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When Harry was talking to Doby about finding a place for the DA Club in OotP, one of my favorite scenes takes place to prove that Harry always think about what Hermione before anyone else.

For a moment Harry was tempted to go now; he was halfway out of his seat, intending to hurry upstairs for his Invisibility Cloak when, not for the first time, a voice very much like Hermione's whispered in his ear: reckless. It was, after all, very late, he was exhausted and had Snape's essay to finish.

The voice didn't sound like Professor McGonagall, whom I would have as an inter voice telling me to keep out of trouble. Also, Harry for the most part only listens to Hermione. Like in the OotP when McGonagall said to Harry, "At least you listen to Miss Granger."

I don’t know, maybe I am just "delusional".

I love how Hermione is the voice of his conscience! It shows how important her opinion is to him.

oh and i just remembered! remember in book 1 with the troll? harry physically launched himself as well so he can knock the troll down? well that was acceptable because he doesn't know any spells yet. but in OotP, him launching himself has no excuse! he knows a lot of spells already, but he used his own body because he probably felt that that was the surest thing to stop the DE.

Ooh, I just thought of another one I can't remember if it's been mentioned before, but I think it was pointed out in an essay I can't remember the name of. I've read too many
Anyway, it's from GoF. I don't have the exact quote, because I don't have the book with me. It's the scene where Hermione shows up at Gryffindor Tower with toast for Harry, and then takes him out for a walk. The point I'm trying to make is that they walked around that lake THREE TIMES, and judging by what we se in both PoA and GoF movies, the lake is HUGE. they must have spent hours on their walk. Now if that's not some quality time spent between the two, then I don't know what is. And not to mention that Hermione does all this just to make Harry feel better. Sounds to me like she really really cares about him


PS. H E Granger, I am Scandinavian. I come from Norway.

I know! I love this moment. It shows what a good friend Harry has in Hermione (I can't imagine her doing that for Ron, not to mention she takes Harry's side in pretty much every argument Harry and Ron have), and it's just darn cute.

As i was going through GoF looking for a subtle moment i remembered, i found this on the way:

Now, does this "each of their" plates mean two or three plates? My mind wants to believe it means two.

Also, this:

Finishing each others sentences eh? I thought this was another delusion made up for fanfic material by delusional H/Hr fans.

Anyway, yet another moment here. I swear, this book is filled with H/Hr moments.


This here is considered as a canon evidence for R/Hr, or more like Hermione's feelings for Ron. Well, when i look at Hermione, i see a girl surreptitiously trying to convince her friends to make piece, by first bringing them together. Very sneaky, since she starts with telling him that he needs to get away from the castle for a bit and Harry accepts, not needing much persuasion on that.

The reason i post this moment is the way it goes on. Herons prefer to cut it here, for a very obvious reason.

So, when talking to Harry, you like what you see then, Hermione? Ok, next.


I say, wake up and smell the coffee boy! It's also important to note that when Harry tells her to shut up (in a comparatively civil way i'm thinking Ron would hardly achieve), Hermione doesn't snap back at him, like she's wont to do when it is Ron telling so. That's my speculation, of course. Next!

At the Yule Ball:
Now, first of all, Harry worrying about House Elfs and wondering what Hermione has to say about it shows how much he appreciates her idea of SPEW. Second, i know Herons say that Harry not showing jealousy over Krum proves there is nothing on his part. I don't think Harry needed to get jealous over Krum, it's not like he thought about it or Hermione ever showed any affection in regards to Krum. Harry knows this:


A small moment next:

Marveled: Amazed. Unlike some other friend or hers.

I'll stop here. Actually there is one more moment i want to deliberate on. A huge, anvil sized one. I'm considering opening a new thread, where we can discuss a moment (this moment in my mind too) R/Hr vs. H/Hr. There are moments along the books that could be interpreted both ways. I think it would make a good debate material. What do you say?

S.

In the scholastic forums about the poll some heron was trying to say that the only reason Hermione took Harry on a walk was to try and convince him to talk to Ron

Of course, that one is obvious. Everything in the books is about Ron after all.

ALL HAIL OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR RONALD WEASLEY!!!!!

I cant remember where I found this but I take no credit for making it

Ron Weasley and the Chamber of Secrets

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ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....

giant Ron head....

RUN AWAYY!!

Hermione run for your life!

Me and my friend had a slightly different spoof...HP and Hermione's chamber...

If you found an anvil sized moment, then please by all means post it

Also notice that if Hermione does something that Ron and Harry disagree with, Harry will never confront her about it infront of Ron, always just with her in private. A good example is McGlagen who Harry clearly doesnt like and dislikes the idea of Hermione at the party with him, he only voices this at the party. I remember something like this with Krum too. There are more instances when this happens but I cant think of it right now.

Okay, I've found an awesome one in GoF:

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"She's gone," said Hermione, looking right through Harry toward the end of the street. "Why don't we go and have a butterbeer in the Three Broomsticks, it's a bit cold, isn't it? You don't have to talk to Ron!" she added irritably, correctly interpretting his silence.

Just for clarification, this the Hogsmeade visit just before the First Task, and Harry has hidden himself underneath his invisibility cloak to escape the mutterings of other students. Also remember that at this point, Ron is being quite bull-headed and jealous, and he and Harry aren't speaking to one another.

As for the "subtle H/Hr moment," Hermione and Harry, as we all know, finish each other sentences and know some of each others thoughts just by merely looking at each other. Here, however, Hermione cannot see Harry, yet she still is able to "interpret his silence!" She can't even see the boy, and she knows what he's thinking! That is simply amazing.

I have to give you props...at first I didn't really see what was so cool about the quote but you're right--it's incredible, there's that whole saying true friends can see the pain in your eyes when everyone else sees a smile...but this, my god... I was crazy about Sirius but come on, could he have done that, could Ron?

My mom thought there was something wrong with me when I first read the beginning of Goblet of fire, she was like, let me get this straight, ron's not speaking to harry, the entire school's treating him like garbage, isolating him and you think it's great? I was like--hello he's with Hermione, what more does the boy need...you made me just feel like I was reading the book for the first time...

Ok, here's one. Harry has always described Hermione’s hair as “bushy” – it’s almost her trademark. But I found something interesting in HBP, only 15 pages apart.





I think it’s interesting that this is the first time that Harry (and JKR) describes her hair w/o using the “b” word (except for the Yule Ball when he’s describing the transformation of her hair from bushy to sleek) and we haven’t heard any stories of her using hair potions for her date with McLaggen. I’m assuming here that Hermione hasn’t done anything to change her appearance.

Ginny and Cho’s hair are often described as “long” or as “mane.” I think this is JKR’s way of showing us subtly that Harry is finding Hermione attractive.

Or she was just tired of using the word "bushy."

Great find!

I think JK pretty much established that Harry is a hair-guy. Here's hoping that this bit was intentional.

Or, this is the way JKR conveys Harry is waking up. Subtly, i might add. We are used to it by now.

S.

Alright, I can't believe I haven't noticed this quote before, and I am surprised no one has mentioned it. I think it is quite a good quote.

Yes, when you were telling us what it's like to face Voldemort. You said it wasn't just memorizing a bunch of spells, you said it was just you and your brains and your guts-well, isn't that what snape was saying? That it really comes down to being brave and quick thinking?
Harry was so disarmed that she had thought his words as well worh memorizing as The Standard Book of Spells that he did not argue

Half Blood Prince is the chapter....pg 172 for the British verson and 181 I believe for the American edition.

And I used to think HBP was completely R/Hr supportive... and so much for "subtle" as I think this moment is an anvil!

Yeah me too! I've been rereading the series to prepare myself for the new book....I wasn't trying to find hints for H/Hr, but that one....its very very interesting, and I think it is huge.

I, personally, like a scene from CoS ch 11 (p 191 American Version):



Not only do I love this section for the 'automatic', but also because Harry keeps his attention on Hermione for a while after they were separately paired. --I know that it's not really anything big and could be just a friend thing, but it just makes me happy because it shows how close they were and how his attention is on her a good portion of the time from the beginning(ish).

Bahahahahaha.. hahaha.. ha.. You gotta love that.


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On a second note:

Not sure this goes here but I do think it does..

I just finished reading Dan Brown's Angels & Demons (Amazing book btw) and towards the end the main character Robert Langdon said something that definately relates to H/Hr.

When Roberts loses Vittoria (The girl he just met earlier in the book) he said something along the lines of "even if he just met her, the events they went through made their new found relationship unique" and like "even people in love for the longest time sometimes doesnt even get to that stage".. In the end they end up together. Well after saving the Vatican City from exploding due to the new technological creation of an antimetter.. lol

In relation to H/Hr , Hermione is the only girl who has been through everything with Harry. It would make no sense at all, not to mention bizarre, if they dont end up together no?

I'm sure this has been pointed out before, but I absolutely love this:

GoF



OotP



Now, Vernon might not be the nicest man, but surely there is no doubt that he loves his wife.

I thought the parralel was very cute.

Oh my God! And the wording's almost completely the same! Just change Vernon to Harry and add Forest. How cute.

From HBP, p. 219. Bloomsbury Publishing


This is one of the moments in HBP that I find has an underlying flirtatiousness between Harry and Hermione that was different in the previous books. They can read each other well at this point and Harry caught on to what Hermione did. I love the way he called her out on her behaviour and then Hermione getting all flustered. To me, that smirk of his has an adoring quality that shows how much Harry admires how Hermione's mind works.

See, now that's playful banter. And yes, that's flirting. Harry clearly tries to get a rise out of Hermione. Not through insults, but through playful teasing.

But the hottest scene is still this one:



Seriously, JK could have used a hundred other words, yet she chose to have Hermione "breathe" in his ear. Oh my.

I did. Hopefully it'll appear soon over at the Dueling Club. I tried to pinpoint all the H/Hr opposed the in our face R/Hr in the infamous Yule Brawl. Be forewarned though, it's a bit long.

Still though, for the sake of this thread here, i'll post a short moment from that post here too.

From GoF:


So he pays attention to the way she smiles? Isn't that the sweetest thing you ever heard?

I don't want to repeat myself. Hopefully, you can read more of this Yule Brawl in that new thread soon. I'll link it once it appears. I hope it appears i mean.

By the way, Nora you rock once again. If that isn't sexy, then i don't know what is.

S.

I know! There was so much flirting in HBP (up until they get to the beggining of the school year....call me crazy but I'm a firm believer in the Love Potion Theory ). I loved the whole "breathed in his ear" bit when they're in Knocturn Alley. My first thought was "woah that's sexy" and then "woah, Harry just interpreted that as sensual breathing rather than whispering..."

Definitely hot. One of those moments that makes you go, hmm...

This one has probably been mentioned before. Can't repeat these moment often enough.

From HBP, p. 288
A conversation about Filch and Madam Pince’s love life would normally be an “eew” moment but Harry’s propensity to flirt around Hermione gives an impression that something is going on. I don’t remember him behaving this playfully with anyone else. And of course, walking along a deserted lamp-lit corridor suggests more than a friendly stroll but of a romantic interlude. I wonder why JKR would write that?

This thread is my absolute favorite! It always makes me grin like an idiot! lol

Anyway, I've found yet another scene in GoF. (I'm in the middle of re-reading it right now.) I'm not going to type out the scene because it's huge, but I'm sure you can all look it up if you want to read it word for word. It's in the chapter call "The House-Elf Liberation Front." From page 373 to 375 (Amer. paperback), Hermione is literally dragging Harry to the kitchens. She rushes up to him and Ron right at the Fat Lady's portrait, and tells Harry to come with her. She never tells Ron to go away, but she also never tells him to come. Also in that small space, she grabs Harry's arm and drags him around twice, and pushes him in the back once to get him in the kitchens.

Not to mention, that in the middle of all that, Harry "reads her mind," and discovers where she's taking him and realizes that it has a connection to SPEW. Of course, she actually wants Harry to go to let him see Dobby. (She had been down there for SPEW stuff before, though; Harry was half-right.) She knows that Harry will be happy to see Dobby and know that he has found work and is doing well. Isn't that so sweet of her?

StarbuckJr


not to be the bearer of bad news, the thing that struck me was it was RON who noticed that Hermione's teeth had changed. B/c ron noticed, harry also paid closer attention. At best, this is a split between a H/Hr and R/Hr moment.

You are right. And interestingly, R/Hr shippers don't count it as one. Makes you wonder...

Anyway, as promised here is the link: Interpret Your way


S.

I absolutely love this:

OotP



No wonder since Hermione's plan involves Harry teaching her.

After Umbridge threatens Harry with the Cruciatus and Hermione pretends to break, it mentions Ron and Ginny staring dumbfounded at her/with horror. Harry is the only one who notices she's not really crying/faking.

I can't believe I never noticed this. Good catch


This might be but I just thought of something. They say there won't be any Quidditch in the OotP movie. If that's the case, then they can't put in the good luck kiss Hermione gives Ron before his first match. If R/Hr are supposed to be the final pairing, then I think this scene should be in the movie, because it would be one of the few indicators from the movies that Hermione actually have feelings for Ron.
Of course, they might put it in in a different context, but I can't see where. I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on this.

Not a H/Hr moment, per se, but a re-read of HBP is proving to be enlightening...

The H/G kiss


And earlier in the book...

I've been rewatching the movies for the past week, in preparation for the fifth one coming out in 6 days, and today when I was watching PoA, I spotted a couple of things.

The first one is during the DADA class with the boggart, and everyone have to form a line. If you look closely, you can actually see Hermione clinging to Harry!!

The next one is in the Pumpkin patch, during the rescue of Buckbeak. Harry says "that's Pettigrew", and Hermione immediately grabs his arm to stop him from entering Hagrid's hut, because she knows what he's thinking. His thoughts are kind of obvious, but I still think it's cute.

The last one is when Harry and Hermione runs from Lupin during the time turner thing, and they hide behind a tree. Again, if you look carefully, you can see Hermione resting her chin on Harry's shoulder! Not once, but twice!! I thought that was andorable little detail

I don't believe I've really ever noticed that. I must go back and re-watch. It's amazing how Harmony filled the movies are I feel bad for the director of HBP, watching him/her try to set the scene for R/Hr and H/G. The people who just watch the movies will go "Wait, what?!"

I love watching that part of the movie. It always reminds me of the Grawp chapter in the OotP. Such clinging to one another in fear is lovely to watch. Not that I want them to be afraid or anything...but if it helps them become aware of their feelings more, then I'm good with it.

I read this just today when I was re-reading the books. Harry is the only one who notices. It seems to come so effortlessly for him to understand her its way to cute. The whole chapter he and her really rock it together.

I second that

One of the things that really hits me about this scene is that not only is Harry the only one to notice Hermione fake crying, but Hermione is the only one who tries to stop Umbridge from cursing Harry. I mean, there we have Ron, Harry's best friend since their first train ride to Hogwarts, and he's not saying anything. Then there's also Ginny, invoker of chest monsters, the girl who supposedly loves and cares about Harry so much, and she's not making any moves to stop Umbridge either!

If you compare Ginny's actions in this scene with her statements and implications in the scene from HBP after Harry has cursed Malfoy, things aren't lining up. She seems so happy and relieved (and even is flat out rude to Hermione) in HBP, while in OotP, she does nothing and Hermione risks a whole lot trying to keep Harry from being cursed. That speaks volumes to me.

I remember reading that scene and wondering why no one else felt that Harry should be saved from being Crucio-ed. Ron and Ginny kind of stand there like morons and even look at Hermione likes she's lost her mind. Like what is this girl doing? I was kind of hoping Harry would turn around and ask.

" Was anybody else going to use their brain like Hermione today. I were you going to let Umbridge torture me into insanity before thinking maybe somethings wrong about this."

Ginny I can slightly understand because I never thought she was in love Harry or anything. Just a hero-worshipper who just likes admiring him, but not save him. Ron I was more surprised at because like you said


But oh well it just cements why I'm a H/Hr shipper.

Yeah and I love how Harry and Hermione re-act to eachother actions and always make the best of it, without even seriously understanding the situation. Like the way Harry reacted with the Umbridge in the forest scene .This is where the idea of a "Harmonious realationship" come in cause they are so in sync and in tune with eachother. I dont think either of them really understand that now.

Anyway now that we're on the subject of OOTP, its incredible that every thing that Hermione was telling to Harry about during the infamous fight, ended up being true! To Voldemort luring him there, to Harry wanting to rescue Sirius, to the importance of Occulemency, was all dead on right. During the talk between Harry and Dumbledore at the end of the book Harry realises this, though vaguely and in passing. Just goes to show how in depth and seriously Hermione thinks about Harry and his life.

I know this thread says "subtle" H/Hr moments, but mine might be a bit too subtle, or I just might be grasping at straws. Let me explain.

I am currently rereading OotP, and you know how Ron and Hermione are made prefects? And of course how Hermione was certain it was going to be Harry? Well, I was reading the part where Ron and Hermione were telling Harry who the other prefects were. Notice they're all "couples". There's Draco and Pansy, Ernie and Hannah. Ok, I don't think they are confirmed couples, but they are people who spend a lot of time together, it seems.

Next, Dumbledore chose Ron, instead of Harry, because Harry had too much to worry about. This probably means he would have chosen Harry to be made a prefect with Hermione if he wasn't so burdened. That's how I see it.

This means Ron was second choice. This means Harry was supposed to be with Hermione, not Ron. Now, this could be conveyed as a R/Hr moment, because JKR chose Ron to be w/ Hermione, and it seems all the other prefects are "couples". I don't know about Padma and Anthony. BUT I see it as Ron was second, so really it should have been Harry and Hermione among the other "couples"!

Plus, notice how extremely sure Hermione was that Harry was going to be a prefect. I love her reaction when she hears it's Ron.

Do you think I'm nuts or do I have a valid theory? I hope you all could understand this.

I never thought of it this way. Care to post this over at Interpret your way?

The part i bolded... Yes, JKR chose to pick Ron, but she also chose to have Dumbledore admit that he would have chosen Harry if he[Harry] didn't have that much trouble on his hand, or if he[Dumbledore] didn't love Harry this much. Speaks volumes if you ask me.

S.

EDIT: 250th post! yay!

Very interesting take on that scene! Makes complete sense to me.

What strikes me most about the prefect moment is this bit:



This bit is so telling. Why did Harry not want to look at Hermione? He doesn't know the reason, he just can't. Does he think that she doesn't deserve it and is jealous? No, because he did recognize these feelings when Ron got it. He's jealous of RON, not Hermione. The only logical explanation is that he feels embarassed. He feels like he disappointed Hermione and he can't meet her eyes. What makes this interpretation valid is this scene, also from OotP:



Question: if he didn't feel anything but friendship for Hermione, why would he care? Would any of YOU resolve to work harder for your exams just so a mere friend wouldn't criticise you? I sure as hell wouldn't since it's my buisness and I don't thrive on impressing my friends, certainly not with my grades. I mean, Harry immediately resolves to work harder just so Hermione wouldn't think of him as a dumb troll - he hates studying! Me thinks someone is worried about impressing their woman, which makes this moment one of my all time favorites.

Edit: another canon moment to back this up.



The guy thinks the WORLD of Hermione's opinion. He realizes that she thought that something he said was worth memorizing and he's left speechless.

Good god, just reading these 3 scenes makes me want to slap myself over the head with a wet fish for sometimes doubting Harmony in DH.

"HONESTLY!"

This has got to be the most positive, most amazing thread at PK right now.

I love it.

I know right, whenever Im feeling depressed about Harry/Hermione I automatically go to this thread and I always end up feeling better.

I dont know if this has been mentioned before.... and um, unfortunately I don't have my OoTP book with me right now.

But there were, I think, quite a few moments that Harry mentions/thinks about Hermione during that scene with Dumbledore in his office, right after Sirius died.

Can anyone check that out for me?

I think it's just one of those great H/Hr scenes from OoTP coz I mean, here's Harry who just witnessed Sirius disappearing behind the veil and he's raging out at Dumbledore.

While he's caliming down, Dumbledore starts to explain and I mean, even after all that emotion and excitement, he still stops and mentions HERMIONE!

I mean, I don't know about you guys, but just check that chapter out for me. I'm telling you, Harry mentions Hermione even if he's supposed to be extremely "occupied" with all the other things going on. I mean, come on guyz!