What do L/J shippers call themselves? If there is no name, shouldn't somebody come up with one?


MOD NOTE: Moving this from "L/J Shipping" Forum to "Prof Binn's Library" ~gal-texter 19Nov2003

I wonder about that too.... Please someone answer this!!

It's called the 'HMS Thorn and Buck'. Just visit the SCUSA Forums on FictionAlley.

Eric

How did "HMS Thorn and Buck" come about?

Prong was a stag, which is also referred to as a buck, and Lily, I suppose, must be thorn.

Hmm, I'm curious about that, myself. I posted this question on FAP, and got a similar response:

The James thing is dead on...as a stag is also a buck which is a male dear. With Lily...perhaps they're going with the whole flower thing. Lilies true do not have thorns...but roses do. The rose is also one of the most romantic flowers around...preferably the red rose which is for passion. Note how Lily's hair is red...so therefore Thorn and Buck.

but if the ship is called "HMS Thorn and Buck", what are the shippers called? It would be so easier for all shippers to be called one nick name, you know? Its so much easier to say, "Hey, i'm a (insert unknown name for shippers), too!" Than, "Oh I am on the HMS Thorn and Buck."

But thats just me, and shippers may have a name for themselves, I really wouldn't know... because they COULD be the ships themselves...

Yeah, so back to the topic... maybe Lily's is being referred to as a thorn in James's side? You could say she was when she was so set on NOT liking him...

Maybe they could call themselves "Buckthornians" or something. haha, yeah it would be weird, but then J/L don't reall need to call themselves anything since pretty much everyone's on that ship. It's the only one that we know for sure, along with Mr/Mrs Weasley.

They could be "Buckaneers"


Is that a real word? I think it is. Isn't there a football team named that?

That just popped into my head when I heard "Buckthornians"

Anyway, yea it's strange when people ship L/J with other people.

And you know what else I noticed, most people write it L/J, but some people type J/L. Thats strange.... I wonder if that has anything to do with the human psyche.

Sorry, it's 1:30 in the morning and I really shouldn't be on PK right now....

I have decided to be a Lily/James shipper because I don't agree with any other ones. Excuse me, but we call ourselves the HMS Thorn and Buck? You can't be serious. You guys REALLY need to come up with a new name. Or I may be jumping ship.
* Lyra *

Maybe the fans were viewing Lily and James' relationship metaphorically; Lily like a thorn (they did have a love/hate relationship, after all), since her name's connated with a flower and all that . . . and also because of James' Animagus form, which is a stag. A buck is an adult male of some animals, such as deer, antelope, rabbits, etc. It can also be a high-spirited young man, which James definitely was.

Ack. Maybe I just read too much into this v.v.

I agree with Scarstic Dragonite . I think that it is metaphorical. I mean as has been said James is a stag and they can be called bucks, and that they had a love hate relationship tthat could be the thorn.

However thorn could also represent voldemort. I mean he was like a thorn in there relationship, and James the buck because he's a stag anigimus. (Yeah might not work but hey).

Gemma

About Lily being the 'thorn' part...

When I think of the word thorn I think of Ecuadorian Red Roses. When I think of this rose I think of the possible traits or representations it could hold, such as…love and pain (because you can’t have one without the other)…passion and lust (some people would and could place lust into the ‘good’ slot, but after all it is one of the seven deadly sins, if you think about in depth though you could probably apply the seven heavenly virtues to this theory, excluding lust)…and another one is happiness and anger/hatred (happiness because of the love and anger because of the vivid color of the flower aka when you get angry you see ‘red’). The petals of the red rose present “unquestioned beauty and innocence”, isn’t proven that ‘evil’ people are drawn to that innocence, hint, hint, and the thorns present danger, pain/loss, and experience.

It also could be her fiery nature. I mean being a red head and all, but aside from that, perhaps it could also be more in depth and symbolic as I suggested above, maybe evidence of James and Lilys’ fate. The thorn, which is on a rose, can, with the slightest nudge against the sharp point, break the skin at the tip of the finger so that a drop of blood falls to the floor (or usually on a white sheet). You're probably thinking 'what the hell is she talking about?' Right? I see symbolism just from that sentence. Well anyway, what I'm getting at is that HMS Thorn and Buck could be foreshadowing both Lily and James' life/destiny, whatever. I mean of course we already know what happens, but if you think about it, and if what I'm thinking could hold an inkling of truth, it's a bittersweet story tale.

I think it's really fitting for them actually. When I think of thorn, I think of a rose, and when I think of roses and thorns I think of one drop of blood, which can correspond with a tragic death…you think? *Raises an eyebrow in question* the red petals of the rose represent love between lovers that were meant to have a star-crossed relationship and this is where the thorn (which could possibly be Voldemort) comes in. I think of the expression ‘…a thorn in my side’, it’s used metaphorically, but it could be applied as physical.) The image of the blood plummeting to the ground is kind of like the defeat of Lily and James...well, I don't know if I should really use 'defeat'. I mean just because they were killed doesn't mean they lost in the end, right? *Shrugs* I don’t know.

A good example for L/J’s, I guess it could be called ‘down fall’ [it kind of has the same ring as defeat though…Golly, I’m making it sound like they failed do to something] along with my idea of what the ‘thorn’ in HMS Thorn and Buck stands for, is in the movie Selena, whom is played by Jennifer Lopez (J.Lo). Towards the beginning of the end of the movie Selena (J.Lo) was singing a song, I’m not sure, but I think it was the last song that Selena had ever recorded and produced (is that vice-versa?) before she died, which was called ‘Dreaming of You’.

Before I go on I’m going to apologize ahead of time for using this movie as an example because the main idea of the movie happened (I don’t know if it happened exactly like it did in the movie), it’s going out mostly to the people who were loyal fans of a very talented Spanish singer.

~~~Contains spoilers…so if you aren’t familiar with the movie, might be interested in seeing it and don’t like spoiled endings…don’t read below! ~~~

Anyhow, while she was singing the song, she suddenly stops, near the middle, or maybe even towards the closing of the song. It happened as if she was having a conversation with someone, got distracted and stopped in mid sentence. The microphone she had in her hand dropped and it fell, in slow motion, to the stage floor making an echoing screech as it collided. The next thing we know she’s being carted off in an ambulance because one of her ‘friends’ shot her. It was the slow motion of the microphone crashing to the floor and the over echoed boom that followed that told us before hand that something bad was inevitable to happen. That’s kind of where the idea of the thorn and the drop of blood came from. The smaller it is the more significant it can be. It’s the small things that lead up to an event that have more of an impact anyhow.

The harshness of that drop of blood could be like a scream in the face, or a very sudden tragic happening…James and Lilys’ death.

So the thorn part, one could possibly go to the immediate indication of a rose, the blood from redness of the petals, or from the thorn being a vicious part of a beauty that’s able to draw that drop out. On a side note the whole idea of the rose, like outside of this deep intricate digging beneath the surface that I’m doing, that beauty, innocence, passion, and love represents Lily (Don’t you think?), but it’s broken down to the thorn which is attached to the flower because sometimes people can’t see past the beauty. That just follows with what I said before about not being able to have love without pain.

The 'and' part could refer to the union between them. Anyone notice that roses can be so deep a red (some roses are just flat out red, bright and shockingly so, but then there are some that a deep crimson. [?]) Anyhow, just for some reason I associate that color with a tainted love, almost like a foretoken that something awful is either about to happen or had already happened if that makes sense.

The thorn could be just a simple yet complex representation of their ill fated down fall and the red rose (Lily) is thought of because the mention of the thorn. After I’ve repeated myself how many times? Okay then…A better way this could be put is the red of the rose is light, but holds the suggestion of being contaminated with the thorn aka evil, because it’s attached to the flower (like a past or something…the past always comes back to haunt you…*shrugs* maybe).

Obviously roses aren’t only one color, but because of the distinguishing agony and passion that can be considered characteristics of a thorn and the color red [is that a bit of personification? It fits loosely with the definition. Agony and passion are considered emotions, but then don’t you have to have a soul to be able to have emotional traits? I was just wondering…] I immediately do the equation and equal it together for the answer—thorn (or ‘x’) + rose= red, subtract the rose, bring it over to the other side of the red and you’ve found what x is (I don’t know if I did that right. I hate any form of math or chemistry. I mean I hear the word ‘quadratic equation’ and I practically have a coronary, of course not to the extreme, so if I didn’t do it right I apologize, but I’m sure you guys get the main idea). It holds an aura about it that started possibly because of Sleeping Beauty pricking her finger on the spinning wheel. The sanguinity [blood red color] of the petals of the flower is the dominant gene, so Lily is the second main part of the HMS T & B. It just simply branches off to show that ‘love’ can’t only innocent and beautiful, it can also be vicious and harsh, but not because of each other, because heartless people won’t let the ‘love’ bloom fully.

I’m so sure I repeated myself so many times, but besides that if anyone understood what I was saying then that’s good. It's very symbolic if there could be a chance that my theory holds some truth with it.

Now I don't know if this was mentioned in any of the previous response (probably not as much rambling as I did), I'm not big on reading word for word...so if it was sorry for repeating it. If not and someone had already informed the thread of what the real meaning of it was then, again sorry for wasting space. All the same it’s just a really in depth thought. ~Aya


“Unquestioned beauty and innocence” ~quoted from an article by Ross Wehner

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What is the ships name and everything?, like there is Harmony or Redmoon. like with harmony is hary/hermione. the color of it is orange and the item we use is pumpkin pie. What is all that for Lily/James? Thanks in advance!

alex

I always thought it was like a combination of James the Buck, and Lily was like bucking from side to side, trying to remove the thorn in her life that is James. And then I realized that they came up with the name pre-love/hate OotP!L/J.