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I loved the parts in which Harry would hold Hermione's hand, or vice versa. It was very nice, even though I think JKR only wrote that to make sure we didn't hunt her down.

I loved the Graveyard scene, and all of the small moments the two would share with each other. And, Oh My! Riddle!H/Hr!! I nearly squeled in delight!! I didn't care if it was Voldemort, but it was still "Harry" and "Hermione"!! *giggle* At least, now, we know who Voldemort ships!

Sorry, getting off topic.

But, yeah, all of the little moments the two would share with each other. Those were wonderful.

For the record, your avatar is my favorite i've seen on the whole forum

I loved the 'tasty' comment, and... when you think about it... Hermione has seen Harry naked now (along with everyone else, lol). The hand holding, when she was crying and he put blankets over her, him being nice about the cooking and the wand. The graveyard- lol and the 'kissing gate'!

And Hermione staying behind to be with Harry instead of Ron!

They both got excited at the same time about things, and worked together in Godric's hollow.

And I can't wait to see that riddle-kiss in the 7 movie!

Oh, and he ripped his shirt off in front of her, after she 'nursed him to health'. And who knows what weird ranting things she heard when he was in the dream...

What page is that on?
I didn't even see that or I'm just blind. xD

I know that there're many moments that scream H/Hr!!!!! and show large amount of careness...and how close they are together.

But what I still can't get is "What went wrong?" after Godric's Hollow, when she 'broke' his wand, and Ron came back.....I sense that their relationship just went downhill from there. The touching and holding hands still, but no major moment after this.

On the contary....we have Ron and Hermione "trip to the Chamber of Secret"....and the hollywood kiss (swing her around?.....I think she took that from some cheesy hollywood film)....and at the end, I don't see Harry and Hermione talk to each other. It's like their relationship was ruined after the wand-breaking incident

Actually their realationship did falter after Ron came back I have to admit, and thats hard being the Ron fan than I am. However I disagree that everything went down hill from the wand breaking incident. In fact one of the very best incidents was at that chapter.



Its so beautiful it makes me want to cry...

In fact there was more than just the grave scene that was beautiful. Harry and Hermione strolled down the village remember? Looking at the houses just holding on to eachother. They were also very protective of eachother in Batilda's house.

Another favorite qoute.

Yes!!! But that's it!! It's like after what happen at Batilda's house (Hermione 'break' Harry's wand) it's the end of their 'special' friendship.

Take a look at the last couple of pages, not the epilogue ca@p.....but I don't see Harry looking nor wanting nor seeking to talk with only Hermione, or the talk that Hermione is the sentence of the subject. Not I don't see Hermione talks with Harry. The last sentence Hermione said, I don't have a book at hand (And wont'....it's in the fridge...frozen) was directed at Ron, saying "I think Harry's right"....see?..even though in response to Harry...she directs that to Ron...instead of "I think you're right, Harry".....

When I said everything....I literally mean it, perhaps they didn't fall apart at the same time, but at nineteen years later....they don't even talk to each other.....nor look for that matter.

Pg. 630 US

"It's that Mudblood! Avada Kedavra!"
Harry saw Hermione dive aside, and his fury that Crabbe had aimed to kill wiped all else from his mind.

pg. 346...

"I couldn't get the horcrux off you." Hermione said, and he knew she wanted to change the subject. "It was stuck, stuck to your chest. You've got a mark; I'm sorry, I had to use a servering charm to get it away. The snake bit you too, but I've cleaned the wound and put some dittany on it.."
He pulled the sweaty t-shirt he was wearing away from himself and look down..

Lol, and this leaves wiggle room for fics:

"And I've been... what, unconscious?" [harry] "Not exactly," said Hermione uncomfortably "You've been shouting and moaning and... things."
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I also loved the point where Harry 'felt' Hermione's pain. Which seemed odd and VERY shippery.

You know, for the first 200 odd pages i actually believed, more than ever, that we were heading for a Harmony ending. It was so h/hr centric that i had to put the book down and stroll around to compose myself. Then it all just fell apart.

Oddly, I'm not that upset. After HBp I was gloomy for months but this book screams subtext H/hr. By now everyone has said the main bits (the tasty comment, the graveyard, Ron's rant) but to me the whole thing reeked of H/Hr.

What's annoying for me is the writing. H/Hr in the words used. For example, when Harry thinks of all the people he loved as he passed the Great Hall on the way to die who does he think of first? "There was no hint of Hermione." Ron, Ginny and Luna follow but Hermione is first. I liked it but I hated it too. And there were several instances of Harry thimking about hermione and her reactions to certain things. It was like OotP.

I just dont think JKR has the grasp of writing relationships that she means - the best ones, it seems, happen by accident

I love the scenes where Harry and Hermione are all left alone in the tent. Yeah, maybe they are not speaking to each other on the first few days when Ron left, but hey, it's a real good thing because there would be no Ron at all, disturbing for any possible shippery thing that can happen between Harry and Hermione.

I also like this one:


AND THIS ONE:


I never knew Voldie shipped H/Hr. LOL



Harry never closed his eyes when Ginny lightly touched him or stuff like that, didn't he? Harry seemed to relax a bit on Hermione's caring touch. <3

The Wedding p121 UK version



As if it's the wedding ceremony of Harry and Hermione.

I loved that bit I thought *foreshadowing* Hermione looks at Harry with such emotion during a wedding? Why did bits like that have to be there if they werent meant to be? Tut, tut...JKR - you really have missed a trick on this one.

Here's some aftermath of the wand breaking incident. Beautiful moments.



This next one was intresting
Dont really understand it.



Here's another sweet one.


Tender, loving, and sweet, caring.

I'm not that far in the book. I'm taking my sweet time digesting all the OBHWF, but I have also noticed loads of Harmonian moments. As someone already mentioned, Harry thinks of Hermione twice while he's at the dursley's (pages 14 and 21). Then we have this wonderful hug on page 45

And of course, Hermione's hysterical proclamation on 50

Another hug on 72, when Hermione arrives at the burrow That line implies that Hermione took definite pleasure in Harry. Of course, Hermione also hugs Ron when he returns

Then on page 85, Hermione does her trademark arm!grip on Harry.

Harry also looks ready to comfort her when he upsets her in Chapter Six, but the new-and-improved Ron gets to her first.

Here's a subtle moment on page 102 when Hermione is explaining how she found the books about Horcruxes Harry always did admire Hermione's brains.

Anyways, that's as far as I've gotten. No need to rush into the next chapter where Ginny-Sue offers herself to Harry.

I could be wrong of course,but I think part of the reason why Harry tells Ron he loves Hermione like a sister,is because he doesn't want Ron to think he has any romantic feelings for Hermione,since he suspects Ron is already in love with her. Harry is already in love with Ginny,so he gives Ron the blessing by telling him that he doesn't want to pursue her as a love interest. Of course from what you guys have been saying about Harry's actions towards her in the chapters when Ron isn't with them could be interpreted otherwise. I see there's mention of how he closes his eyes when she touches his head with her hand in an almost healing way. I know the Herons would interpret it as mothering,but as most of you have said,you don't see him have that kind of reaction to Ginny touching him in a calming way. You have to love the H/Hr moments for what they are,even if they don't lead to romantic relationship between them,they're still the coolest scenes in the books.

I dont see how letting your hand brush a guys head and him closing his eyes at your touch can be sisterly, motherly, OR something just a friend would do to be honest

It's not really 'platonic'...

I hated the R/Hr (the butchering of the characters to suit the ship) and the H/G (can you say "shallow"?), but I loved a lot of things in this book, especially the Harmony interaction. You guys have already listed out most of my favorite moments, but I'd just like to say that one of the things I really found interesting was that Harry says "I love her like a sister", but never, never, NEVER thinks it.

I mean, think about it. Harry says it out loud (to Ron, who he believes is in love with Hermione, by the way) but it seems odd that he never thinks something along the lines of "he couldn't understand why Ron felt this way; after all, he had never thought of Hermione as anything but a sister".

Herons and Chocos like to say that if Harry doesn't think it, he doesn't feel it (and if he says it, it's not necessarily hard fact). So my poor, delusional mind likes to think that Harry is determined to see his best friends happy and he believes they'll be happy together. So he lies to Ron, ignores his own feelings for Hermione, and goes for the shallower, physical relationship with Ginny. To me, it fits. Later, when he takes Ron back to the tent, he "can't wait to wake Hermione up". Why? Because he believes she'll be happy once she sees Ron.

*sigh* Delusional, delusional, but oh, how I love it!

Oh, and I also find it extremely ironic that the only person Harry ever says he loves out loud is Hermione. No "I love you" to Ginny and we never hear it from her. In fact, he never even thinks of Ginny and "love" in the same sentence unless it also includes Ron, Hermione and the other Weasleys. And we never see Ron or Hermione say it to each other.

Well I haven't finished the book, so this is me being all judgemental, but I'm wondering if somewhere along the way, JKR changed her mind. Either from H/Hr->R/Hr or R/Hr->H/Hr. If the former, maybe she was originally going to have Ron die and H/Hr get together, but she read too many fan fictions or something and was brainwashed into happy OBHWF babies. If the latter, maybe she started to see the beauty of it as she wrote all those sweet scenes in the various books, but wanted to stay firm to her original plan, although she struggled.

Because those gems are just too adorable to mean nothing. I refuse to believe they are just there for kicks, or becuase JKR wanted to torture us. (Or maybe she really is that cruel)

But I'm pretty sure she added The Kiss just to make us shut up. Or something of the sort. Maybe she felt at least a little sympathy for us.

Something I noticed that I don't understand is we have everything. Everything is there for it to be H/Hr. It's all there. The love, the caring, the affection, the friendship, even an kiss is there. The only thing lacking is for it all to be put together to create the big picture. JKR created all that was needed for it to work out, but she tried with all her might to keep the pieces far apart. They're like magnets with opposite poles being forced apart. I don't get it. i guess I never will.

I thought the same thing. the only 'i love you' we here Hqarry, Ron , Hermione, or Ginny comes from Harry saying he loves Hermione. No matter what form of love he said it was, it was more than Ginny got.

That must be so frustrating if Harry said that he loves Hermione and Ginny hears them. That must so frustrating for the girlfriend. But honestly, did that thought alone didnt occurred to JK? I mean she writes the books but she didnt notice that?

The perfect H/Hr scene for me in DH that really showed the foundation of Harry and Hermione's relationship and the depth of it is the scene in Godric's hallow. That's what a relationship is all about. Its about trust, understanding, loyalty, sensitivity and LOVE.

Its probably been mentioned a million times before, but the H/Hr cemetery scene in Godric's Hollow was the scene for me. I knew R/Hr was inevitable, but the fact that Hermione was there for Harry in one of his most vulnerable moments is just... Even if it isn't an overly romantic moment (it did seem almost sibling like), I'd take that unwavering loyalty and support over the R/Hr snog any day.

I don't think it's brothery-sistery thing at all, all those at Godric's Hollow. It's too beautifully romantic to be all siblingly about it. It really does bear some romantic conotations.

Had they not gone to Bathilda's house and had that little 'wand' accident. I think they'll snog the living brain out of each other in front of his house or something. So close to Harry realized that Hermione is so right for him, and she's been waiting for him for...4 years?

God forbid they already 'technically' been "bounded for life" since Bill and Fleur's wedding......that beaming was too much to let by.....I don't look at my sister when someone get married......

Well.....I've been posting about what went wrong after that...so...It's a pure JK set up. They don't really need that wandering off to Bathilda's house, we get the idea that Voldy is trying to kill Harry....no need to put that in to inturrupt the romantic flow.

But she said that all the character has their own life, and Hermione is the one wandering off the course often....I think she puts the Bathilda's house scene, and the wand breaking to push her back to JK's sense of 'luv'....so great, eh?

Absolutely. The GH scene is subtle, restrained yet full of feeling. That's way a love scene should be written. That's the way I imagine that Jane Austen would have written a H/Hr love scene. It just boggles my mind. How can someone who appreciates Jane Austen's writing NOT know how badly she wrote the R/Hr, H/G scenes? Oh well, we can always speculate about what Harry and Hermione did once they got to the kissing gate!

I loved the graveyard scene, since she conjures the flowers for him to leave on the graves to when they leave, her arm around his waist and his own around her shoulders.

Then there are others, through the whole book, but they are smaller.

I must admit those Riddle-harrya nd Riddle-hermione kissing were the first thing Voldemort did that I liked, lol. Maybe he's a shipper like us...lol

Harry and Hermione.org has a list of Harmony quotes (or H/Hr interactions) from DH.

http://www.harryandhermioneorg.portkey.org/home.php#1

It's amazing the # of times Harry "seizes her hand," it's got to be at least a dozen times throughout the book.

oh yeah, I took count of them too...I've kept a list of all the little or big moments that occur between them, while reading the book. lo, I was reading and then I'd suddenly go to my desk and jot something down about one of their moments...

perfectly well said.
H/hr has "everything' in this book. It is like H/hr "final bible"(well that is what I think)
Expect for them to have POTTER/GRANGER HAPPY FAMILY AT END.

The two have everything they would need to fall in love with each other....they even have the feeling!!!!! Heck!!!

The only thing they didn't have, is the epiphany....On Harry's side. I trust that Hermione had hers long ago.....but for Harry, as dumbwitted with girls as he is.....needs a big epiphany. Like Krum telling him...."Why aren't you and Granger together yet?"....sadly...we had Harry gone undercover......how sad.

Had Harry have his epiphany that Hermione is his everything, there's no chance for R/Hr and H/G.....not at all.

Now, Krum telling Harry that would have really made Ron angry...he already was with the mere presence of the bulgarian!

I think Hermione's epiphany came in OOTP. She may have feelings starting to sprout out for Harry. but since Harry fancies Cho and Ginny coming to her for advice plus seeing the dangers if Voldermort knows that someone close to Harry loves him that way, I think she pushed her feelings aside. That's why she didnt pursue him but continues to help him.

I think harry needs to have a wake-up call training. He is blind all these years. People have seen his special connection with Hermione except him. Victor Krum saying that blunt line would be nice. Bless him



If Ron will hear Krum say that, he would be mad. Imagine Ron going up against the Bulgarian Bon-bon? That would be funny.

Hermione might have pushed her feelings aside, but I can't help saying to myself that she should have taken her own shot especially when it was over with Cho. And the thing with Voldemort mgiht have been an obstacle, BUT I don't think this would have been a major obstacle at all since we all know since Harry became friends with Hermione, she always puts a lot on the line whenever it is to help Harry because she knows that when it comes down to it he's going to do the same in a way he would never do to anybody else.

Harry NEEDS that wake-up call badly. I think Krum or Rita Skeeter might just do it.



I can see that scene and describe it as well.

We have Weasley... and Krum... and here they gooooo! Weasley and Krum... some people trying to get them apart, but they want to go! Here they go! Weasley firing punches and Krum going at it! Everyone is crumbling at it and the crowd is going bananas (LOL!!!)

Sorry, I couldn't resist at that. I guess I should have been a sports commentator at times.

I think Hermione's epiphany came in OOTP too but she definatly burried her feelings deep inside. But still, the part of her that cared too much for him, too much for her own good still remained. And it remained throughout.

It's a shame because burying something as huge as that is never good for anybody. If she was ready to put a lot on the line for Harry countless times and made it through every time, normally I guess nothing should have kept her from releasing these feelings from inside no matter what obstacle stands up front.

lol, how you described it is hilarious! However, i think she should have given it a shot if she indeed kept her feelings hidden...


I can see only one reason for her to not act on her feelings, and that is she might have thought Harry would be happier without knowing, as he would never reciprocate her anyhow, so her telling him or showing him in a more clear way might have ruined their friendship, or so she might have thought.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that H/Hr became soulmates over the course of the series,yet JRK decided to separate them from a possible romance,due to certain circumstances. Go back to POA,when he's opening his birthday presents from his friends. No one elses present but Hermione's broomsitck service kit impresses him the most,because he felt she must have really thought it was something he could use. Thematically the kit remains linking device between them in one form or another throughout the third book,until their time-turner adventure becomes the first sign of their chemical wedding.

I guess Rowling felt that it would be harsh for Ron to not get the girl,since his best friend already has fame and fortune. So she had to construct a storyline that would separate any chance of H/Hr becoming a couple and you see the beginnings of it in GOF. All the evidence was present,even in DH for H/Hr to grow into a couple,but she made the choice particularly for Hermione by making Ron her only option. Unlike Harry's mom who could always go back to her family,Hermione's parents are taken away from her and that it appears she like Harry,doesn't have any other family that love them besides the Weasleys. It's something I don't agree with,but she had to come up with some last minute if not rushed excuse for tryin to make the last two books fit her original epilouge. Why she broke away from the book she so vehemently said influenced her work,we'll never know.

Then I would even thought even lower of Rowling if that was true.
Harry did have fame and fortune and what prize what that ? he is an orphans that is living like an house elf at this aunt house. I did never wonder that Harry was so nice with the Houseelf: because he was one when he lived at the Durlsleys.
The way she treated the Granger angered me as well: well they are muglles so no worth even a post scriptum. Great message there. So because they are muggles they are a under race and no worth your attention. What a pity and this women really believe that family love is the most important, my ass.
Jo is simply to enamoured in the Weasley the Holy Family of her world.

So JK thinks like Ron...Harry is a lucky guy, because really, who wouldn't like to be orphan at one, being left in the care of relatives who hate you and mistreat you for ten years, before knowing who you really are, and knowing a madman, the same who killed your parents, is out there wanting to kill you too. You're famous, and rich, so who cares for all the sufferings you go through in your Hogwarts years, you're already lucky enough so you should not get the girl.

Right, if this was what she thought, she's even worse at even only imagining romance than I thought...

I loved the part in DH during the wedding when Hermione looks at just Harry and smiles as Bill and Fleur are being married.

It was the cutest thing I've ever read.

And Godric's Hollow with the kissing gates and the arm in arm and the aww.

This book had so much pumpkin goodness, I almost melted into pumpkin juice. --Well, full of Harmony until the whole Epilogue thing.

well said..
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This may not be a 'canon' moment, but it's what I took from one of the fanfiction from here, called "The Tent". Not by me, but an author named "Wilkes".

I really do apologize for using fanfiction as a prove for a H/Hr moment, but this is pretty much what I've thought about them together, through the years, all what they (just two, pretty much) been through.

Basically, a seven year of their friendship in recap, just the highlights....

My favorite best H/hr moment: Is just two of them in that Tent alone together from all chapter Grodric Hallow though chapter 18, but to bad Ron came back....

I didnt mind Ron coming back as much, I was really happy when he saved Harry's life. But as soon as he stabbed Harmony with a sword (literally), I kind of lost all happiness.

I knew Ron would be back, I hoped he would take more time to do that...but what really struck me as the end of Harmny was how much he screamed when she was tortured. Don't know why but that closed all hopes of HHr for me. Well, I knew about the crapilogue already so I had not much hope...but that scene really was the end for me.

what do you mean? he stabbed Harmony with a sword...

I meant the destroying locket scene where he stabbed the locket and in turn, stabbed the image and all prospect of Harry and Hermione.

I really like this part.

UK, Bathilda's Secret, pg 279, Harry yelled'


UK, Bathilda's Secret, pg 281, James yelled


It's like Harry kind of repeating his father's words.

Wow I never thought of it that way! Same situations, same thinking, warning of their loved ones that Voldemort is coming, simmilar wordings. Short and simple yet poweful.