood
mudblood+muggle= halfblood?
mudblood+squib= ????halfblood

Its not really clear but its clear that a wizard son of a mudblood is lower as a wizard son of a pureblood. Like this list I made.

Harry and Hermione have indeed the same bachground and thats why they understand each other better as Ron could. Its simple both discover this new world in an age of eleven. Ron was born in this world. He simply can't understand Hermione understand complett even if he tried.

@ Nobody:

thereader, No I didn't make it clear that it was my opinion I'll be sure to do that from now on. I know some people take these things more personal than others and I really should take that into consideration in how I word things. Like I said this is supposed to be fun not being hurtful or rude or anything like that.

And since we are sorta on the same type of question... do any of you see the purity issue ever becoming a big deal with some of the other families, say the Weasleys or Longbottoms or the like? Because, like Kaiser, E.C.R, thereader and others pointed out it seems to be a problem with a lot of the magical world (and JKR points out very plainly in the books). By this I mean could some event cause the other 'tolerent' families to look down upon a none pure blood person in an openly hostile manor?

This has been a question thats sorta hung around the back of my mind for awhile. Hope this isnt too off topic, if so I'll edit and re-post as a topic heading.

I'm Nobody

Harry Halfblood:
Can I make an observation -- ? I will. This is canon.

Book 5: Chapter 35 : Beyond the Veil

' Shut your mouth!' Bellatrix shrieked. 'You dare speak his name
with your unworthy lips, you dare to besmirch it with your half-
blood's tongue, you dare -'


This is the close as we have gotten confirmation from JKR that Harry is halfblood. It seems to me that EVERY one knew abour Harry's tainted past. While you can argue that Bellatrix is ill informed, that would be pushing it because only a little bit later, Harry tells Bellatrix that Volde is a halfblood too.

There is a theory that if you are 1/8th somethign then you are automatically tainted. This was the formulae that Hitler used in deciding who was a Jew and who wasn't. And there have been many comparisons that has been drawn between the characters of Voldemort and Hitler to be ignored outright.


NAPPA

Umm,
I want to raise a painful subject here. That's the terminology of "mudblood." It's been bandied about a little too freely in the fandom and I doubt that most people that do so understand it's Real Life meaning. As in, this is not a term that JK Rowling coined.

"Mudblood" is used by white supremacists to describe those that are not racially pure Aryans. Here is a link to a site called Religious Tolerance that describes the "Christian Identity" movement which is the religious belief system of many of the Far Racist Right.

Don't worry about clicking on that link, I wouldn't send people to sites that are run by those hate mongers. I just thought that it might be beneficial for any discussion of racism in the Wizarding World to be grounded in the reality of the terms used.

Athena

OK, rant mode: Guys! Stop referring to muggle-borns as "MUDBLOODS!" I go through all these posts and it looks like I'm the only one here who refers to muggle-borns as "muggle-borns" and it's just irking me. "Mudblood" is a highly offensive term and while it is a made up word (though Athena seems to think otherwise) it's still a highly vulgar swear term and shouldn't be used in discussions about blood relations! If I see any mention of the word "mudblood" that's not in a quote or in the context of dark wizard usage, I'll edit the post and change it into "muggle-born"!

Eric (who thinks this thread is really becoming

Hey! I was the one to use muggleborn in this thread! I even capitalized it! I thought people would get the hint, but oh well... Your way is much better.

Ahh you should probably lay the blame for the mudblood instead of muggle-born at my feet, I sorta started the whole thing on this tangent when I made that first post.

I'm Nobody

I thought harry was a mudblood but i did know that his mother wasn't magical but i didn't know as much as u did email me sometime plz i need friends i am new what do i do i joined because of my BEST FRIEND

Duh.




(Well put, by the way, Eric. That term is so widely abused I really think drastic measures have become necessary. Can't the admins add a rule to the forum guidelines about this?)

hey Trisha / simons_flower, welcome to the Portkey forums! But what are you doing posting here, when you should be finishing Unexpected? J/k

Er, to go back on-topic. Those were interesting and educational (& sadly, historical) facts all of you guys raised re racial prejudices and general bigotry.

I got nothing more sensible to say, so I'm going now ...

See ya around!

On the subject of the family tree, I don't Sirius not mentioning the Potters means anything. The Crouch's, the Longbottom's, the Bone's (I'm assuming this becuase her aunt is on the Wizengot), the Goyle's, or the Crabbe's. For all we know the families may be enterelated into seperate branches or whatnot.

im sure a lot of families werent mentioned on the family tree..how boring would that be just to list off all the pureblood families of Britian..for all we know the Potters might not even be British, though highly unlikely.
Lily has definetly been defined as a muggleborn, but no reference has every been made to James or his lineage so we must assume he is at least half-blooded or pureblooded[sorry if this point has already been made]
also, something no one has discussed yet, this maybe kind of off seeming how most of this has to do with 'is Harry halfblooded..yaya yada'
but do yall think that perhaps Harry could be very distantly a descendant of gryffindor..it would be almost like another unlining plot..
slytherin vs. gryffindor[house rivalry, plus vodemort/tom is slytherins last remaining heir and it is possible that harry is gryffindor's last remaining heir.,.it would be like the final showdown]
there is a lot of emphasis on bloodlines in these books and not just for prejedice wizards either..it just seems odd that JKR would make a huge big deal over bloodlines if hermione is the only one that the whole thing would vconcern[as it has been so far, if im recalling right]

anyways if you think im completely insane or off topic*gasp* feel free to hurt me but please dont break any bones..i might need them for dance class tomorrow..

sorry i meant that the only person that malfoy, seeming how he is the supposed evil one in this school thing, makes a big deal of..he never calls ron 'unworthy' and never calls harry' half-blood'..though he insults ron's money and status alot he rarely metnions bloodlines with them he only insults hermione..sorry if that was unclear.

i agree with them *points above* i mean, we seem to know an unusual anount of information on lily's side of the family, but none whatsoever on james, which is really depressing cause he seems more mysterious. but in any case, sirius seems to be the type of person who who make friends with james no matter what blood he was, kinda the way how ron made friends with harry. and besides, it's not like the strongest friendships consist of what blood you are.