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Hermione's sigh about Harry/Cho
Hermione broke up Harry's talk with Cho

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Hey guys! Sup? I've been a guest here for a long time, and I thought that I might as well sign up so I could participate in posting. Anyway, back to my topic....in OOTP people have discussed the whole situation with Cho being jealous of Hermione...which by the way is true and of course VERY obvious. But, while I was reading it I also sensed that Hermione was jealous as well.

First there's the obvious "frown" that Hermione gave when she asked Harry if they kissed. She frowned....hello?! There's the first clue!! It's so obvious that she's jealous, but she's trying extra hard to hide it.

For example, when Harry had his first date with Cho and when he was talking about it to Hermione...I firmly believe Hermione was fishing for a compliment when she told Harry she should have told her he thought she was ugly. I know for a fact, because that's what I totally did with my crush. To my crush I said, "Whatever, you don't even care about me anyway.." He was like, "Margaret...I adore you." *sigh* Seee!? Every girl does it and it was obvious Hermione did some fishing. I just wish Harry would soon get his head out of the clouds and realize that Hermione is the only girl that will ever love him and understand him!! *sigh*

Hi! Harry's Mistress: Welcome to the forum!

Okay, since you've brought up these points about Hermione being jealous, here's a long post by Mad Eyed Mike that actually discusses the whole sequence, line by line (well, almost). Enjoy!

http://talk.portkey.org/index.php?showtopic=2270&st=0

BTW I wouldn't use the word, 'jealousy', I would use the term 'extreme displeasure'!

Thanks! I read that though awhile ago. I did do some browsing a lot before I finally signed up. He had some awesome points in there, I was reading it like it was a novel! hehe.

Nice terminology, thereader, I find I agree. She is very jealous and displeased about this...and I agree. She was definitely fishing.

well, hermione is too smart... i mean of course she'd let everyone think she doesn't have feelings for him.... I mean she's not the obvios type.... and to her advantage her friendship with Harry is a very good excuse but I wonder how long she could hold on to that... I hope she says something or Harry would realize something and quick!!!!

We're probably going to have to wait until Book 7, but that's okay with me...it'll give R/Hr shippers about five more years to tell us it's obvious (I'm betting book 7 comes out in 2008) before our victory day...

I was hoping someone would say something about this .I just got a vibe telling me that hermione was not so .....pleased about Harry and cho I mean Ron was jumping off the walls but Hermione was like the person who says :big deal who cares: maybe it's the way jk. wrote it, but i'm gonna ask my mom she is good with emotions and feelings it's in her job.

spell check is great!

Oh My Goodness. I knew there had to be a thread about this somewhere! It's so true that she was fishing for Harry's ... um... attention could we call it? Well at least a compliment. And Harry's honest so of course that made her feel special!!! I don't think that Ron was all too happy though because he wanted to have Ginny and Harry together, remember? But yes, Hermione wasn't too happy about Cho and Harry.

Love Millie

I relised that too!!!

I think that Hermione likes Harry very much!! She used the letter she was writting to Krum like an excuse and she was absent while he was talking to Ron about the kiss!!!

Read the theory by Mad-Eye Mike in Pumpkinpie's Army...he has a real good take on this...

Well let's face it, Harry's not blind he can see Hermione has grown into a cutie over the past year but he wants to keep their friendship intact for now. Plus I couldn't get over how much she was trying to compliment Harry's crush on Cho after he got back from his first kiss. I thought she was going way over the top trying to agree with him about the situation,but I also liked when she said ron had the emotional range of a teaspoon. That's gotta hurt a 15-year old guy's ego.

that's a good point thereader "ur link" very good point to make it a r/hr ship n show who's jealous...she is soooo jealous of cho

She's jealous like hell...she's acting the same way Ron did with Krum, but much, much more maturely and is better at hiding it.

This scene is from OoP Us ed. HB pg 571-2

Cho Chang walked into the hall with her friend Marietta. Harry's stomach gave an unpleasant lurch, but she did not look over at the Gryffindor table and sat down with her back to him.
"Oh, I forgot to ask you," said Hermione brightly, glancing over at the Ravenclaw table, "what happened on your date with Cho? How come you were back so early?"

Snipping Harry's telling her how it went

"I mean, what was all that about? What was going on?"
Hermione glanced over at the back of Cho's head and sighed. "Oh, Harry," she said sadly. "Well, I'm sorry, but you were a bit tactless."
"Me, tactless?" said Harry outraged.

snipping Harry and Hermione's conv in interest of space

"And it might have been a good idea to mention how ugly you think I am too," Hermione added as an afterthought.
"But I don't think you're ugly," said Harry, bemused.
Hermione laughed.

"Harry, you're worse than Ron...Well, no, you're not," she sighed, as Ron himself came stumping into the Hall splattered with mud and looking grumpy. "Look -- you upset Cho when you said you were going to meet me, so she tried to make you jealous. It was her way of trying to find out how much you liked her."

The fact here is that Hermione is using all those same ways of communicating with Harry that she did in the letter writing scene. Patiently, sadly, in afterthoughts, sighing.

She started out brightly enough. But she could afford to be bright when she saw the interaction, or lack thereof between Harry and Cho. Add to that the fact that the date ended early, and she must've had some idea that it had turned out badly. Cheerily asking what went wrong doesn't seem like the good support for Harry that we're used to seeing come from Hermione.

He tells her what happened, and asks her to explain what went wrong. She immediately looks at Cho and sighs. Does this mean that she wants Cho to date her? No. She is thinking of several things I'm sure, but she immediately adopts her distant air after this and tells Harry what Cho is feeling, and what he should've done. Adding a barb about her looks in for good measure.

Harry reassures her that he doesn't find her ugly, and she laughs. (not her distant, and patient air that she has been using.)

Then she tells him he is worse than Ron, sighs, no you're not as Ron comes in. Taken in context this sigh has more meaning towards Harry and Cho than towards Ron.

She's sighing because if he were tactless like Ron, Cho wouldn't be interested in giving him the time of day. She's sighing because she wants Harry to have what he wants, but it's Cho and not her. She's sighing because the date didn't end the infatuation he has with Cho. She's sighing because Harry doesn't recognize the tactics Cho is using to get Harry to notice her. She's sighing because Harry doesn't realize that girls like him, herself included. She's sighing because she realizes he really is clueless. She's sighing for herself.

The sigh could be one, or encompass all of the above reasons. It is certainly not proof of Hr --> R. It is in and of itself, as mysterious as all the shipping moments we get out of JKR.

Beautiful stuff, innermurk!

I enjoy reading the two different perspectives on that sigh. Either way, it's still a negative sign for R/Hr.

I agree...did you know R/Hr shippers look at it that she sighed because she wants Ron to make a move on her.

Most R/Hr'rs look at everything in that context.

True...that's supposedly why Hermione was so distant with Harry during the aftermath of Cho's kiss...

And why everything was turned all of a sudden to stars and firecrackers and a big chorus of Happy Happy Joy Joy when Hermy kissed Ron on the cheek.... but thats what one of my Goodshippy friends told me happened lol.

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Beautiful point, dejamevivir, you hit the nail on the head.

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I'm very skepticall around this kind of shippy quotes. I'll analize it in the most objective way possible. Okay. This is the quote:
"But I don't think you're ugly," said Harry, bemused.
Hermione laughed.
"Harry, you're worse than Ron...Well, no, you're not," she sighed, as Ron himself came stumping into the Hall splattered with mud and looking grumpy.
What I interpret from this is that when Hermione tells Harry he's worse than Ron, she's talking about tactfulness. When she told Harry he should have said she was ugly, she was thinking of a way in which Harry could have reassured Cho that there was nothing between them. Harry immediately says that he doesn't think she's ugly, so she laughs because it's obvious that Harry didn't get her point, which is that, regardless of what he really thought, he should have said so for Cho to be reassured about his feelings. When she sees that Harry didn't understand, she laughs because she realizes how tactless he really is, knowing that if he were tactful, he would have understood the point. So she compares him to Ron, someone she thinks is very tactless (there's proof of that in the after-kiss conversation; "you're the most insensitive wart I have ever had the misfortune to meet"). BUt then Ron comes stumping in, and this reminds her of they way Ron really is, and she realizes that Ron is a lot more tactless than Harry.
Ok. That was my non-shippy side rambling. This could be, of course, interpreted in both H/Hr and R/Hr ways. My interpretation was the objective one (I'm still a H/Hr shipper, don't worry you guys).
Oh and sorry if someone already posted this, I didn't read the whole thread.
Good day to you

Nice theory, dreamcatcher...although I disagree and think it is shippy, I still like your view of it!

I've got to disagree. I don't think that was jealousy at all... it could have been her reaction to Ron sending his ink bottle into orbit, or the fact that Harry was so reluctant to answer... who knows. If she really was jealous, why would she put so much effort into telling Harry the proper way to handle Cho?

Not that I mean to butt in or anything... but I was looking up R/Hr stuff, and came to a thread on them over here, and decided to sign up.

Please don't hate me, lol.

Look, if you're an R/Hr shippe please go to the Debate Thread...thank you very much.

We don't hate you Tara-Marie, because everyone has a different opinion. Maybe my fellow shipmates have gone over the walls a bit with the "jealous as hell" thing, but you have to admit; Ron and Hermione's reactions were completely different. Ron's reaction is what a normal friend should act like. Maybe Ron's a bit immature, but his reaction was curiosity; while Hermione's reaction was anxiety.
Hermione gave advice to Harry about Cho because Harry didn't know anything about girls. Hermione wants to see Harry happy. She's not going to try to control Harry for her own selfish reasons. Although Harry hasn't shown any romantic intentions on Hermione, there are many subtle hints throughout all five books. We H/Hr supporters like to read between the lines and tend to go beyond the obvious.

Cdelight's right...and we do have hints and stuff...maybe it's just not as "obvious."

Hmmm, back to the topic, good points every one, although I have to be the obsessed shipper angain, and say that I think that the "But I don't think you're ugly conversation" is pretty shippy for me! But hey I'm an obssessed shipper, so I tend to grasp at very short straws! Hhehe!


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Oh, I'm sorry! I just sorta skimmed through... didn't know there was one. Thanks so much, and sorry again, lol.

No problem

Yes, we H/Hrers do pick on the subtle details; feel free to check them out; don't worry, I'm not trying to convert you or anything, but I think it is better to read everyone's view points; I, myself, surf through sugarquill and other R/Her sites to see their logic. Keep an open mind and have fun at portkey.

Cdelight's right. We really like to pick the book apart and try to find subtle details. It's something we do for fun I suppose. And welcome to the boards by the way, we don't hate you just because you support a different ship. Your attitude is what's important to us

Guys, I please ask that you ignore all posts by EmmaD unless they are polite. Right now she's been restricted, which means all her posts have to go by a moderator.

But don't respond to her, you're only giving the negative attention she's craving.

Thanks

Heaven

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On a personal note:
Please get back on topic, people - this interpretation (of that scene in OOTP) by innermurk is fantastic and should have been discussed in more detail. It is sad to see that so many people chose to feed the troll, instead.

I agree! Once again inner murk you have written a wonderful mini essay, i agree with your veiws on just about everything

I was actually re reading that scene in the book and it definatly seems like Hermione is showing little hints that she likes Harry. Though Harry hasn't shown and liking toward Hermione yeat, I think I am going to go through OotP and see if i find anything

Mod Note: Edited the topic title. Original title was Hermione Noticed!, in OotP...................... ~Anazecria/Nielle 28/09/2004

Hey, I was reading Ootp and realised that in their first DA meeting Hermione breaks up Harry and Cho's conversation.

Hey good observation! Maybe Hermione was watching them to see what they would do? Well, maybe I'm just grasping a bit there. But a girl can always dream, right?



LadyGranger

Seems like you're on to something there... perhaps she does have stronger feelings

Dreamer~

wow! i never thought of that! good observation! i can never find little details like that, thats why i always come to sites like these to read other peoples brilliant points!

Wow!! yay good observation! I never noticed that before!!
THANK YOU!!!!

Thats so cute! I bet you anything, Hermione purposely tried to cut their conversation short. Im SO reading OotP again, to check for more clues of her jealousy
Yay! *giddy now*

You were really onto something! THANKS!!!

*gives marshmallow33 a HUGE peice of pumpkin pie*

And HAPPY 100TH POST!!! YAY!!! *throws confetti in air*



Thanks for the post! *yay*

~*Amanda (feeling optimistic)

That is a good point....

Man, sunshinebelle is right, I've gotta read the thing over again (for time 3). I haven't read it since joining into Portkey, and I wasn't really looking for hints back then.

But your probably right, it sounds to me like that is the first line that really convinced me that Hermione was trying to force her feelings into Harry's life.

I mean, Harry has to get with Hermione now. JKR ended the thing with Cho, didn't she? That didn't go too far, did it? Nope, because now she's making room for Hermione, and belive you me: I'm not about to stop her.

Wow! Good observation!
You guys are just great! Everytime you find something new!
I really have to read the book again, not that i mind

I like that theory... especially as I think Hermione knew perfectly well what time it was, and called over to Harry in a bid to end the Harry/Cho interaction in favour of ending the lesson... and of course Cho's not a Gryffindor.

Go Hermione!

I am so proud of you.... spotting that nice H/Hr detail..... wouldn't you want to stop and think about that? marshmallow33

You finally have your moment.... I'm so happy..... *sniffs*

You're growing up to be a very smart H/Hr shipper