Other ships in story?

hey i have a question about the rules of shipping. if your shipping h/hr and you mention R/L (as in that they're a couple) is that ok?
oh and is it ok to do song fics?




EDIT: thanks Nousia, yeah i was talking about ron/luna.

Hi Skyé of Nyx! Welcome to Portkey!

In response to your first question, it's okay if you mention Ron/Luna (that's the R/L you're referring to, right?).

And in response to your second question, it's fine if you do songfics. They're accepted at Portkey. Just as long as you have story and not just lyrics.

Hope that helps.

- Nitya

Nousia's right. One more note though: if by "R/L" you meant "Ron/Lavender", that's allowed as a sideship. Sideships do not need to be confined to Draco/Ginny or Ron/Luna. Here's the rule about ships in Portkey's hosted stories.

My story has Harry falling for someone other than Hermione. They get get together at the end of the story. Is that okay?

(MODS' NOTE: Also applies to other characters in Portkey's ships)


The fic starts with H/Hr... but can Harry be with another girl/woman in the middle of the story, and then get back to Hermione again? Or does he have to stick with Hermione all along?
I'm just asking, because I really want my story to fit in here! *love H/Hr*
(link)

Sincerely,
quizgirl

I'm pretty sure that that's absolutely fine. As long as Harry and Hermione are romantically involved by the end of story, you're not breaking any rules.

~Nelli.

It's fine, as long as the pairing ends H/H and there are no graphic [love] scenes of H/OFC.

Scrivenshaft
Portkey.org Fanfic Moderating Team


ADDING THIS:
H/OFC = the "anti-PK" ship. I guess OFC means "orig fictional character".

Plus the story should have far more H/H moments than the "anti-PK" ship.

-gal-texter May2008

NAPPA's answer applies to this question:
Can I submit a story that only has R/LL or D/G or L/J, but no H/H?
-gal-texter


I have a question about the submission criterias. I read them very carefully and understood that Harry/Hermione cannot be broken or contradicted. I have a Ron/Luna fic which I'd like to submit to the site, but the story doesn't have any other ship except R/L. Is that acceptable? While my story certainly doesn't contradict H/Hr, they are not together nonetheless.

Don't get me wrong, I am a H/Hr shipper, but I grew tired from people blaming us that all R/L fics have H/Hr in them, which made me write a fic in which R/L is the only ship.

To sum it up - will I be allowed to submit a fic in which R/L is the only ship? Thanks in advance!

Adelina : yes, that is allowed.

MOD NOTE: merging this into a related thread.
~gal-texter / Pen May2008

Hi there,
I liked to know whether this rule:



still counts if in a FanFic Tonks is transformed to Hermione and has sex with Ron?
How graphical can a kiss be between those two? After that rule I did expect in a Fanfic I can't write how they make out nor how passionate they kiss or even describe a French-kiss through and through. Am I wrong with this thinking? It would be nice to know.

Thank's in advance.

~PhoenixWriter

Geepers! I didn't notice this question before.

While on the surface it may seem alright, it's not. Not if

1) we don't know from the beginning that it's Tonks
2) It has to be a mild in nature. IE : Ron and Tonks!Hermione kiss, and the scene ends. Nothing explicit.

The NC17 rating on the site is reserved for H/Hr, R/L, L/J and D/G. Any other R or NC17 rating between other people can be hinted at, but not shown. We do make exceptions to that for characters that aren't that major. I recall a wonderful work of H/Hr, that had a few chapters dedicated to Sirius/Original Female Character. And features one such scene.

It's generally more flexible if the people involved aren't PK ship people.

NAPPA

MOD NOTE: merging this into a related thread.
~gal-texter / Pen May2008

Fic series - H/H get together in sequel but not in first fic



I'm a bit confused about the rules. I know that the the ones with an * can't be broken, but must the fic end with the pairing or can we leave it open until the sequel. I have two fics I want to post but my first one doesn't end as H/Hr, but I don't want the romance to get serious until the sequel. I just need clairification on the rules before I start posting.

At Portkey were in the past posted stories which didn't end H/Hr, yet it was clear there are hints and clues that H/Hr are more than platonic so readers know later in a sequel they'll be together.

I mean here are stories posted where either Harry or Hermione die too. So, don't worry, if something is wrong a Mod will contact you.

Just wanted to confirm what PhoenixWriter said. We do allow fics like the one you mentioned to be posted.

NAPPA

MOD NOTE: merging this into a related thread.
~gal-texter / Pen May2008

D/G fic with a little H/G


About the ships:

I'll give you the gist of it. Ginny espaces from the clutches of Voldemort and has to change her identity. I only mention a few times that she was with Harry before it happened. The actual ship is Draco/Ginny. Is it fine to have a little mention of that part with Harry and Ginny, or no? If it's not, then I can change it before submitting, but I just want to make sure.

I take it that H/G won't be the final pairing, correct? If that's the case, then there shouldn't be any problem with you posting it. And hey, if you...oh...mentioned that Harry had moved on with Hermione, that would definitely make it an allowed fic. The shipping rule in fics clearly states that H/Hr and L/J cannot be broken...that is to say, fics cannot end with pairings that suggest otherwise for the four characters. Does that answer your question?

Jennifer

Yes it does, thank you.

MOD NOTE: merging this into a related thread.
~gal-texter / Pen May2008

Can you post a H/Hr/G story here?

I know that Portkey is primarly h/hr... But can you post a h/hr/g story there as well? I have been search for an answer for this for 2 days with no luck.

While we understand that the Portkey rules are in some need of updating and clarification of some of the more common questions, if you stay in line with the spirit of those rules, you're almost assuredly not going to have any problems.

As for H/Hr/G? I don't know whether your mean a love triangle or some kind of threesome, but anything that isn't H/Hr (just think about it for a second) has restrictions on it. You could have it, but it must not be graphic or emphasized and it must dissolve into H/Hr by the story's end. Ultimately, Portkey's opinion of the story rests in the hands of the Ficmod team.

Hope that answers your question,
~Jonathan

Clarify rules that "Portkey fanfic must end with its main ship being together"
and that "Harry/Hermione or Lily/James must not be broken"


Excuse me, but I've seen a lot of confusion over the "Harry/Hermione must end up together" rule. But ending up together, what exactly do you mean? Taking this rule as many others have taken it, that would imply that it is unacceptable to write any fic that takes place in the canon timeline, as Harry and Hermione would not end up together at the end, even if it's a one-shot that demonstrates their love for each other. And does this mean that we're not allowed to write a story that takes place between the end of DH and the epilogue, for the same reasons, even if it's clearly Harry/Hermione? I'm sorry, but it seems like the events in canon since that rule was posted make clarification necessary.

Thanks,
Bowles

The rules state,

The fanfiction must end with the category it has been entered into romantically involved together. Our moderators will not approve your application and will delete any fanfiction uploaded if the portion of it completed so far does not suggest one of these pairings will end up together. All pairings (excluding pairings that we forbid) are welcome in your fanfiction, but the fanfiction must contain a reasonable portion of the category you involved in within the ship. Should one of the characters or both of the characters be killed off during or at the end of the fanfiction, we can accept that. It makes good angst. However, the story cannot focus around the theme of one or the other moving on.

You would not believe the amount of people who apply to Portkey with stories without the correct pairings in them, stories that end with Harry and Ginny being together etc. All this rule means is that your story has to end in the category you enter it in. So if it`s H/Hr then it must end with H/Hr being romantically involved together.

People come to Portkey to read the ship they like and expect a story to end in the ship they want. Don`t get me wrong though as I`m not saying that every story should have a happy, fluffy ending, that`s not realistic and lets face it in the real world everything isn`t always happy and cheerful. However the story must end with for example H/Hr getting together/being together or being involved romantically with each other in some way that leaves the reader in no doubt that they love each other. It is against our rules to leave the story where the pairing goes against our rules, for example ending a H/Hr story with H/G still being together. There are exceptions to this rule however, such as stories that are going to have a sequel, but those type of stories really need to be run past a mod first and they must not imply for example, that Harry is moving on from Hermione to Ginny or that Harry and Hermione don`t love each other.

Hope this helps a little.

Exactly.



Or some who submit a story that mentions H/H being married all throughout, but the plot's about how they both agreed for Ginny to have a one-night stand with Harry. Or course, that was rejected outright.

Okay. So, I've got a one-shot up right now that's set between GoF and several years before the epilogue that explores the romantic feelings between Harry and Hermione. Since it follows canon, both Harry and Hermione are married to others - Ginny and Ron - but the fic is about how Harry and Hermione are in love with each other and not happy with the choices they've made. Though they don't divorce their spouses and get married in the end, they still love each other. Is this against the rules? By romantically involved, do you mean physically or emotionally? (Although there is a kiss.) It's more of a Romeo/Juliet (cliche, I know) thing than anything. Romeo and Juliet die, but I'd still say the main ship of that story is Romeo/Juliet, haha.

Thanks for the info, just need to know if the story should be taken down.

EDIT: If it's necessary for a mod to check it, then here's the link: link (PG).

PK fic team's discussing this. Before DH came out, we don't allow stories to end with Harry or Hermione married to people other than each other. We're discussing if that should be relaxed or if fics can be exempted on a case to case basis.

EDIT JUL 8: Please read this for clarification.

Wait does that mean you'll allow like OBHWF? or as in those angsty fics exeptions you know where Harry and Hermione love each other but remain married for the kids e.t.c. But I wouldn't like to see even other fics (as in R/L D/G L/J) having any of the pairings oh OBHWF and not H/Hr. I come on Portkey because I have that guaranteed thing of it always staying that way (As in it will end H/Hr)...But I have seen fics with H/Hr having that angsty thing atleast once here.

xoxo
Hana

PK is thinking of allowing the OBWF marriages to be in story endings? Really?

*shakes head* Oh no... that would be the worst idea I think.

It is hard enough to find stories that avoid it as it is. To allow stories that don't have Harry and Hermione together at the end in some way will just open a whole huge ugly can of worms I think.... and once open, it will be hard to slam shut when the place is full of worms to the point of choking...

If you allow this, there had better be rules about authors putting HUGE warnings about the horrible and tragic endings then and not just use the book 7 warnings as a thin cover...

I already avoid ALL stories with book 7 on the labels now. And I'm careful with stories with book 6 stuff included as well.

Warnings for things like any sort of ron/Hermione relationship needs to be really large and front up because I will immediately stop reading any story with any sort of ron/Hermione relationship especially if there is no warning.

Please consider that a lot of us don't want to be reminded of books 6 and 7 while reading fanfiction? Please remember it is harder every day to find places that ship Harmony for fanfiction? Please remember that many of us come to PK for fanfiction knowing it is safe from OBWF endings because of the rule that Harmony can't be broken and Harry and Hermione HAVE To end up Together at the ends of stories and that is our only safety net now.

It will be very sad to give up HP fanfiction all together if it becomes too difficult to find safe and Harmony based stories anymore. I don't want to have to waste time hunting down safe stories when that would cut into my reading time. I don't have enough reading time as it is.

And if you decide to allow this, can you modify the search engines and the updated stories pages to separate stories that have books 6 and 7 stuff away from the stories that are books 6 and 7 free to make it easier to find stories that don't contain them? I find it extremely frustrating to have to scroll through pages and pages of updates to find stories that don't contain stuff from books 6 and especially 7. Can they all be separated in some way to make things faster and easier? I really don't want to read stories that any anything to do with book 7 at all at any time. And again, things from book 6 are only OK if kept to a minimum and Harry and Hermione are together from the beginning and ron never has any contact with Hermione at any time... again I have to be very careful while choosing stories and authors need to be better at putting up warnings about that sort of thing for readers like me that can't stand the idea of ron anywhere near Hermione at any time in any way.

Please remember Harmony shippers when you decide?

I`ve read your story and although it`s very well written I feel that it breaks our rules.

From a Portkey reader point of view where they come here to a safe place to read H/Hr stories I feel like this story breaks the rules as any author is welcome to START a story with R/Hr or H/G or whatever couple, as long as any story with Harry and Hermione ENDS H/Hr. Yours doesn`t end H/Hr, it does end with H/Hr realising their feelings for each other but it ends with them still with the wrong partners. I feel this breaks our rules as the story is marked completed and there doesn`t seem to be plans for a sequel.

I feel that it might be a good idea for a place to be created maybe here on the forums where stories like this could be posted so people don`t stumble across them by accident and then get upset when they read them.

Your story is good, I just feel that it breaks the rules.

In my opinion as a fic mod and as a reader I don`t want this happening. I believe all H/Hr stories should end H/Hr and the reason why I love Portkey so much is because of the guarantee that the story you`re reading will end in the ship that you want. That`s part of what makes this site so special

Remember too if you see any fics that break our rules to report them using the report button on the story.



I totally agree with that, as a mod and a reader.

The reason why many come to read Portkey is because of the rules and the guaranteed HHr ending. It's a preference. There are however a lot of good HHr fics that may not abide by the rules (particularly those which are canon based) and it would just be great to have them hosted at an HHr site like Portkey too.

I personally don't mind reading an HHr fic that does not end HHr as long as it's well written but that's just me. As a reader I certainly would prefer those HHr stories on Portkey rather than on some other generic site. IMO, not that it matters much, readers can easily be informed/warned that a story does not end HHr and then it's up to them to continue on (although as a writer I dislike giving away the ending).

Or the admins can poll Portkey readers how important this rule is considering what happened in Canon. If this site is for the community of Harmony readers/writers, maybe they should be asked to weigh in. However, ultimately the admins/site owners have to decide.

Just my two cents worth...

BB Ruth

I personally see Portkey as a haven because I am guaranteed that fact it will be H/Hr the thing is I have seen some great stories which kind of bend the rules as they remain married to Ginny and Ron but they love each other...So I'm not really sure I've seen this though Post-DH. I'm sure others have run into them too. But I would be sorely miserable if OBHWF is decided to be allowed in the other ship stories. I just can't stomach it. I have the guarantee of that here where I don't in other places. For example in D/G stories elsewhere they can have R/Hr and I can't stomach it. A lot of Harmony shippers don't want it because even a little bit can make them feel sad/angry/etc...
As a reader I don't mind the angsty ending ones (with them remaining married to Ginny/Ron) they make for a good cry but I think that a warning for some people could help. But I draw the line when they're in love with them that's just a no no. So basically Harry and Hermione have to love each other unconditionally and not have feelings for others or else I can't stomach it.

It's a bit shady though on those endings. Because it is by no means OBHWF and very much H/Hr yes gut wrenching but H/Hr because they love each other and not their spouses. And one story I read I really liked. Though I think many readers would prefer a warning saying the ending might not be for everyone or something like that.

I think that Portkey IMHO should stay H/Hr because to me that's why I love it so much I have that re-assurance and if they do decide there should be big warnings because as I said some of us don't want to be reminded of the epilogue. And the people who read the ffn's are mostly H/Hr shippers are they not? Just my two cents though...

PJ: I'll PM you abt the Book 6/7 thing.

xoxo
Hana

A writer might not like giving away the ending but as a reader, I would be really angry to the point of reporting a writer for Not disclosing something so horrific as ron being in a relationship with Hermione especially in a sexual one especially if I get into reading a story to have that dumped onto me without any warning. I think it is unfair for writers to do that w/o thinking of the readers. Warnings MUST be posted. Writers need to remember the readers that still are very angry about the last 2 books and especially the crapalogue.

Again, I need to know up front about those sorts of things and I get really upset to see stories with ron anywhere near Hermione. So, to me knowing the ending doesn't spoil a story, coming up on a horrific scene of ron going anywhere near Hermione ruins a story in my mind. I need to know up front if a story is safe to read from the beginning so I will know if I need to pass it over for a better choice instead.

I think stories having things like that in them need to be clearly labeled, separated from other stories and hidden from those that don't want to see them.

I really liked it when stories that had books 6 and 7 were kept hidden and readers had to click a link to un-hide them. I preferred it that way and really wish it would go back to that way to make it easier to go through the updated lists for finding stories to read.

I honestly don't like seeing stories that have crapalogue pairing in them. the Harry/ginny one is not as bad but ron with Hermione needs to be as far from me as possible.

Is there a way to get PK update pages back to the way it was where stories that have stuff from books 6 and 7 hidden or separated out from stories that are just books 1 to 5 or completely AU?

That would be the best I think.

You have to remember though some of us like the post-DH ones because a lot of them are not epilogue-compliant. I like them when they show what happened after the war. Some of them well most of them are really good! A lot of the times it can be just spoilers like Ron leaving and they continue from there. So I don't want it to be just 1-5. But as I said I'll PM you abt that.

xoxo
Hana

I'm one of those people who likes the H/Hr angst that others havesplit opinions of, but I understand why people wouldn't want those fics on PK. I just think that DH - in particular the crapalogue - has somewhat changed the rules, and I just think that there needs to be some clarification. If you want me to take down the story, I'd be more than happy to, but I'd like the opportunity to save the reviews.

Also, I've got questions on two other types of fics. First of all, I'm assuming death fics are all right, since I've seen them around. So a story can end with the death of Harry and Hermione as long as they're together before the death, right? That doesn't worry me too much, just clarifying.

More importantly, are one-shots set in the canon timeline all right? What I mean is, is a one-shot that displays the romantic undertones between Harry and Hermione all right? Do they have to kiss or declare their love or whatnot, or can it be more subtle? For example, a fic set after Sirius's death in OotP that has Hermione comforting Harry. Is a fic like that all right, even if they don't get together at the end (since they don't get together at the end of OotP)? Does it have to be overt romance? I think some of the best H/Hr fics are friendship fics where it's made clear that their relationship goes far beyond friendship, if you understand my meaning.

Just want some clarification. Thanks for the speedy replies.

About requests to hide stories based on books 1-6 or 1-7 from the "New/Updated" Page:

Can't you use the search/filter page to search for fanfics based on books 1-5? I have no idea how hard or easy it is, coding-wise, to hide fanfics based on "Books 1-6" or "Books 1-7".


PJ, I know you didn't mean to, but that wording makes a generalization. It's like you're implying that all H/H shippers hate books 6 and/or 7 or can't stand any hint of R/H or H/G. That's not the case.

All right, let me correct my wording. I had PM'd the fic admins and mods about Bowles' question, asking them if we should allow married R/H and H/G at the end of a fanfic. I've heard from some of them; the others are rather busy with RL atm to weigh in. My PM asked them, should we relax this rule? So far, no one else has implied or suggested relaxing it.

I'm waiting for the other fic admins/mods to weigh in, then I or them will let you know what's been decided.




EDIT:
Bowles - thank you for asking the fic team about this rule instead of showing an "I don't care what the site staff thinks" attitude. Should it be decided that you have to take the story down, upload an author's note as you would a "chapter." That'll keep the reviews. Refer to the FAQs list on "how to edit stories without deleting its reviews" and "how can authors notify readers of stories taken down?"

- Pen

Thank you Pen for the speedy and calm replies! And I know what you mean because no matter the ships I still love all of the books because we had amazing moments in the last two. But I digress: I'm sorry for getting excited about that I feel stupid now! So you're referring to those angsty fics thanks that cleared it up a lot and again I really am sorry abt that! I just wouldn't like to read H/G R/Hr Or other here I am sorry! I feel really bad for jumping! *passes pumpkin pie with whipped cream* Again sorry abt that!

xoxo
Hana

Bowles - I've edited my post above about your question on how to keep the reviews.


PK's complete set of rules for fanfics are in here. The second post copies what's linked in the control panel (http://users.portkey.org) as "User Panel > Terms of Service" and "Author Options > Rules and Guidelines".


Yes. Here's the relevant rule which poppy had cited earlier:

The fanfiction must end with the category it has been entered into romantically involved together. ... Should one of the characters or both of the characters be killed off during or at the end of the fanfiction, we can accept that. It makes good angst. However, the story cannot focus around the theme of one or the other moving on.




Yes, as long as it's clear that they deeply care for one another; it goes beyond friendship; and is almost certain to become a romance.
EDIT: And the story focuses on their interactions/relationship. Naturally, the story doesn't break any other rule.

Here's an excellent example which I've re-read recently: cheering charm's "Tragic Little Hero" series. These are set immediately after OOTP. It's comprised of three stories; I get the feeling c.c. planned to write more but lost the appetite after HBP. In these stories, H/H don't kiss nor have they admitted that they're falling for each other, but it's clear that they are.

EDIT: It's clear that Harry is falling for Hermione, and that it's very strongly implied that Hermione is, too.

Okay, thanks for the help, I undertstand now. I'll replace the fic with an author's note next week when I get home. I just wanted to double-check.

Bowles - yeah, the "H/H can't be married to other people by the end of the complete story (the series)" rule stays.

Heaven, poppy and I vote for making it stay. Adam and sbys are too busy with RL atm to vote either way, Misti's on RL leave. As Heaven's PM put it, "if a story doesn't end H/Hr without a sequel in sight [that will end the series in H/H], it shouldn't be allowed."

I've also read your story earlier today and I agree with poppy's assessment. It's a good, angsty fic but it breaks that rule. But thanks too for your handling of this matter, esp. for taking the initiative to consult the fic mods.

As for fanfics marked "Spoilers:Books 1-6" or Books "Spoilers:Books 1-7",

As Hana (fire) had said, those labels don't necessarily mean that the stories have some Ron/Hermione or Harry/Ginny. Many authors use those fields to indicate that their story is based on events that happened in those books; but often the stories only casually mention those canon events.

So IMO, there's not much benefit in hiding fanfics marked "Spoilers: Books 1-6" or "Spoilers: Books 1-7" from the New/Updated page. If you want to avoid Rr/H or H/G pairings, your best bet is to to look at the data provided in the fic summaries AND in the fic rec-engine AND/OR ask the author.



Fanfics that have explicit scenes between R/H (or any pairings that contradict our ships) do break our rules so they should be reported.

Many, probably most, H/H authors do start their stories with warning of R/Hr or H/G (or D/Hr, H/C, etc). There are some stories where a simple "not your typical H/H fic" warning would do, because revealing more would've spoiled the plot for the reader.

Personally, I like reading mind H/H stories that portray the Trio's friendship well. Also, there are plenty of good H/H stories that have with past R/H and H/G.



The current fic mods have always shipped H/H. PK's fic mod teams have always been primarily comprised of H/H shippers. Therefore, of course we always remember H/H shippers when setting or modifying rules. There'll always be readers who'd want us to impose more restrictions (2003 example) and people who'd want us to relax some.



There have been plenty of times when PK staff have consulted PK members. This situation doesn't require that.

In regards to hiding the Book 6 and 7 spoiler fics... can't that be done with the filter anyway? Isn't that one of the reasons why it's there? Can't someone just bookmark the results page for that particular filter and click on that if they don't feel like doing the process every time they come to Portkey? I just don't understand the point of hiding those fics and in a way "punishing" the authors when someone looking for other fics can easily just use the filter, which I use all the time.

Yeah don't worry I send a PM to PJ about that with the link and everything. I really like the new ones they're fantastic!

xoxo
Hana