I was thinking about this a while back, but I never elaborated on it, and then I remebered it, and it's really hit me. I think this just cemented my place on the ship...whether it goes down or not.

JKR has never taken Hermione away from Harry. She is the only one who hasn't let him down. Even Ron has failed him. Even Dumbledore for Christ's sake!

Let me explain.

Ron: GoF. 'Nuff said. I love the boy, but he was a complete prat. His best friend was facing a competition that he wasn't even really supposed to be in, the whole school was against him, and he had no idea how to compete at all. He was completly lost, and Ron goes and doesn't speak to the poor boy for about a month because of a petty misunderstanding. Hermione was there. Harry was still upset, sure...I mean, who wouldn't be? But she never ever questioned his reason.

Dumbledore: In GoF, Harry learned that even Dumbledore, his know-all see-all mentor, couldn't solve all the problems of the world, couldn't place everything back in order. And then in OotP they barely had ay contact, and Harry was losing faith. This is major, in my humble opinion.

Sirius: He's gone. >.< I don't even want to elaborate on this one. I bawled my eyes out. Harry's surrogent father is gone. Not even one of the most important figures in his life can stay put.

Hagrid: He's left too. He was gone for half the school year. I love Hagrid, but he's not somebody you're going to confide to, the guy has a big mouth.

Lupin: I love Lupin, (who doesn't?) but he's like a favorite teacher. Plus, we don't see him much.

My point:

The only person who Harry truly cares about that hasn't faltered, that hasn't failed, that hasn't been taken away...has been Hermione Granger.

People may jump up and say "Oh! What about PoA?" In the first place, that was rahter trivial compared to the rest. Second: It was Harry who pulled away from her. Not Hermione. Even when he was mad at her, he still knew that she had done it out of concern and had good intentions.

Even when they fought in OotP, it didn't end a prolonged fall-out. Hermione didn't even get angry, unlike her fights with Ron. She would get forceful, but she never went on the defensive for herself.

Hermione is Harry's rock.

If this needs to be moved to the essay section, then go ahead. I just don't think it's good enough to be put in there, but feel free.

Discussion wanted!

~panda

Yup! Thats one of the biggest reasons I ship H/Hr! Definately, definately

love
Heather

I agree!!!

This is one of the reasons why I love Harry and Hermione.
They would make such a sweet couple. Kind and considerate, never in that big of fights, they trust each other, they are always there for each other.
Thats what real relationships are about.

Not fighting, and tension and 'passion'. Imagine a couple with that being married. It wouldnt last a year. I wouldnt want to argue with someone every day of my married life, I would want someone thats also my best friend, to love and support me no matter what. To have support and trust in me, like Hermione did for harry in GoF.
Not all that fighting and immature 'I like you, so I'll pull your hair' thing in grade school (like a certain guy with red hair is doing)

I believe that the best relationships are the ones based on trust and love. Not on passion and tension.

but thats only my opinion.. however 'boring and dull' it might be (as some 'Good ship' fans might say)

~*Amanda

Yes, I completely agree...Hermione IS Harry's rock and he will soon come to see that she is...

I agree completely on all terms. I've been cemented to the ship since book one, so if we go down, I'm going down with you.

*Glomps* Dreamin' Anthea

Pumpkin PIe forever! ^.^

BTW, I love your Avatar! *Melt*

Thank you all!

~panda

I think im permanently attached to the ship too.
Well, if it goes down, then I go down with it.

Meh, and if they dont work out I'll never be able to live it down anyways. I've argued furiously with my cousin Laina and friend Beth (who both believe in R/Hr) and I have a bet going with Beth...
So even though I'll still believe in them no matter what, I hope they get together!!!!

Anyways, ahoy maties! Lets eat some pumpkin pie on our beloved ship!

LOLZ Im such a dork.

~*Amanda

Some things are just so obvious that they are never that obvious.

I've been involved in the fandom for over a year now, have participated in chats and discussions on all manner of things H/Hr, have joined in focusing on so many things that H/Hr share (from friendship to trust and being there for each other)... and somehow, kept missing out on that singular term: devotion.

Hermione is devoted to Harry.

No ifs or buts about it.

There is one thing which we have always used in discussions with other shippers: no one has a clear idea of what Hermione thinks or feels towards her "boys." That Ron has a crush on Hermione is something we accept; that Harry remains clueless about Hermione is also something that we can accept ... but of Hermione's feelings, there is nothing clear in canon.

Except ... if we think in terms of "actions speak louder than words."

And, as your post so eloquently points out, Hermione's actions (of not ever abandoning Harry) show a level of devotion that shows, far more than words could say, what she may actually be feeling towards him.

Even during their "fight" in OotP, her devotion and concern for Harry's welfare was shining through everything. (Someone pointed out that when they were arguing, they were moving towards each other, not moving apart or even staying apart.

I can only hope that her devotion to Harry doesn't carry her too far and she sacrifices herself, ala Lily, for Harry's sake.

Glomps to you, dear!

gil

Romulus Lupin,
I completely agree.
That was incredibly intelligent and thoughtful!!!
Great!!

~*Amanda

[COLOR=blue]hi everyone, i just joined the site.

Anyway, let's all hope they do!

One of many many many big reasons why I'm such a big H/Hr shipper... Always have and will always will be forever more... If it never happens, then I'd be sooooo surprised I'll be sending JKR evil letters for the rest of my life.... bwahahahahahahaha...

Dreamer~

Excellent point, Frostbite Panda!
Welcome, Ray L! By the way, you should click on "close all tags" to activate those codes for colors, fonts, size, italics, boldface, etc.

WELCOME RAY L!!! Yes have some pumpkin pie (if you dont know, dont ask lol. Its just something to do with H/Hr fans. I dont completely understand it myself)

And DreamerBlue....yes definetly. If it doesnt happen, then I too will be sending JKR hate mail forever. I'm actually planning on sending her mail on why R/Hr shouldnt be together because it would be obvious and boring.
And I would say that their relationship isnt healthy..because it isnt. (We all know that!!)

~*Amanda

Firstly, welcome to Portkey, Ray L! Somebody already beat me to the serving of pumpkin pie *snaps*

Anyway, this is definitely one of the big reasons I ship H/Hr instead of R/Hr. Hermione is the only one who has stuck by him through thick and thin. It definitely says alot about thier relationship. Just because H/Hr doesn't bicker as much as R/Hr, doesn't mean that the passion is not there or that it's boring.

I agree Kalie. Some R/Hrs seem to think that just because H/Hr dont bicker every second of every day, that theres no passion there.
Honestly! (im sounding like Hermione!)
I would rather not ARGUE and be passionately in LOVE!!!

LOL
~*Amanda

I agree with everyone! Just because you don't fight, doesn't mean there isn't any passion...it just means that they're saving that passion for other things. And I agree, Hermione is so devoted to Harry it's not even funny.

LOL Jackryan411...

yeah, that passion will help in...umm... other areas
I personally would rather have passion under the sheets *wiggles eyebrows* then arguing. *YAWN BORING!!*

Hehe...

Umm... Not that I would know or anything... *looks around nervously and runs away*

~*Amanda

Lol, passion is much more important in erm...other things than fighting.

I hate that about most R/Hr shippers! They say that their fighting means "pent-up sexual fustration"!! Eurgh! That is so sick!

Actually, too much fighting isn't normal infact when people fight a lot you don't need a doctor to tell you that they should split those two people apart.... before they do any permanent damage to each other... I mean even if Ron matures a little there will still be bickering and that isn't exactly what Harry needs right now from them.... he'd need some quiet a lone time or maybe spend some quality reassure times with his friends that should refrain from constant bickering.... Hermione would be perfect for this part because she knows when to talk and to keep quiet.... she always thinks before she acts.... Harry would need thast kind of influence since his drastic actions had somewhat cost him a great loss.

Well...she kind of left him...when she was petrified in CoS.

Because...well...Sirius didn't have the power to stay. He couldn't prevent himself from leaving. That's the only reason I'm even considering my point of CoS.

In reality, she has never even considered (from our Point of View) to leave Harry. Heck, even when she was petrified she did it to help Harry!

I guess what we can say is that she's loyal...to Harry...she left Ron flat in GoF. ::smirks::

Amanda Rose

she didn't leave him.... she even got petrified for him...

Its just not healthy if you argue all the time!
If R/Hr ended up getting married, I bet you that they'd be divorced before one year is up..

~*Amanda

Yeah, really . . . the way Ron fights with Hermione is kind of petty, to say the least. Fighting does not mean that it's "pent-up tension." Nope, absolutely not. Fighting is what causes relationships to break/weaken. Even though right now all Hermione and Ron are doing is fighting over, um, the typical teenage things, it does not suggest anything at all. And that's what irks me the most about some R/Hers. Harry and Hermione, on the other hand, argue over the important things - and in my opinion, getting all hot-headed over the tiniest little things is not a good thing for a relationship. Hermione always keeps Harry's best interests at heart, and of course sometimes Harry will disagree about this/what she does for him, being the independent 15-year-old he is. *shrug* Arguing/disagreeing over the important things, just because they [Harry and Hermione] see things differently, is what strengthens their relationship. If you keep your friend's best interests at heart, and do anything for him that you could possibly can just to help him, and he appreciates it all the same if not not neccessarily agreeing sometimes, that's what makes friendships, like Hermione and Harry's, stronger. And of course Harry would do the same thing for her.
Okay, I think I just confounded some people with my post - sorry! Kudos to FrostbitePanda - my belief in H/H just grew stronger

I completely agree Sarcastic Dragonette.
Very well put, by the way..

Harry and Hermione argue about the important things, and do things to annoy each other by accident and out of concern. Ron and Hermione argue about every little tiny thing and about petty things..

Only my opinion!

~*Amanda

Great points Sarcastic Dragonette!

LOL yeah, their main argument is faulty and un-intelligent.

~*Amanda

I went onto the Harry Potter movie forums at Warner Bros and started a debate thread, unaware that I was probably the only Pumpkin Pioneer to step foot there.

Their responses were:

"they r gr8t 2gether! ooposits attrakt! fightin meens crushin!"

(Mods...please excuse the webspeak)

I'm not bashing R/Hr shippers at all, many of them are very intelligent, but I thought there'd atleast one mature, Good Shipper out there that could give me a better answer.

Anyways...that's besides the point. I agree with all of y'all.

And thank you for all of the feedback! *Huggles* And I'm glad I could help you Sarcastic Dragonette! I love to here that! And i'm also extremly flattered to be congratulated by Romulus Lupin! Thanks muchies!

*Muah and glomps to all!*

~panda

hey panda..there are h/hers there i'm there...neways there is a debating thread for ships(ours and r/hr)it's called what's up with r/hr shippers? we are havein a party right now, but ur welcome to come

hp official site debate

LOL FrostbitePanda..

that IS how some of them talk. I hate when people debate like that.. Its so irritating!!!

I prefer this board to the WB one.. I hate being barrated by clueless R/Hr fans.. its irritating.

~*Amanda

Oh I know what you guys mean. It irritates me when people use too much 'webspeak'. I really love Portkey because they stress that they want everyone to use good language skills, and although there are a couple exceptions, this is one of the many reasons I love us Punpkineers so much!

debating is pretty fun, but sometime u get sick of hearing the same thing over and over again, i prefer this to wb too.......but the r/hers on that thread act to us as we do to them(nice), except for the occasional person who suddrnly jumps in and trashes someone, but then they get told off by the others there, i DO wish we had more ppl debating on that thread though, we are celebrating 3000 post now though, i dont like to party soooo i'm probally not going to go, i dont know what to do at them

Yeah, I dont mind if someone has a different opinion then me..
But its completely annoying if they keep arguing and bashing. I dont mind debating, but you have to be intellectual about it! And they have to be able to look at it from another point of view!
And sometimes, arguing is boring. I prefer to come here where everyone likes everyone and we dont fight all the time! Its relaxing to know that you can express your views without some R/Hr fans jumping down your back!

~*Amanda

Yeah, Portkey rocks...I'm part of that debate and thankfully, it's the only place on the WB site where H/Hr and R/Hr are civil to each other. I practically refuse to post on the other topics on that site except for the ones bashing Emma (whom I defend) and topics bashing Cuaron (they haven't even seen the movie... ...I'm glad that there's not all this webspeak on here either.

jack...i think ur just a tiny bit obsessed with emma

yeah, web speak tends to get a tad confusing doesn't it?

~*Amanda

Yeah, that's what my friend thinks...yeah netspeak is confusing.

Well, i really don't blame you if you obssese about Emma a lot. She's a very charming girl and she has her own persona.. i mean a greatly respect her even if she's only 13 she's a well mannered young woman

That's why I don't post at the Official HP Boards anymore. I can hardly read what anybody is saying. Almost everything is in net-speak. I'm truly grateful for places like Portkey.

Yes, I totally agree. Net speak sucks...I can never read a paragraph in net speak. My mind would just go crazy! It's tiring enough trying to read 200 pages of evidence without needing to decipher every little word. I'm even more amazed how people can actually write net speak. It's really hard having to think about the way you write the words, even if it's condensing them or whatever, but seriously, net speak just causes more confusion...

Cdelight, I'm completely with you on that one. I thought that the point of netspeak was to make everything shorter right? Well, I used to talk to one of my friends and he would actually type out "eye" for "I". I always thought it was so useless! Another of my friends aCtUaLlY tYpEs LiKe ThIs AlL tHe TiMe. I mean that took me forever! Why do people actually do that all the time?! Arrrrrggg

Yep, I actually think that the way Harry and Hermione fight as opposed to how R/Hr fight, makes a pretty big deal.

Okay, I have this weird thing, but just hear me out. I was just listening to a song by Bryan Adams, it's called "(Everything I Do) I Do It For You" and it just reminded me of Sirius so much I'm practically crying right now! Poor Snuffles! I miss him so much!

I'm sorry, now I'm just going into hysteria, but seriously, listen to the song and tell me it doesn't remind you of Sirius.

A friend of mine made this statement about Harry/Hermione's fight in OotP. "Ron has never made Hermione cry." I personally believed then and believe now, it is only the one you love who can cause so much heartbreak that you would cry. I never cried when my brothers and I fought, but everytime I'm with someone I'm even interested in dating and we fight, I'm completely miserable. I have never seen Hermione miserable when fighting with Ron. Only with Harry or when she's been fighting with both of them. And through all that, it has been Harry that Hermione continues to support no matter what. Frogive any babbling.