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Okay, I've just finished reading up CoS and I find it interesting how McGonagall seems to be a H/Hr shipper. I'd just like to see what you think of each of these quotes (all the emphases are mine):



I find it interesting that she only thinks that perhaps Ron should come too...this has been discussed before so I'm not going to go too much into it...



I thought that it was interesting that she always referred to visiting Hermione as "you" and addressed Harry, not Ron...
We also all know the line from OotP where she says that she's glad that he listens "to Hermione Granger at any rate." All these just made me think that McGonagall might be hoping that H/Hr get together...Your thoughts? And one more thing, I just had to post this, I want to see what you people think of it:



First I was annoyed with Ginny for sitting in Hermione's usual chair (and still am annoyed with her, btw), but then I started realizing some interesting subtext. In my opinion, maybe if Ginny tries to take Hermione's "usual" chair in Harry's heart, it would be a very subdued affair and never the right thing.

One more thing about CoS, I just had to post this fluffy moment:



Sigh...

i have always thought prof. m. saw something in h/hr.....i personally like the quote in OOTP where she just KNOWS harry listens to hermione, i think she's debating on whether to shay what she says though, notice how she sniffs, walks around he desk, opens the door, and THEN says it

and i agree that chair thing makes me think that JKR might be saying that ginny is trying to replace hermione in harry's heart, but cant, because harry remembers that is where hermione is susposed to be

yes, i think she deserves a whole pie for being our biggest book shipper, maybe hagrid too, he's given us a little proof, i refuse to bash sirius and his hinting towards r/hr but he DID, i hope he likes his tree lol j/k....i'm not sure if rita should get anything, i'm not sure about cho either, but they DID say something...crouch jr. mentioned the auror thing(pie?) what about draco and pansy and their comments????....so many book shippers so little space to type

Yay! Good ol' Professor McGonagall!
I've always liked her.
Yay!!! She can join the ship too! Lets have some pumpkin pie!
~*Amanda

Just wanted to add something to jackryan411's "McGonagall moments," from HPSS/PS, when H/Hr were dragged by Filch to McGonagall's office after he caught them coming after having disposed of Norbert the dragon:


Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Chapter 15, "The Forbidden Forest"

“I would never have believed it of any of you. Mr. Filch says you were up in the astronomy tower. It’s one o’clock in the morning. Explain yourselves.”

It was the first time Hermione had ever failed to answer a teacher’s question. She was staring at her slippers, as still as a statue.

“I think I’ve got a good idea of what’s been going on,” said Professor McGonagall. “It doesn’t take a genius to work it out. You fed Draco Malfoy some cock-and-bull story about a dragon, trying to get him out of bed and into trouble. I’ve already caught him. I suppose you think it’s funny that Longbottom here heard the story and believed it, too?”



Admittedly, the above quote is taken somewhat out of context , the succeeding lines had McGonagall breathing fire on them about playing a joke which resulted in Draco Malfoy being caught out of bounds. But then, why should she be ranting on about the two being caught at the Astronomy Tower?

Seriously, however. I am not yet at the stage of believing that Professor McGonagall is a [broom]closet H/Hr shipper. I do believe, however, that she sees something going on between them and may, in her well-hidden, romantic heart, be hoping that the two will get together soon.

LilaBelle also puts it quite accurately -- if asked to list interesting H/Hr moments in OotP, McGonagall's talk with Harry is interesting ... especially as, if I recall correctly, there was no way that she would have known about Hermione's observations and comments. Note that when Hermione made those remarks about Umbridge, she would have been at the teacher's table and (presumably) unaware of whatever discussions the students were having at their table.

For her to make that comment implies that:

a. she knows that Harry's comment can only have come from Hermione (not a great leap of logic, in fact, since Hermione appears to be the only one in Harry's age group to be able to make such an observation;

b. she knows Harry's hot-headed and somewhat reckless nature (Gryffindor courage?) but is also aware that Umbridge's appearance at Hogwarts would have a negative effect on him;

c. and she is gratified that Harry (who she knows, I assume, is the wizarding world's hope to defeat Voldemort), thinks highly enough of Hermione to be "listening" to her.

Bottomline -- she's seeing something between them. And she has just joined the ranks of Rita Skeeter and Krum who apparently are seeing more in the two than they themselves are seeing.

gil

P.S. Kudos to silvestria over at the HMS PP at FAP for spotting that line and raising it during a ship thread discussion.

Those are great!
I never really paid attention about how McGonagall talks to Harry about Hermione and not to Ron and Harry.

i love how most of the ppl around h/hr seem to notice how close they are, but they dont, or at least harry doesnt, somebody needs to knock some sense into him!

Yeah, I agree. I like how Cho, Krum ect. notice it too.
If they notice something, then their must be something to base it on.
Maybe the fact that they subconciously like each other?
Maybe the fact that they continuously talk about each other?
Maybe the fact that they are always together?

I think it is a strong point towards Harry and Hermione (one of the many winds blowing our ship)

Oh and btw, Romulus Lupin, that was very cute 'broom closet' hahaha
I thought it was funny!!!

~*Amanda

I agree with everyone and am extremely happy now! Romulus Lupin actually posted on my topic...*does jig...anyway, I agree with all the points being made. The Astronomy Tower at one o'clock?

Anazecria...

that last comment was very smart.
It made perfect sense the way you said it!
Yay! *does a little dance and sings random stuff about pumpkin pie*

~*Amanda

Anazecria, I agree completely!
*Joins in with sunshinebelle*
Harry knows where Hermione sits, and if he doesn't look at her all the time, how would he know?
Yay!!!

I think McGonagall is almost sided with the H/Hr ship but is still not sure which way to side.

Yah... so many people see the H/Hr thing.... I guess the only people unaware are the actual ones involved... or is it just Harry.... It kind of remind of the song "Anyone Can See" by Angela Bofield.... it's kinda old but it pretty much says the whole everybody knows what's goin' on....

[QUOTE] Anyone can see what you mean to me. Anyone can tell my love for you so easily

I like Anezcria's conclusion it was very well thought out. I've always felt that McGonagall has seen the possibility of Harry and Hermione getting together. Its just that she has been teaching at Hogwarts forever and of course she'd be able to spot chemistry between her students. She gets to know their personalities over the course of seven years but maybe she's become so good at spotting tension, she can even tell after the first couple of months. I don't think she takes Ron seriously as a student (obviously) or maybe even a person.

A woman of McGonagall's intelligence could easily see why a romantic relationship or even a friendship for that matter between Ron and Hermione is very highly unlikely in a perfect world. But since it isn't a perfect world, a relationship between Ron and Hermione would be just like a relationship between Draco and Hermione to her, I'd like to think. She knows how relationships pan out, she's seen them even if she is a teacher, Hogwarts is like a small town. To me it seems that to her Ron and Draco are on the same level whereas she values Harry and Hermione more as some earlier posts show.

McGonagall breaking the news about Hermione's petrification. To me, that seems enough to make me belief that she doesn't understand how Ron and Hermione could possibly be friends. I even think Hagrid and Dumbledore see a possibility but I think that Dumbledore may find R/H cute when they argue. As for Sirius Black, LilaBelle, I think he sees a bit of himself in Ron.

Dish

I don't think McGonagall really underminds Ron but well, you're right she has very high expectations from Harry and Hermione.... She probably sees Harry's resemblance to his dad's attitude... I mean let's face it.... Harry's stubborn attitude almost reflected his dad's arrogance..... He didn't like it but he was mean most of the time although he had reasons he did act like his dad.... Hermione on the other hand was like lily not just because she's muggle born but because she was always the voice of reason to Harry as Lily was to James although I have to say that James only listen because he had other things in mind... but well, it was probably like history repeating itself only this time Harry and Hermione are best friends unlike Lily and James who probably didn't get a long much but was civil enough with each other.... As for Sirius you know how he's like.... so i don't really take it that seriously becasue he jokes about everything.... hehehe i miss him though.. sniffs...

Hmmm, I was thinking about what was said when Prof. McGonagall was talking to Harry and she kept saying 'you' to him. I'm afraid that to me it doesn't seem like too much of a hint. English is a difficult language to interpret like that because she could in a sense be talking to both of them, 'you' would still apply to both of them. If it was in any other language we could probably tell, but I'm afraid (not to be pessimistic or anything) that it might not mean anything, although in just about every other term, I agree, when she told Ron that he probably should come too, it seemed like a total clue to me that she definitely thinks that H/Hr a closer as friends than with Ron.

Of, and about the Astronomy tower, I also think that that's a hint that McGonagall is beginning to think that H/Hr have something going on. For all we know, she could actually think that they're dating, I mean they're always together, and she wouldn't really have any other source. Watch, if they do get together and McGonagall finds out, she'd probably say something like "Haven't you been going out since like 2nd year?", or something like that. Hehe, well, I can always hope.

yup.... I think that's is so true.... McGonagall had been constantly watching all the Gryffindors... She knows these kids pretty well... and she's so motherly like to Hermione I bet she's looking after her best interest and Hermione would really go well with Harry..... Hmm... it's just the H/Hr shipper in me that's taking over

Lol, I can just McGonagall, "Weren't you snogging in the first year in the Astronomy Tower?" Harry, "Um, no." Lol...I didn't see Sirius pointing to R/Hr or Hagrid pointing to H/Hr...Can someone give me examples of that?

liddlevietgurl,

Yeah I agree. I mean, it seems that so many people think that Harry and Hermione are/will get together (McGonagall, Colin Creavy, that annoying newspaper lady, Cho Chang, Krum) but no one really expects R/Hr together.. except for 'fans' of the book.
But it makes you wonder...
Maybe JK Rowling will do the unexpected, shock most of the people, and put Harry and Hermione together after all!!!
Thats what im hoping for lol!

~*Amanda

the sirius hinting toward r/hr has been used by r/hers, harry agreed with it and ron even said "Sirius is right, you DO sound like my mother"
Sirius said hermione was acting like molly(hinting?)
Harry said when hermione was asking what ron thought about something looked like molly asking author something

Yeah but you know what? I dont think R/Hr are like Ron's parents at all!
I mean, maybe Hermione's bossy like Molly weasley, but thats about it.
Ron and Hermione are both strong, pigheaded, stubborn and argue A LOT!!
Mrs Weasley is like that also, but mr. Weasley is more laid back and not as stubborn. I think if he was, then Ron's parents would be divorced right now.
So no, I dont think the Weasley parents are like that at all.
I wish R/Hr fans would stop using that as an example, because it doesnt even make sense.
Like I said before, Ron and Hermione could NEVER get married (or even date for too long) they'd kill each other.

~*Amanda

I have noticed some interesting comments made by McGonagall as well that perhaps points to H/Hr. I'm a bit uncomfortable saying that a fictional character is a shipper, because...well, it's a fictional character. You don't really know what's inside thier mind, with the exception of JKR of course.

McGonagall has a way of noticing things that other people don't. From something she said in OotP( "Well, I'm glad you listen to Hermione Granger at any rate." )I got the impression that she observes her students closely. That's just my opinion.

About Sirius hinting towards R/Hr...I don't think that's hinting at all. Oh, and Harry did notice that "[ Ron and Hermione ] reminded him of Mrs. Weasley appealing to her husband." It wasn't a comment about thier arguing. It was a comment when Hermione asked Ron for his opinion on a certain matter. But, I do agree with you that Ron/Hermione are not at all like Arthur/Molly.

Both Sirius and Ron made comments about Hermione being alot like Molly. And Harry's observation is more about the Hermione-Molly connection than Ron as Arthur. Nothing in Sirius's comment said anything about Ron acting like Mr. Weasley.

Yeah maybe the characters dont,
but I was kind of referring to R/Hr fans who say that they are like the weasley parents. It seemed an appropriate time for me to mention that I DONT THINK THEY ARE LIKE THAT AT ALL! Lol.
So dont mind me...
Its late.
(Im saying I meant that fans thought they were like an old married couple)
So never mind!
haha

~*Amanda

You know what, Molly and Arthur actually remind me more of H/Hr than R/Hr. Molly is bossy in a motherly way towards her kids and husband, much like Hermione is towards Harry and Ron. On the other hand, Arthur is more laid-back and will admit when he's wrong and lets Molly yell at him, without yelling back, for good reason i.e. when Arthur tried stitches at St. Mungos or when Ron, Fred, and George rescued Harry using the Ford Anglia in CoS. I don't think I've ever seen Molly/Arthur argue before. It's usually Molly reprimanding Arthur.

The way Harry acts when Hermione is "mothering" him is more the way Arthur would act to Molly than Ron reacting to Hermione. Hermione and Ron just yell at each other. If H/Hr get married, I can see the "Hermione scolding Harry for allowing their kids to try magic prematurely and Harry being embarrassed, knowing she is right, and trying to calm her down." If R/Hr get married, it's much more like "Hermione scolding Ron for letting their kids try magic when they're too young and Ron arguing back saying it's never too early, infuriating Hermione even more" To me, the H/Hr marriage situation is much more like Molly/Arthur than R/Hr.

Don't know if that made any sense cause now that I'm rereading it...it's not making much sense to me Anyway, the point is that H/Hr remind more of Molly/Arthur than R/Hr. So sorry if this is OT!!!

Yes! It makes perfect sense liddlevietgurl!!!

Thats exactly what I think too! Ooh what a strong argument!
Good job, very intelligent!
Yay!
*gives hug!*

~*Amanda

Yup...H/Hr definitely seem more like Arthur and Molly...and unless Ron is afflicted with Oedipus complex, I don't see how Ron referring to Hermione as his mother can be the cause of Ron's attraction to her.

yea Ron didnt seem too happy when he said it, but it is still used as evidence, personally i hate it when ppl try to find parallels with the other generations, why cant they let the young be themselves without comparing their relationships

Yeah, I agree just let them be themselves. Anyway, can anyone find any proof that Hagrid's H/Hr or Sirius is R/Hr?

LOL...
Well if Sirius is a R/Hr fan, it doesnt matter now does it, cause hes dead??

Aww... poor Sirius.. I miss him

~*Amanda

Too true...and this is my topic! *Scratches head...so, how about McGonagall?

she should be made head h/hr book shipper j/k...i can just see her handing out fliers for us lol

LOL yeah it is an awesome ship.
But then again we are kinda biased cause we're a PART of the ship anyways!!!
But mods please dont delete my 100th post!! I want to save it forever!

~*Amanda

ooo Oooo oooo! Hermione- McGonagall parallel - H/Hr shippy thing! I need to start making sense!

Right. Here we go. JKR often compares Hermione to McGonagall. Now in "Fight and Flight" Harry goes to look for Prof McGonagall and when he finds out she's not there he's surprised because he thought of her as a person who would always be there and I think that Harry began to understand and appreciate McGonagall more in OotP anyway. Maybe thats a little hint of how much Hermione is needed, Harry eventually notices hermione's solidarity and loyalty in OotP so maybe JKR was again drawing a little comparison. What would Harry do if Hermione wasn't there?

hmmm, that sounded better in my head. But I agree McG is suuuch a H/Hr shipper!

Never really thought of McGonagall as a H/Hr shipper, but now it makes sense! Thanks for showing me the light.

AML
~*kt*~

LOL!! Yeah when your good, your good.
Haha!

We're off topic again! So.. how about McGonagall?? She likes Harry and Hermione hmm? Maybe someday Snape will do *snicker* that would be the day.

Which do you think Snape would prefer R/Hr or H/Hr
He honestly hates them all... who do you think he'd like better?!

~*Amanda

hey did u know they kept our thread and just moved it to general discussion

neways i think snape likes r/hr, that way more gryffindors will be miserable

I think Snape would like R/Hr better because it would make Harry sort of a third wheel and unhappy...which is what Snape wants of course.

LOL cool! our thread is still alive! boo ya!

Im not sure..

On one hand snape would root for R/Hr to make Harry miserable..

but then again, more griffindors would be happy maybe. Ginny would be with Harry, Ron with Hermione. Whereas, if Harry and Hermione got together Ginny and Ron wouldnt have anyone in griffindor..

hmmm...

~*Amanda

Actually I think Snape would like to see H/Hr. That way, he could embarrass them in front of everyone. Snape would totally love to do that. Remember how he reacted to those Rita Skeeter articles? I bet Snape would love to see them together so he could take off points when he catches them snoggling or something. On the other hand, if Hermione ends up with Ron, Snape can't really pick on Harry; we all know how much they hate each other *wink wink*

I think Dumbledore prefers H/Hr of course He wants only the best for Harry, and Hermione is the best choice for him!

Yup...Dumbledore is cool and would want the best for Harry. What about Hagrid? I think he prefers H/Hr but can't up with any canon evidence.

There is so much evidence for H/Hr. There are a lot of quotes from all five books, their name both starts with H, some teachers in the books are constantly pointing to H/Hr and much, much more...

Yup yup.... H/Hr is just ther and only the gifted ones can spot them.... well, not really if you just read the book and try to understand the whole context you would definitely end up with an H/HR conclusion....