So I'm sure all of us can share stories about our experiences in General Harry Potter chatrooms or forums. I remember some of mine, where I was taunted, ridiculed, and kicked out for some suggesting Harry/Hermione. What was intresting was that I had been a member of this chat group and everyone got along with me just fine. We all enjoyed eachothers company. Just the mention of me being a Harmonian turned everyone against me. Oh well, I got over it.

Anyways, why are Harmonians the most hated shippers in the fandom? There are a huge number of ships out there. Draco/Ginny, Luna/Ron, Harry/Luna, Draco/Ginny and so much more. Then why is it us that get the most grief?

Even after HBP where the final ships were given, and even now after Deathly Hallows where the cannon ships were out for good. You would think that most people wouldnt think so badly of us know and cut us some slack because their ship has happend.

But even so, the hate of Harmonians is just as big as it always was. The hate for the ship. Why is it that so many people get angry and defensive about the mention of Harry/Hermione? It puzzles me.

Most fandoms have a lot of hate (in fact, I actually left HP fandom for a while, partly because of other fandoms).

I've heard it said that it was because we so vehemently continued to believe in a ship that was apparently (and now we know it was) shot down in a book and then again by the author.

Yes but the question is why are we still continued to be so hated when our ship was shot down? The herons got their end, and still hate us with a passion. (Not all Herons, but the majority).

Well, maybe its because unlike most other sunken ships, Harry and Hermione had a very, very strong chance of happening. I hardly think we're a small ship by any means, and there is a very very large surplus of evidence to back our claim. In addition, we took the stance that Harry and Hermione didn't have to bicker, quarrel, argue and just generally wind up treating each other in an "ugly" fashion, which is a trait that the Herons seem to enjoy about their ship.

For some strange, confusing reason. Seriously, I think the idea of Ron and Hermione arguing got them all giddy more than the pair's actual kiss did.

Anyway, we essentially took up an idea of "Real love" vs. "Fake Love." Nobody ever likes the idea of their pairing being assessed as fake love, and it probably didn't help that we actually had a good case for ours. I will readily admit that, while other ship ideas such as Hermione and Draco, for example, might be romantic in a sense, they were ferociously unlikely. Harry and Hermione, though, were not, and it was very VERY possible for Rowling to go that route. Perhaps, and this is just a guess, some of the more vocal Herons had a feeling that we had a point, and that upset them to think that we could be right.

Then, after it happened, we had the nerve to say that Rowling castrated her characters, her book, and pretty much removed Harry to make Ron and Hermione happen. We flat out said that she had to write circles around herself just to pull this off. That's not exactly very nice of us to say, regardless of whether its true or nor, or how nicely we say it. I mean... how would we feel if we were told this, and it might actually seem true? I wouldn't like hearing it, to be honest.

Godric, you said it best when you said, "maybe its because unlike most other sunken ships, Harry and Hermione had a very, very strong chance of happening." The tenacity of our faith tends to tick off the Herons and Chocolates. This and the fact that - as Godric said - "(it was) very VERY possible for Rowling to go that route (H/Hr)." And, this, the non-H/Hr shippers don't want to accept.

I too never understood why the non-Harmonian disliked us at all. It really isn't any of their business as to why we decided to ship H/Hr and have remained loyal to our ship. It isn't any skin off their nose either. Their ships came in, albeit at the last minute. Harmony was always a possibility right up until book 6, and even then Rowling didn't commit completely. She left the Herons and Chocos hanging until book 7!

And, let's face it, the bone that Rowling tossed at Harmonians was sweet none the less! That evil kiss between Harry and Hermione in book 7 (Ron's worst fears) was better than the kiss between Ron and Hermione (which I think was a let down, Herons waited 6 books for this???!!) and the birthday kiss Ginny gave Harry. Those kisses pale to the evil kiss Harry and Hermione share! And, it's all canon now!

It doesn't bother me one iota that there are non-Harmony shippers that hate us for remaining steadfast to our ship. I laugh in their face. Harmony may not have sailed, but it never sank! It will always be afloat because of our loyalty to it. Thankfully we have our fan fiction!

I don't understand why a lot of Herons hate us. I have the faintest idea why. R/Hr happened yet Harmionians are still treated like dirt. What the hell? If we are sooooooo crazy why can't some Herons leave us alone. From what I see (which isn't everything) Harmionians usually don't go to R/Hr sites and flame them. I think we are "hated" because we basically deny all canon, defy JKR's quotes, and most of all fight the more populated ship. Because we are the minority of all the ships I think some Herons just want to get rid of us like were are all supposed to be the same. Like F*cking robots or something.

I know! Listen, we know they got canon. Whoo-hoo. But we harmonians could care less whatever was canon! We like Harmony better. We think its better. We think its real. So, why, why get over it!

Trying to convert us isn't going to do any good.

I mean, what? They thought that after JKR put OBWHF in canon, we'd all see the light?

Ha! The wishes these Herons come up with.

Personally, I'm a very stubborn girl and I refuse to go over to the 'dark side'.

I know but still a lot of them demand we try and see the R/Hr moments when clearly we don't give a sh*t.



Don't you mean "light side" I mean afterall shipping Harmony was basically compared to being a Death Eater in DH... besides some very nice people actually tell me I am a satanic terrorist for liking Harmony. But then again I'm delusional so what do I know.

Honestly? Because some of our shippers are crazy. Seriously, after some comments that were made by H/Hr shippers in this site and in others after DH, I understood that. Just take a look at all the w@nk.

And this attitude that it's us x rest of fandom doesn't make it any better. Many other ships were sunk with HBP and DH as well, it doesn't make HMS Pumpkin Pie special.

(There was just this incident at LJ about a month ago that made me really mad and pissed off at certain shippers.)

Well if it was just the fact we ship something they figure could never happen Herons would be flaming slash pairings and other such ships as vehemently. I think it's the fact we are just the rival pairing that has to do with the trio. I don't see Harry/Ron shippers getting much of look compared H/Hr since it was just as likely to happen as R/Hr. And they were unnecessary words flung from both sides of the 'war' that caused a bigger rift between the shippers. As much I'd like to turn a blind eye from our more outspoken moments and pin it to the herons it's wrong and unfair.

Why we are probably the most hated fandom in the HP universe is because we don't go down easily...if at all. And we give just as good as we get if not better on most levels. To herons we are/were perceived the biggest threat to their happy ending. While some still mock us after DH they know we aren't going to lay down and convert to being herons. We might not have gotten our canon, but we're still here just as strong. I'm just hoping we clear up this whole 'ship rift' and be friends. I mean the series is over what is there to fight over that hasn't been presented millions of times.

to all!

Well, it's a bit like in football, when two teams are fighting for the championship, their fans will glare at each other constantly, and tell bad stuff about their rivals.

I guess since RHr and HHr were the two ships with the best chances to happen, the fans of both camps got pretty aggressive with each other. Some Harmonians hate Herons pretty much too, don't forget that.

I did go and read the link, w@nk, and I can't help but ask who the hell wrote that piece of tripe! I find it very hard to believe that it was written by an avid Harmonian. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was written by some obviously very angry Heron and/or Choco instead. I would go so far as to say that it sounds like it could have been written by the MuggleNet webmaster himeself - and you all know who I mean - but I think that with his huge ego, he would have signed it!

I love Harmony, but I would never write such an article that would embarrass me and my fellow H/Hr shippers! If you notice the article was modified on August 29, 2007. It seems to me that the majority of Harmonians had long ago released their anger at how HP ended. I remember being absolutely livid with the shipping plot in HBP, but over the last two years I calmed down. I don't care for the way DH was written - too many mistakes, loopholes, wrong pairings, the crapilogue, etc. - but I didn't go beserk! I have to admit that I enjoy flaming R/Hr and H/G very much, it's a release (a form of venting) for me, but I do it on our website, at HarmonyForever.com and on a thread specifically for Harmonians at Veritaserum. I hope I'm not making an a*s of myself here, but I know that I don't go to the non-Harmony websites and do it!

So, please do tell me (if you know), just who wrote this obnoxious article at Wikipedia?

*snort* Yeah, who cares about deep reading and discussing irrelevant details, it`s neat to have everything arranged on a golden plate for you. Honestly, the author has been outspoken about everything since Book 1, I mean, who did not see Quirrel as the evil guy coming???
It backfires on whoever wrote that entry... Shallow reader.
Loved that "Black List" of Notable Harmonians. Plus quotes.
The whole article is dripping with sarcasm, and it's so biased, I wonder why it hasn't been removed. Wow. This stings.
I'm glad not all Herons and erm... Harmonians (is it still ok to use that phrase???????) are like that.

I think it does have to do with a small number of loud and crazy fans. There've been cases of Harmonians comparing not becoming canon to the oppression of black slaves, or Harmonians saying JK was polluting the minds of children with the idea of OBHWF and even instances of people making icons of JK in a bathing suit and insulting her looks (I mean, what the hell?). This all happened, and these cases probably remain more on the collective mind of the fandom than what the other Harmonians, the great majority, do (namely, care about their ship but not go around insulting people and making highly inappropriate analogies). There are crazies on every side, who sadly spoil it for the the more silent fans. And yes, Harmony did have evidence and a possibility to become canon, more than any slash ship or minor ship. Maybe Herons felt threatened by it.

(As for that wiki list: the w@nk links in there are real; they happened. The article itself is obviously biased, which is unnecessary - but let's not forget that this is the Fandom W@nk wiki, and the wankas over there make fun of everything that moves. It's just what they do.)

I have to admit, HPFF is the only site besides this I go on in the HP fandom, because it is against the rules to ship-bash. Also, most of the people are fab. However, occasionally a person will come on the forums with things like "Every time a person supports canon, a kitten dies" and things like that. Usually the staffers pick that up quick. However, sometimes I disagree with what is considered ship bashing and not. Like, I personally think something like "EWWW, HHR is evil" should be considered ship-bashing. But I digress.


Anyways, my point is that other than reading the special addition wall of shame (because this one person who I know who knows I'm an HHR shipper told me I had to because it was so funny. Needless to say, I stopped talking to her) is that I really haven't been on the recieving end of that.

Oh wait, and then there was that RHR shipper I was hanging out with at that midnight thing who told me that I was delusional and there had been anvil sized hints. But whatever.

That's an article on Fandom W@nk and like thjeve said, they make fun of everything. The article was probably written by a member of FW staff, someone who knew all about the H/Hr w@nk. I didn't like it for the article, I linked it for the w@nk. Click them and see what kind of things certain Harmonians have said. Some are hilarious, some are sad, some are "wtf!?" and a lot of them shame our ship as whole, because the people who have said it were defending Harmony and probably thought they were speaking for a part of our ship. Seriously, read the w@nk and then tell me if the term "deluded" doesn't describe those members well.



There's been notably less H/Hr w@nk post-DH than there was post-HBP, but it's there. And honestly, the article might be mocking our ship, but I do think it summarizes our ship pretty well.




This is exactly why I thought Portkey was unbearable, post-DH, for a while. And there are several threads discussing or that have discussed that, so I won't say anything else about it.

(And I'm not sure if that definition of Harmony is accepted by members of our ship, but I do think there's a divide among us. The ones who ship H/Hr, love it and are able to embrace it as a non-canon ship. Then, there are others who think it's unacceptable that it didn't go our way, that the books are somehow lesser because of it and just can't accept that Rowling wanted R/Hr and H/G all along.)

I agree, there are most of the Harmonians who can accept it's not canon and love the ship all the same and some others who can't accept canon. I do accept it, this doesn't make me like it a bit more, but I know there's nothing I can do if JK wanted OBHWF since the beginning. I can only love HHr for what I saw in the books.

But post DH there were also some Herons who came here to gloat, and that is bound to elicit some harsh replies from us Harmonians, I think that's understandable.

The only thing the article did get right,was mentioning H/Hr's archetypal soulmate relationship. That's one thing that cannot be denied from start to finish of the HP series. New readers who will pick up the series for the first time will either see what we've been talking about for years,the beautiful relationship that exists between H/Hr or they'll see the OBHWF relationship was the only possible ending to the story. I accept the way the series ended eventhough I don't agree with it. Hopefully over time,people will ignore the comments made by some of the mean-spirited R/Hr shippers and judge the series for themselves. I saw H/Hr's relationship as something to be cherished,long before I knew or read that alchemy binds them together. So I'm glad I was a reader who didn't have to be pursuaded one way or the other,I already liked the H/Hr ship,regardless of what others thought about it. Proud to say I still love H/Hr,come what may.

The Good thing is that stuff like this usualy dissapiers in the long run anyway and will be gone after it´s deleted for the main public.
or it will be forgoten with all the other stuff that are bad on the net so and only

the books will stand on it´s own and not on major fandom keeping it alive and intervies to fill out the blanks like we had to do.

Really guys...SOME OF YOU...really are way too exaggerate!
some of you actually hated the whole book just because your ship did not sail.
some of you accused the author of being incompetent and to teach wrong moral issues...(I mean, JK did a lot of mistakes/loopholes etc through her series but she's just like that! We can do nothing! She didn't even notice!) but to point your finger at her saying: "you're morally wrong!" or "you're an incompetent!", just because the book didn't turn up like you wanted...that's a bit childish...don't you think?
I mean, DH was totally disappointing for me but I'm not gonna blame her. She's the AUTHOR, she has the right of writing what she wants!
Don't forget that some of you actually hate Herons (God Heron is just awful, couldn't you call us Gingerats?!? That's cool! ) so it's not only you who are hated... remember.
some of you are really TOO MUCH into it! I mean, HP is a great book but only a book, and ships are only...ships, characters put togheter as you might like them to be...that's all, this is not politics!

BUT HONESTLY I think the greatest mistake you did, you did all by yourselves.
SOME OF YOU BASHED THE AUTHOR
Read this and think:


Guys, there are ppl who ship only canon just because the author says so, and some of them who were shipping non-canon, changed their ship when JK demonstrated it wasn't canon! And that's ashaming. When you like a ship you simply like it! You're not gonna changing because the author is God.
But for some fans JK is God.
So some of you didn't realize it but did go against a "kind of God".
They're gonna burn you like ppl did with "witches" in the 1600s! (please this is just an example, didn't meant to offend anybody please If it did offend I'm terribly sorry!)
And it's not right to go against the author because the book and the characters are hers!
You can still ship what you like in fandom, and write fanfics, display art and everything but going against canon can be taken as quite offensive! Remember you don't OWN HP world, its JK's.

After this please don't bash me!
I always said "some of you", I'm a Gingerat but I never offended anyone of you, I always discussed with you at peace.
I have the pleasure of saying that no one of you insulted/offended me either!

I think they "hate" you because you do not "accept" canon and seldom bashed/blamed the author.
I saw some threads here I just pretended not to see...

Canon is the reality, that is, you have to accept it, and while accepting it you can still ship H/Hr! It's simple!

I have been hated for shipping Harry/Cho, but I still ship it.
I have been recently called a pervert for shipping Dumbledore/Grindelwald.
You're not the only one. Being hated is quite common, expecially if you're different from all*everybody*.

I dont hate all Herons. I really dont! I was just talking to my Heron friend the other about the outcome of the book. She said she would have been intrested in seeing Hermione die because she's always been such a huge part of Harry's life and she was curious to see what he would so without her! And this girl is an avid Heron mind you. Just in the general HP fandom, most Herons seem to loathe Harmonians with all they have in them.

And Peregrine_Falcon, you accuse "some" Harmonians of being bitter and blaming the author for the outcomes of the romances. But just take a second to put yourself in their shoes. If avid Herons didnt get their ship, and I know a lot of them said they would "die" if it didnt happen, do you think some people wouldnt blame the author? Are you kidding me? Of course they would! Its a natural reaction. If your ship didnt happen you would be bitter too and probably say some things you didnt mean. Its not a bad thing, its just the way we would react.

Im only going to speak for myself when I say this but I'm sure many people can agree. Most Harmonians accept what happend in canon, but that doesnt mean we can't enjoy Harry and Hermione's realationship in canon. As long as we accept what happen, its fine what we want to believe. If we want to believe that Harry and Hermione are the best suited couple in the series, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Personally I dont see another choice than accepting it. That doesnt mean we have to like it alright?

Wow....that's scary. Frankly, I don't care if people I've never met before hate me. It actually makes me laugh.
But i think the real reason we're so hated is b/c they may be jealous...yea they got cannon and their ship got married....but we got more on page/on screen momments than they. The public as a whole (non-book readers/ the media) seem to be keen on the idea of h/hr. Dan and Emma (the actors that portray our ship on screen) have more chemistry together than they do with the peope they're supposed to be paired with. So...they're on screen momments are probably going to be very lack-luster (like i doubt the ginny/harry kiss will get nominated by MTV...or that other awards show). Dan and Emma are always paired together...even on the teen vogue cover it was only Dan and Emma on the cover....but that's why i think so

Well, SOME OF YOU, did really insult her badly. Very few of you, but the lines were very, very strong. Same would have done the hard-core/obsessed/crazy Herons if their ship wouldn't happen. The problem on both sides is the extreme radical behaviour of some shippers.



Sorry, but really, I'm not making my life revolve around a ship! I'm not making myself bitter for a *ship*
I think I'll prefer to make myself bitter towards the "kind" teacher who didn't make me pass that important exam!!!!

Besides my ship didn't happen. My OTP is still D/G.
And Ron/Hermione was awfully portrayed in DH. I hated their silly kiss and all their whole relationship was mostly disappointing.

But that's how JK wanted it to be...good. Harry, Ron and Hermione are completely hers and she has the right of making them do whatever she desires...

NOW THIS IS SCARY!
Die!? For a ship to be canon? You can always have your ship inside of your soul, who cares if it happens or not in canon! It's there, into you, and that's enough evidence for you to keep believing. Who cares what others think? And who cares what others say?



that's the key...very well said, you're perfectly right. It may be not canon but why on hell would it be wrong!?



I'm sorry if these lines scared someone...have mercy, I didn't know how to explain myself... I'm not English...however it was referred to the hard-core JK fans...again I apologize.

IMO...
Harmonians are most hated because deep down all the other ships know the H/Hr we are not delusional. They see everything we see but just don't want to admit that they thought it might happen. Therefore they try to put us down as a way of making their ship look more glorious. Truth is all the other ships lack the friendship, trust, love, loyalty, and mutal repesect of H/Hr and everyone else is just jealous their ship is shallow.
(But again, that's only my opinion.)

I agree for the most part a lot (not all) Herons don't really have book moments or whatever the hell they are , they just have their lame as* interviews...but then again thats not all Herons.

I think the JKR-hating, and all other character-hating is just secondary. Everyone has a character they hate. Fandoms hate characters collectively. Author-criticism is a fact of fiction. I think those are just secondary stuff.

The primary reasons fandom grew to hate Harmonians are:

1) The author makes fun of us. Very minimally, I admit, but the author's the Guru of this entire thing, and the slightest rib is enough for fans like Emerson and Melissa to latch on to like bloodsuckers, thereby spreading the disease to their most ardent underlings (which from my perception is a lot). It doesn't help that there's a note of displeasure every time someone asks the author about "Harry and Hermione." It's a little hard to miss when she had always (well, I thought so, anyway. Many would disagree) been so frankly dismissive of the ship.

2) We really do come on repulsively strong sometimes. We sort of push our weight around, having this Holier Than Thou attitude of "Our fandom is much better than yours because we're smarter." If it annoys me, a fellow-Harmonian, I sure as hell think it annoys everyone else. It certainly grates at me when other ships do it to us, but Harmonians tend to do it en masse. I don't know if it's a defense mechanism developed from being hated, or we were like that before the hate. Chicken and the egg, maybe. Bu like I always say... no one likes to get talked down to.

That has nothing to do with it. I know most of H/Hr shippers will grab it as the main reason, but it's not.

The probability of H/Hr happening - honestly - none of my objections is because H/Hr was a real threat to R/Hr and H/G. I simply never thought them possible. In books 1-3 - sure, but when GOF came out - I completely dismissed it as a possibility. I like H/Hr friendship very much, but I never saw the point of expecting something more from them, when to me, R/Hr was simply it, it wqas just so ... obvious! It's like expecting San Marino to win the football match against Brazil, i.e. not very likely. At least to me that's how it was. I respect a different opinion, and I really don't mind H/Hr - I enjoy them in fanfics quite a lot, but I never saw the possibilty in canon for them.

I've been here for a year and a half, and this is how I see it. I don't *hate* any H/Hr shipper. I strongly dislike/d some of them, who are/were very loud in things they said because:

I've read thousands of posts here on Portkey, and what I dislike most is:

-the arrogance/superiority attitude, i.e. "we are smarter/better/we look deeper/herons only look on the surface/we're not sheep like them, we think with our heads, unlike herons who blindly accept everything that JKR says... This air of superiority over everyone who doesn't ship H/Hr - especially over those who ship R/Hr and/or H/G (ESPECIALLY H/G) is present in almost every thread. Sometimes I find it funny how H/Hr shippers claim they're being hated by others, but I challenge you to go to cosforums, and find a thread about H/Hr shippers. There isn't any. And then come back here and find a thread about Herons. You won't find only one, but plenty of them, and then go and find all the things that some of you wrote about herons/chocos... from my perspective, H/Hr is much less tolerant than any other ship (very unlike your name - harmonians)

- JKR bashing - she's stupid if she doesn't write H/Hr/she's immoral because R/Hr and H/G sends bad message to children/she doesn't know her characters/ I'll burn my books if H/Hr doesn't happen... It's one thing to not like a book, but to call an author immoral just because your ship didn't happen (and in a book which is NOT a romance novel) is very wrong imo. Harry and Hermione are her characters, and she has every right to do whatever she wants with them, and pair them however she likes. That's taking it very much too far, and I've read that line so so many times around here

-and the last but not the least is when people start taking it to a personal level - we harmonians are the ones who want true love, like the one of H/Hr, we're not shallow like Herons who only care about lust! I hate that. That is so downgrading, rude, condescending and arrogant. That's what I dislike more than anything else I've read here. And sadly, I have read also this quite a few times. Here is the only place that I could have read it, because I don't visit any other H/Hr site, I went to read harmonyforever forums two or three times, and that's it.

In the end, I want to emphasize, that I'm not accusing anyone here personally for any of this. I don't remember what everyone ever wrote, but in general, those are the things I disliked most. Some of it was said in defence, some of it in attack. I wasn't an angel either, but I never called or thought any of you delusional, and I don't like to be called a sheep only because I like canon ships either.

I think this is the first time ever I agreed with sunnystar.

I don't think I've ever been nice to Herons and Chocos who come here, but I do personally hate it when my fellow-Harmonians get this way. Makes my eyes roll, frankly. I don't want to seem like a traitor to the cause here, but it is what it is.


I've never really had objections per se to a bunch of people criticizing an author's work, and I don't think I've had issue with a bunch of people bashing any published author. In my opinion, published authors ought to suck it if fans don't like their work or if readers bash them. I get a bit annoyed when other readers seem to take the bashing of their favorite author personally, too. Many times, I think, "Jeez, get a grip. You're not JKR's keeper."

However, my main issue with the JKR-bashing is not that she's being bashed, it's that it's getting old. I'm just tired of hearing the same thing over, and over, and over, and over... well, you get my point.

Like, enough already. You've told me this before: ad nauseum.

You have got to be kidding me. I dont know how anybody could possibly believe that Harmonians arent tolerant. First of all this a Harry/Hermione site that actually allows people who are Herons and Choco's to join and post. I've been kicked out of some Ron/Hermione forums for believing in Harry/Hermione.

Second, people on this forum generally respect other people and their views. No MOD will EVER kick a Heron or Choco out for stating their opinion, even if its one they dont like. (Again something which has happend to me in all but a few Ron/Hermione forums that I enterd.)

Thrid, no one will ever call you names and insult you as a person. No one will ever call you as a person shallow because you are a Heron or Choco. They may call your ship shallow because thats there opinion. Just as some Heron's call Harry/Hermione, "disgusting and inscetious." If you go to a Ron/Hermione forum, no matter how civilised it is, and you are a Harmonian, you WILL be called Delusional and/or Illiterate. Its happend to almost every Harmonian here. Like I said in my first post, when I went to certain forum, everyone was familliar with me and we got on well. (This was a general forum). After I mentioned I'd have prefferd Harry/Hermione, I was called delusional, and illiterate, super bashed and name called, ridiculed and kicked out. This happened to me in a HP chatroom too. NEVER will you find any sort of behaviour like that on Portkey. Its one thing to call a ship shallow or inscestious, but insult the person by calling them rude names ("Illiterate, Shallow") is just unnaceptable. Lets be realistic here, if you mention you support Harry/Hermione to a Heron or Choco, MOST of them will call you delusional. Im not exaggerting that fact to the least.

This is also very true. I haven't encountered a RHr and HG forum that treats HHr shippers fairly. This isn't a great concern of mine, since I hardly ever venture to RHr and HG forums, but members and mods of such forums have been far-less tolerant of HHr shippers.

This is, however, beside the point. Harmony is not a generally well-liked ship.

I'll be straight up honest I hate the book for one simple fact..Continuity mistakes.

These alone make me loath the book and in so doing actually make me dislike the rest of the series now since it completely contradicts the other 6 books.

And yep I'll admit to being an overly arrogant reader who thinks he knows the books better than the author (and editors) because I can see the mistakes, point them out and the author, who created the series evidently can't.

But mistakes like this are the bane of my existence in literature. Hate them with a fury and will not and can not ever accept them.

Thats just me tho.

im Nobody

I think it's a very good sign when a particular ship isn't very liked and very often kicked from forums of the opposite ship because ( a ) that shows there's at least a particular grain of jealously in that of the opposite ship and they at least acknowledge our ship is possible (more than possible, really, but I'm trying to get inside a warped Heron's or Choco's head right now, so try and stay with me here) and ( b ) because societal beliefs are so cracked-up and dependent on mass stupidity, and our ship is so much in the minority, our ship therefore must be better than the common opinion (you know what).

~Alexius

Oh no, you didn't offend or scare me. It just reminded me why so many people (even though HP is such a phenom....a bunch of people have never picked up a book or watched a movie...i know many of them) think H.P. fans are "freaks" and borderline ...scary. (its why I still won't openly admit that I read HP sometimes....yes I'm that shallow, but atleast I don't hide it...that much). But, now really thinking about it, I think the one reason why we're so hated is bc the author didn't seem to care too much for us....HP fans are kinda scary though

One of the scariest. Real HP fans are Tribal.

I guess that makes me shallow as well because I still cant admit to people that im into Harry Potter lol. Some HP fans are really scary yeah, and I think a lot of people perceive them that way. When ever Harry Potter is discussed at the schools book club I want to go SO bad but I never do cause I dont want to look like a "nerd" or "freak".

Really? I admit to being an HP fan all the time. I get some looks because i don't look like the type of person who reads, much less reads HP.

I've never been embarressed about liking the books..well now I do but thats something else not on topic.

I use to talk to strangers about the books if I knew they read them, say like in line for the movies or at a book store or something. Most of those people could have cared less about the shipping aspects and if I'd ask almost to a person they thought H/H. But then again I never got aggresive over it outside of the online community.

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You must see that this kind of attitude is sort of the reason for a lot of the animosity that's directed at H/Hr shippers...

Not that I am defending that type of attitude, but how many Heron's have heard Harmonians out well enough to draw that conclusion? The majority of Herons or Chocos dont want to have to do anything with us the moment they find out we ship Harry/Hermione. The first thing they think is "Delusional" and thats the end of that. Majority of that group won't come onto our forums, read our essays with open minds, or actually discuss with us the reasons why we ship Harry/Hermione. They dont know us and/or attitudes of those certain people because they havent been around us that much. So I highly doubt that is a big factor in the animosity directed at Harry/Hermione shippers. I could see why a Heron who actually DOES join forums, reads essays, have discussions and debates, and has the gist of the attitude of certain people might feel that way. But not the general HP fandom. Do you sort of see what I'm trying to say?

Well I really think the whole hatred thing stems from the IoD I wasn't in fandom too long before but if I remember correctly shipping was a lot more Harmonian friendly. Really I think some of it came from JKR, Emerson, and Melissa's influence, but then some came from the Harmonians. The IoD set the negative tone and then Harmonians anger (sometimes too powerful) just fanned the flames... if the whole IoD had gone better, like JKR saying something like "respect other people's ideas" but instead she just basically went right along with the whole calling us delusional, oh I mean militant, perhaps we wouldn't be so hated.

But I must wonder does the hatred toward our ship really all goes down to JKR? Would Harmonians have been so angry if it werent for the IoD. Would Harmonians have had outbursts if she had respected us? Would a lot of Herons and Chocos use the whole delsuional thing if JKR had put a stop to Emerson? I Personally I didn't like HBP but I didn't "hate" JKR until after the IoD. I bet there were plenty of Harmonians who had been looking up to JKR for years, just like Herons and Chocos but instead of accepting us JKR shuned Harmonians everywhere. Maybe thats where the hatred for our ship comes from the author herself. Perhaps if only she had be kinder toward H/Hr things would have gone down completely different.

a also belive that the IOD was the source of the H/H hatred, when JKR gave her stamp of aproval to let the fandom to treat us like that it was allowed by JKR.

and like some ofyo uwrite i have a member of serveral other forum borh R/HR and H/G forum that where alot more frindlier before IOD after IOD they where alot more narrow minded and stricter towards H/H fans in there.
and i as yiu entioned that you where they the D word and then anvil reference.
then entire blame falls into you too R/HG and H/G as collective for not having gutz to support a fan instrad you followed like animals whay the wast majority did instead of thinking for your self that is like i se the R/HG and H/G a nimal that follows but does think for them self.

you should be happy that this ofrum has always been openminded to ANY ship outhre that you aren ot banned or treated like crap only beocuse you ship somethng outside H/H here, we give yo uatleast the benifit of doubt abd don´t ban you due of yor shipping preference or if you don´t post somethng that is not totaly aproved by the H/H communitiy here then you are not banned by this forum, on other forum that is excatly what happends.

and we have always cannon to support alot more posible H/H moments and caring compared to any other ship, we have tons of more moments we can refer too and have them IN PRINT compared to being told in INTERVIEWS or OFF page that hold equal little in mine eyes.
and they don´t like it and when you tell them those pesky little detail they get annoyed considering that the cannon ships doe not have much ON PRINT to work on instead of a loose line here and there that can be interpreted in 5 diffrent ways.
and as avid reader of all kind of litteratur my words are if it is in the book then is part of the book, interviews are not printed inthe book so, does do not hold any value in my eyes

you should be happy for portkey is so open minded nd tolerant towards any non harmonian ship out there , i still belvie it´s one of few places that you are not autbanned compared how we are treated outhere by your ship.
and you can talk to H/H fans without getting banned if you disagree with them an hold a debate with your point of view of the book.

I too believed that the hatred stems out from the IOD. But since we are back into that again, can someone ask JKR towards her animosity to Harmonians when she starts her book tour in the US and Canada? It was said in the news that she will do some reading and answer some questions, so hopefully someone can ask her that question so as to end this shipping war once and for all. If her answer is still the same as she did during the IOD, then for me, i would blame her for it and for fanning the flames without doing something to stop it.

Also, speaking of Harmonians being so hated, can someone explain then to me on why some herons are that disrespectful towards us and some have really close minds that having a harmonian supporter in their forums seemed like a curse and needs to be banished? Like Rodrigo, i would sauy that herons are given the freedom to express their minds here without being banned and all. But i have experienced myself logging into two Heron threads and tried to express my ideas here (like some herons) and I was banned the next week. How mean is that? Why are herons very close minded? If you are allowed to express your opinions here, why cant we there?

Perhops it could something along the lines of the reason why some people are homophobes; just as the homophobe may be insecure about their own sexuality, they may be insecure in their belief in their ship. After all, after the canon ships H/Hr is the second most likely ship, with sufficient (though apparently unintentional) canon moments to support it. Some Herons might be threatened by it, and the members the even more unlikely ships (slash, crossGen, Beauty and the Beast(Hermione/Draco) and others) may just be jealous that there's so much foundation for our ship.

And at least according to some professional reviewers (who never mentioned ships at all), deservedly so.

I admit that the failure of our ship to sail made it far easier to look for flaws in JKR's work; I'm equally sure that if Harmony had sailed, it would be the Herons criticizing the quality of her writing, and the Harmonians defending it.

The point is, according to many critics the last two books were flawed, in some cases badly so. DH especially had numerous instances of things that were either internally inconsistent or were in conflict with previously established canon. It also has elements that are just plain bad writing, the sort of stuff that earns negative reviews if posted by a fanfic author. That being the case, is it really surprising that some Harmonians still insist that JKR's choices as to the eventual pairings was flawed as well?

It is also quite possible to become disillusioned with an author, and for an author's series to significantly depart from its roots, to the series' detriment. The Anita Blake series is one such example, which has degenerated from a horror/detective series with interesting characters and clever plots to a series of horror?erotica with just enough plotline to call it a novel. I've read posts from readers who feel that the HP series peaked at book four, some even say book three. I think most Harmonians agree that their reaction to HBP was "WTF?", and being sandbagged by the IoD didn't help, especially since there was at least one scene in HBP that was a deliberate cheap shot at Harmonians.

So yes, some of us bashed the author. That's any reader's right; following one ship or another doens't take that away, though it leaves one open to charges of bias.

Very true

Is there alot of JKR bashing nowawadays from our camp? What's the definition of bashing exactly? Sometimes I get the feeling that any form of criticism is taken as bashing, which I disagree with greatly.. personal insults such as "she's ugly' or something like that may be out of line, but if people are actually criticizing her work with some actual valid points, then that I have no problem

Hey, if JKR expects to be able to freely criticize other authors such as C.S Lewis, then I think that she should be ###### prepared to be able to take it as well

We are hated simply because some R/Hr shippers are bunch of losers who are afraid of us and afraid that we may be right. It is as simple as that.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with "JKR bashing" or with behaviour of some H/Hr shippers. We were hated long before OOTP was published.

I can't believe this is turning into another free for all, WWF cage match. '-_-

Heh, yeah...I know those looks. I don't think people realize I'm nearly as nerdy as I am ...I don't admit to reading fanfiction, it would probably scare my family too much. But I've been reading fics since I was 10, so just about 8 years and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.

Agree with the bit about being embarassed for different reasons now...*ahem*




*dies laughing*

It is T_T

But really...hmm...

I can only guess, as I don't know anyone personally who hates Harmonians, but from what I've seen on various sites which collect H/Hr ######, I can imagine why so many fans who haven't, say, spent a lot of time on Portkey and have only seen the kind of outrageous comments collected on those sites might be disgusted.

Harmony does not seem to be the kind of ship that endears itself immediately, and the vast majority of fans on the internet will have no interest or time to look deeper at a ship once they've been exposed to some of the more extreme statements Harmonians have made that circulate the web. In closely-knit fandoms, the words of one fan may be taken by outsiders to represent the opinions of their fellows. This is why I tend to respond negatively to what I perceive as hyperbole on the forums when I notice it. Yeah, there's hyperbole on all fan forums, but I know that anything that smells of ###### might be exploited by those who hate Harmonians =/

Gah. I know. -.-

I'd like to know why other ships would be jealous of HMS Pumpkin Pie. Honestly, when it comes to shipping, the only thing (that makes sense to me) that other ships have to be jealous of is another one being canon. Yes, we have kick ass theories, but I assume that other ships think their theories are pretty great too, so why would they be jealous? =S

On the subject of the Interview of Doom, I think it generated a lot more hatred from the Harmonian side of things (as a fellow shipper, I don't see how anyone that ships H/Hr could not be offended by that, most especially by Emerson. And his behavior after the interview only justified our hatred for him. What a douche), which generated a lot of w@nk, which made other shippers hate us. And by other shippers, I don't mean just Good Shippers and Chocos, because some of you apparently think fandom is divided between these three ships and it's not.



Erm, how is it a reader's right to bash the author? -.- As I see it, it's a reader's right to criticize the author, not bash him/her or their work. (And I've bashed JK Rowling and the last two books, doesn't make it my right.)

Heres what I don't understand though the other shipping groups might not like us either but they don't waste their time coming onto our boards to insult us like Herons and Chocos do. Dramoniones Krumanionas, what ever other type of Hermione related shipping names exist, slashers, and trioers have NEVER had the nerve to come here and insult to us. So really it shouldn't be why we are hated but we are we bashed.