tomfelton
Aug 14 2003, 03:12 AM
HPcrazed182
Aug 14 2003, 06:23 AM
Of course Lucious wouldn't agree. And they will definately fight back. Which just makes this ship all the more fun.
LadyAkako
Aug 14 2003, 07:16 AM
in what universe is lucius supposed to agree?lol, its all for the dramatics that he won't..makes it so much more interesting to right when its them against the wide open world, huh?
DracoIsSessy
Aug 14 2003, 08:37 AM
yeh i dont really think Lucius is going to agree at all. Maybe Draco will go against his father in the end? Hm...

Ron n Herm 4 Ever

Draco n Ginny 4 Ever
Isnt it Obvious???
Mule
Aug 14 2003, 08:48 AM
I've actually read a couple of fics where Lucius starts the relationship by forcing them together. They say that he wants Ginny for some deep evil plan that's related to why he chose her for the chamber. They were really well written, but a little hard to believe. Overall, I think most people expect Lucius to disagree vehemently, and as much as Draco depends on his father for his own choices, we'll just have to see.
MalfoyMyFerret
Aug 14 2003, 11:26 AM
Canon!Lucius would never consent to any sort of relationship between Draco and Ginny. Then again, D/G in canon is highly unlikely.
The only way I would see Lucius agreeing/consenting to any sort of relationship to them in fanfics, is if it is some sort of arranged marriage deal that he had concocted himself with some sort of ulterior motive in which he would benefit greatly - and even that is pretty weak. Ginny is a Weasley, since when does Lucius approve of anything about them? He wouldn't want Draco anywhere near her, he thinks that they're muggle-loving filth. I think he would do anything he could to keep them away from each other.
Narcissa, though, I think is different. I've always seen her as a little loving, at least towards Draco - he is her son after all. Mothers tend to be more loving anyways. Even though she might be a little loving towards Draco, I don't think that makes her a nice person - Narcissa's characterization is not fixed, we really don't know that much about her. Just a few things. Yes, she seemed snobby in GoF, but what can you expect? She married a Malfoy - so she's probably arrogant. I don't think she'd be in favor of the idea of Draco being with Ginny, but I don't think she would be as bad about it as Lucius. She'd be a little bit more understanding to Draco's feelings, I think.
Then, you have to think about the Weasleys. Ron would have a fit upon finding out. Molly would probably be a little disappointed but then she'd be mothering over Draco, because Ginny, her baby girl, loves him. The Weasleys would be alright with it eventually I think. It would cause a lot of shock initially - he is a Malfoy. Arthur I can see having a problem with it. He and Lucius don't get along at all, so he wouldn't be so keen on the idea of Ginny being with him. He'd see Draco as a miniature Lucius. But he would tolerate Draco for Ginny's sake - he's that kind of loffly father.
EEP! I didn't mean for this to be such a long post! I just started...rambling. *whaps herself*
MalfoyMyFerret
tomfelton
Aug 14 2003, 11:20 PM
vanillapuf
Aug 16 2003, 08:32 PM
You mean, if Draco and Ginny are in a relationship, and they have quarrels, will they break up?
I don't think so. Heh, I always pictured them bickering and Draco's way of 'making up' being just grabbing Gin and giving her the shag of a lifetime. Then everything would be happy daisies. Heh.
Now I feel a bit compelled to quarrel with Draco myself... Yum.
Mule
Aug 16 2003, 09:29 PM
Hmm...interesting thought Vanillapuf. Lol. I think that if they quarelled they'd storm off for a couple of hours and then find each other and yell some more. Then they'd do as Vanillapuf suggested.
Sakura1287
Aug 17 2003, 10:42 AM
Yes, well, they both have very sharp tempers...
I'd think they have a few rounds of 'battle-of-the-wits", then they'd get so turned on by each others rage, that they'd forget what they were bickering about and just get it on right there.
I ddon't know, that's just my theory.
DracoZdarling89
Sep 1 2003, 01:30 PM
NO WAY will lucious agree but I think it's a bit of the whole Romeo and Juliet thing if he forbids it
RyokoJesse
Sep 1 2003, 03:10 PM
heheheh. Maybe Lucius has been under the Imperius curse the whole time!!!!!!!!!
Pshh...Yeah right.
Actually, the whole point is that he never
would agree, and thus Draco is a much more mature and dashing character when he denies his father for his one true love (but still hates the Dream Team)!!!!

(or Ginny goes evil.....)
DracoZdarling89
Sep 1 2003, 05:55 PM
Ginny evil? Uh I think that will NEVER happen! she is too much of a goody goody...or is she???????
Sakura1287
Sep 1 2003, 07:48 PM
| QUOTE |
| Ginny evil? Uh I think that will NEVER happen! she is too much of a goody goody |
Since when is Ginny a "goody-goody"? I don't remember reading it anywhere in canon. In book five she has 2 different boyfriends, the Weasleys all say she talks all the time, and she pines away after Harry for 3 books. A goody goody wouldn't waste her time doing that. If you're going to shut down someone's opinion, then please have backup for doing so, because alot of people believe that Ginny WILL go evil in the future, maybe if only temporarily.
mitzi_hunt
Sep 3 2003, 08:03 PM
I always thought that one of the more interesting elements of a D/G romance was that Lucius would never agree to it. Not only would you have an evil Death Eater trying to break the couple up, but you'd have Draco's internal struggle. It's pretty clear (to me at least) that Draco really wants to make his father proud. I've always wondered if Draco's feelings for Ginny would be strong enough to make him disobey his father and virtually give up his family name.
Mitzi
Sakura1287
Sep 3 2003, 08:17 PM
Give up his family name....
but draco Malfoy has such a nice ring to it...
Just kidding, I knew what you meant, mitzi
mitzi_hunt
Sep 4 2003, 07:25 AM
Oh, I don't know, Draco Weasley has a nice ring to it too.
RyokoJesse
Sep 4 2003, 02:59 PM
I thought it would be Ginny Malfoy?

~Ryoko~
Sakura1287
Sep 4 2003, 03:21 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking too...
but that means Ginny gives up her name, not Draco.
RyokoJesse
Sep 4 2003, 03:28 PM
Yeah I just thought that the girl gave up her last name normally.....but Draco Weasley? I never thought about that. It's enough to laugh over!!

~Ryoko~
*baby ice*
Sep 26 2003, 01:16 PM
I don't think their going to tell him and just elope. Has anyone said that in this? Its too late and I'm going mad!
I think that'll be really good if they just run away! That'll be wicked!
*baby ice*
Digurl
Sep 26 2003, 04:03 PM
Ginny Malfoy? I think it has a nice ring to it.
Aurora North
Sep 27 2003, 12:15 PM
Of course Lucius Will hate the idea of the next Malfoy heir beeing a *shudder* Redhead.
I mean, how would you people feel if your granchild was assumed to be poor just because your sun had lousy taste in women. Honestly... Mudbloods and Weasley, what is the world coming to.
SamiJo
Sep 27 2003, 01:38 PM
| QUOTE (*baby ice* @ Sep 26 2003, 09:16 PM) |
| I don't think their going to tell him and just elope. |
I have to agree. They would just elope and not tell him or her family
jadespinnet
Oct 19 2003, 06:02 PM
Lucius seems like the kind of person that would kill his child if the Voldemort asked him to. Soooooo, I think that yeah he'll be pretty pissed if he learns that his son is disobeying him, because then nobody would listen to him. That's my theory. He probably wants Draco to marry into wealth and status.
Sassychic807
Oct 19 2003, 09:07 PM
I agree with you Jade, he would kill his son if asked, but the thing I'm wondering about is a heir to the Malfoy wealth, status and whatnot. Draco is an only child, and Narcissa and Lucius are getting up in age.... So I wonder if he would go to the extreme and kill Draco (which is plausible) or try to deter him using force. (i.e. Unforgivables).
On the othetr hand... did JK actually say Draco was an only child? I believe she did in Book 1 but that was such a long time ago, and I believe some mention of an other would have been made by now. However, if I hasn't been etched in stone its possible....
RyokoJesse
Oct 20 2003, 10:11 AM
Sassychic, I'm pretty sure there was never any proof about Draco having siblings. Although he acts like an only child and there was never a brother or sister mentioned, there still could be another influence in his life that no one knows about. He could have a brother who was eighteen when Draco was born, and that year he moved out and became a DE, or maybe he denounced the Dark Arts so Lucius decided not to deal with him. I've read a few fics with Draco having a brother, and I have to say I've really enjoyed them, and the authors said that there was no evidence against it in the books, and there still hasn't been in OotP.
I understand what you mean about Lucius wanting an heir, and yes, Cissa and him are getting kind of old....but then again, why would Lucius want his riches to go to a son who doesn't honor his wishes? Or a son who maybe isn't a DE, or is a spy against Voldemort? He would rather kill his son, I think, than have his money used for good or to help Muggles and such. And he probably wouldnt have to worry, what with Voldemort on his side. Voldie would pick some random child of someone like Bellatrix LeStrange and have them grow up in Lucius' care. At least, that's how I see it.
~Ryoko~
vanillapuf
Oct 20 2003, 10:26 AM
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| Sassychic, I'm pretty sure there was never any proof about Draco having siblings. Although he acts like an only child and there was never a brother or sister mentioned, there still could be another influence in his life that no one knows about. He could have a brother who was eighteen when Draco was born, and that year he moved out and became a DE, or maybe he denounced the Dark Arts so Lucius decided not to deal with him. |
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| On the othetr hand... did JK actually say Draco was an only child? I believe she did in Book 1 but that was such a long time ago, and I believe some mention of an other would have been made by now. However, if I hasn't been etched in stone its possible.... |
JKR did tell us Draco was an only child, though not in Book 1, rather in Book 5. On the tapestry which includes the family tree of the Black Family, Narcissa and Lucius are mentioned.
"A double line of gold emrboidery linked Narcissa Black with Lucius Malfoy, and single vertical gold line from their names led to the name Draco."
- OotP, The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black, pg. 113, American Edition.
(emphasis mine)
The phrase "single vertical gold line" very strongly confirms any past suspicions of Draco being an only child. Also, if there had been any other children recorded on the tapestry, Harry would have noticed.
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| I understand what you mean about Lucius wanting an heir, and yes, Cissa and him are getting kind of old.... |
Pfft, if anybody's parents are getting old it's the Weasleys'. They're the ones with adult children. I think Lucius is a smidgeon older than Harry's parents would have been, about four or five years older, and if they had Draco when Lucius was 21/22, he would only be 36/37. That's not old enough to be worrying about your heir inheriting your fortune - my parents are approaching their sixties and they're not worried about dying any time soon.
| QUOTE |
| Lucius seems like the kind of person that would kill his child if the Voldemort asked him to. Soooooo, I think that yeah he'll be pretty pissed if he learns that his son is disobeying him, because then nobody would listen to him. That's my theory. He probably wants Draco to marry into wealth and status. |
If Voldemort asked him to - that's the key phrase there, jade. Lucius would kill himself, I think, if Voldemort asked him to. But if Lucius found out about a D/G situation, I doubt he would go to Voldemort and ask for parental advice. "Draco's shagging a Weasley, Tom, any ideas on what I should do? Kill 'im? Yeah, alright."
I think Lucius would want to keep it quiet because he wouldn't want to be humiliated by Voldemort for not being able to keep his offspring in line. It would be rather embarrassing to him, he would go blabbing it about.
RyokoJesse
Oct 20 2003, 10:39 AM
| QUOTE |
JKR did tell us Draco was an only child, though not in Book 1, rather in Book 5. On the tapestry which includes the family tree of the Black Family, Narcissa and Lucius are mentioned.
"A double line of gold emrboidery linked Narcissa Black with Lucius Malfoy, and single vertical gold line from their names led to the name Draco." - OotP, The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black, pg. 113, American Edition. (emphasis mine)
The phrase "single vertical gold line" very strongly confirms any past suspicions of Draco being an only child. Also, if there had been any other children recorded on the tapestry, Harry would have noticed. |
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I did it again. I'm a fool. *smacks head* Sometimes I just can't get anything right. That's why you're the super-cool mod, Puf,a dn I'm not.
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| Pfft, if anybody's parents are getting old it's the Weasleys'. They're the ones with adult children. I think Lucius is a smidgeon older than Harry's parents would have been, about four or five years older, and if they had Draco when Lucius was 21/22, he would only be 36/37. That's not old enough to be worrying about your heir inheriting your fortune - my parents are approaching their sixties and they're not worried about dying any time soon. |
Well, even though you're right that Lucius and Narcissa were probably around the saem time as James and Lily, no one knows for sure how old they are, or wether they went to school with them or not, right? So, in truth, their exact age is still unknown. I didnt mean that they might be dying (though you're right also that even at age sixty, you really dont need to worry about death yet) but more is Narcissa young enough to have another heir? To birth another child? My mom sure isn't and she's about 48.
Which makes me think that Lucius might just dump Narcissa (though I know how you feel about that one, Puf) and get another wife for the job, as wrong as it sounds. Personally I dont like to think that Lucius would do that, but you never know what JK Rowling thinks of her characters, and she really is the Mistress here.
~Ryoko~
vanillapuf
Oct 20 2003, 10:54 AM
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| Well, even though you're right that Lucius and Narcissa were probably around the saem time as James and Lily, no one knows for sure how old they are, or wether they went to school with them or not, right? So, in truth, their exact age is still unknown. |
Yes, it's true their age is not confirmed anywhere. I think the oldest Lucius could be 40/41. Narcissa, we don't know if she's older or younger, but if she's in the same radius, it's not 48 like your mother. It depends on when Narcissa starts menopause, I suppose [God, I can't believe I'm discussing this], but women have been know to have children even in their early forties. A good
essay I read addresses Lucius's age and says he ought to be about 41. I quote her,
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we address the issue of age. As my LJ name suggests, forty-one is, indeed, the answer. It is with regret that I inform the fandom that Lucius is nowhere near sixty, nor did he attend school at the same time as the elder Weasleys, and was certainly not around during Tom Riddle's years. What part of "50 years was before his time" do you all not understand? That showed up in CoS, and two books later, people still assume that he just waited forever and a day to have children. Assuming that Snape is thirty-seven (37) in OotP, Lucius was in his fifth year when MWPP started Hogwarts -- and that depends entirely on his exact date of birth. In any case, he is, indeed, an MWPP contemporary.
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Anyways, even if they are 40ish - it's not that old, and Narcissa is probably still fertile. [Again, ick - I never thought this would come up

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| Which makes me think that Lucius might just dump Narcissa (though I know how you feel about that one, Puf) and get another wife for the job, as wrong as it sounds. |
Maybe not even another wife - he could just use a mistress and pass it off to the public as it being he and Narcissa's to prevent controversy. Though the child would not be as pretty, without the gorgeous genes Narcissa and Lucius have to contribute.

Funniness aside, he really is rather the PowerChild. The Blacks were apparently a very powerful wizarding family - almost royalty, Sirius said - and judging by Lucius's power and riches, the Malfoys must have been as well. A union like that is amazing. Not to mention the perfect genes I hinted at - Lucius and Narcissa were pretty people. Draco has power, money, good looks... you wouldn't be able to replicate an heir like that with some mistress.
But again, the key thing is if he would be so angry that he would kill/disown him. Maybe. We don't really know how far deep his evilness [not a word, i know] goes.
RyokoJesse
Oct 20 2003, 11:24 AM
heheh, evilness. that's great.

And that's some good evidence, thanks for clearing it up, Puf. (even though you had to talk about such dirty things, lol

)
~Ryoko~
Sakura1287
Oct 20 2003, 06:28 PM
Interesting... the birthing capabilities of Narcissa...
I think I might just stay out of this one, guys...
Sassychic807
Oct 20 2003, 10:40 PM
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Maybe not even another wife - he could just use a mistress and pass it off to the public as it being he and Narcissa's to prevent controversy. Though the child would not be as pretty, without the gorgeous genes Narcissa and Lucius have to contribute.
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Mmm Nah, I doubt that would work. We all know that Lucius is a fiend when it comes to bloodlines and status, thus it would be totally unlike him to pass of a bastard for his own. If anything he would want to bank on more of that Black/Malfoy power. Yo, Narcissa doesn't have a younger sister does she? *Sassy is having sinister thoughts* haha
minerva moon
Nov 29 2003, 02:36 PM
Ginny Malfoy has a better ring to it than Ginny Potter, don't you think and I agree, the only reason that Lucius would agree to their relationshipwas if he had some sinister plan of his own to use her and or draco to benefit Voldemort; So eloping would be their best bet.
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