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-- Huge Moment That H/hrs Forget About - Mirrors Malfoy/Ron Slug Incident.
-- Theory on H/H Foreshadowing in COS

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All right, here it is folks, You know what the sailors of The Good Ship like quoting at us from COS - it's the sequence in which Malfoy calls Hermione a Mudblood and Ron takes up for her - you know what I'm talking about!

That's their big moment showing that Ron cares about Hermione enough to protect Hermione, but Harry doesn't! Well, 100% of the time, I've seen a rebuttle to that point that goes 'Harry doesn't know what a Mudblood means, that's why he does nothing!'. This is, of course, correct, but let's once try to be a little more imaginative, eh!

There's another sequence in COS that shows that Harry DOES indeed care about Hermione as much as Ron does:

(Chapter 11, Page 144, COS, Paperback, Bloomsbury)


'A haze of greenish smoke was hovering over the scene. both Neville and Justin were lying on the floor, panting; Ron was holding up an ashen-faced Seamus, apologizing for what his wand had done; but Hermione and Millicent Bullstoad were still moving; Millicent had Hermione in a headlock and Hermione was whimpering in pain. Both their wands lay forgotten on the floor. Harry lept forward and pulled Millicent off. It was difficult; she was a lot bigger than he was.'


An insult from Malfoy VS a physical assault from Millicent Bullstoad - and the victim was Hermione Granger !

In both cases, the victim was Hermione; in both cases, the assaulters, were Slytherins (Malfoy, who is about the same size as Harry and slightly shorter than Ron and Milliscent who is bigger than Harry is). In one case, Ron curses Malfoy and the curse backfires, in another case, Harry pulls Millicent off Hermione - and it was not joke as Millicent was a lot bigger than Harry was!

Who helped save Hermione, this time, eh - Harry did! And some people say that Harry does not care for Hermione as much as Ron does!

Before the Harry rescue, Hermione was in pain, people. There's no doubt about it - canon says so. The canon also says that Hermione (and Harry) did not even know the meaning of the word Mudblood - Hagrid had to tell them what it meant!

Which incident would you give more weight to?

I definitely think that this has more weight! Thanks for reminding me about this scene thereader!

And wasn't it in GoF that when Draco called Hermione Mudblood, Harry also defended her? I gotta start re-reading that book. I know there was something like that that happened... or it could be a fanfic that I read...

But in any case, even when Harry found out what Mudblood meant, whenever Draco calls Hermione this, it's always Ron who reacts the most. I sort of see this as Ron trying to be the Big Protective Guy, which is fine, but the way I see it, Harry knows that the racial slur against Hermione is her battle and he knows that she can take care of herself and she doesn't need much rescuing in that department. He knows that Hermione can give Malfoy a good slap or two. He let Hermione deal with this herself and that shows just how highly he thinks of her. That made sense, right? If not... well, then just ignore me.

And Millicent! Hope you enjoy your stay here! All H/Hr are nice people, so if you're here, I'd say none of us would even think of you as evil! And I totally agree with you, Harry and Hermione forever!

They also forget when Harry stood up for Hermione to Ron (PoA) when Harry told Ron to give Hermione a break over the whole Crookshanks/Scabbers incident.

Ok I know the Movies don't mean much, if anything at all, but have any of you noticed in the scene with the 'Mudblood' thing that Harry does infact react!
He sort of....uh.... I dunno what you'd call it but he does react! Watch it if you can, and keep your eyes on Harry.
And Thereader I did remember it, and it's nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks it means something!
Harry definately cares about Hermione as much as Ron. If anything I think he cares about her more! I mean he is in love with her!
Right that was my obssessed shippy side coming out again! Hehe

That is so true. Harry does care about Hermione; he just didn't know what mudblood meant at first; plus Ron wasn't the one who reacted first, it was Fred and George who dove toward Malfoy and Alicia Spinnet yelled, "How dare you!" then Ron did the slug thing. Also remember in GoF where the trio were running in the forest after the QWC?

"Granger, they're after Muggles." said Malfoy, "D' you want to be showing off your knickers in midair? Because if you do, hang around...they're moving this way, and it would give us all a laugh."
"Hermione's a witch," Harry snarled. "Have it your own way, Potter," said Malfoy maliciously. "If you think they can't spot a Mudblood, stay where you are."
"You watch your mouth!" shouted Ron. Everybody present knew that "Mudblood" was a very offensive term for a witch or wizard of Muggle parentage. (pg 122 GoF; scholastic edition)

I think it is a very important H/Hr moment here. Harry reacted first because Malfoy was insulting Hermione, but Ron reacted later due to the term "mudblood". Ron ONLY reacted because of the word while Harry reacted due to the person it was directed to. JK clearly pointed out that "everybody" present knew what that term meant; Ron was defending ALL muggleborns, not just Hermione. If Malfoy insulted Hannah Abbot or Susan Bones using the term "mudblood", then Ron would defend them too. However, Harry isn't the type that plays the superhero act and tries to defend the world, unless he really has to, which is actually pretty ironic the way JK wrote it. Ron tries to defend everyone, but Harry is the one that actually does it...ok so back to what I was saying, I think JK is pretty tricky; she makes Ron have more outbursts toward Malfoy, but she makes Harry defend just Hermione.

Oh! Great spot! I'm getting all warm and fuzzy over Protective Harry.

And what had been Ron doing when Malfoy told Hermione that? Maybe, he's ugh... a little slow on the uptake that Malfoy had just insulted Hermione?

Oh! Bad! Bad! Sorry, that was kind of mean...

Anyway I agree with Cdelight. It's another important H/Hr moment. And like most H/Hr moments, it's not something that people would take notice immediately. If you just happen to be reading it and not taking in every detail, Ron's reaction would've seen more "protective" but Ron just "shouted" while Harry "snarled"

Those two words are very different. Especially in showcasing the emotion behind it.

And Mike, I love your signature. So true!

Also.. the whole slugs incident.. it's not shown in the movie, but the whole Gryffindor team minus Harry goes nuts. Fred (or George) have to be restrained from JUMPING on Malfoy, who needs to be blocked by Flint, and some of the girls start shrieking, Ron just happened to throw a curse with a defective wand.

Thanks, thereader! I forgot about that...sorry, I haven't read CoS in two years. But that's very important I think. And the GoF scene was much, much more indicative of how much Harry cares for Hermione. Harry responds to insults towards Hermione and so does Ron, but he definitely takes the Mudblood issue very seriously. Like you said about Hannah Abbott or some other Muggle-born, Ron would defend them too. I think it's ridiculous when someone says that Harry does not care for Hermione as much as Ron. He cares for her more than any other person in the world, in my opinion.

Well, yah.... the movie did change the story a little.... i mean it made a lot of people to lean on R/Hr but the thing is... I reread CoS after I watched the movie and had to scratch my head because I knew the last part about Hermione not hugging ron really wasn't there......hehehe And Harry does care about Hermione a lot and vice versa

Oh yes I forgot all about that moment....thank you Thereader

once when I was in a debate with my friend over H/Hr, and R/Hr....she tried to use the point in the movie where Ron and Hermione don't Hug. But its plain and simple that you can't go by the movies....they are trying to point the signs twords Ron and Hermione but it has never been mentioned in the Books of Ron and Hermione both liking eachother....so the screenplay writer shouldn't make that assumption. Though I know it would be very hard for them, i think that if it isint in the book they shouldn't include it.

You are also forgetting that the next time Malfoy insulted Hermione, Harry stood uo for her and tried to engage Malfoy in a wand fight along the Halls.

Remember how Hermione got those big "fangs" that eventually led to Madam Pomfrey's attempt to make those teeth smaller??? It was because Draco has insulted her and Harry came to her defense. Unfortunately, Draco's curse hit Hermione instead of Harry and caused her to get those "fangs".

But look at the results thereafter.It made Hermione get smaller teeth and made her look beautiful . Now that's a golden record for the H/HR ship, it should be.

Now that's one of those nearly forgotten H/HR moments that in my view, evens out whatever Ron has done for Hermione on account of her being a mudblood. Simply put, what Ron has done for Hermione, Harry has doubled it.

Also, if you turn the situation around and look at who Hermione stands up for, it's pretty devestating to the Good Ship.

She is always by Harry's side whether or not he needs her.
One of the things I found most interesting is when they're leaving the Shrieking Shack. Ron has a broken leg that he's been standing/walking on and further injuring during the whole time they've been there. He chooses to go out tied to Peter, who is in the middle with Lupin on the other side. His leg is bound, but still broken. Yet, no one walks by him, or helps him. Hermione chooses instead to stay behind and walk by Harry, who is not seriously injured, and is walking by Sirius, and talking to his Godfather for the first time.
When Lupin starts his transformation, Hermione points out that he's not safe, but only Harry leaps forward to try and grab Ron. Hermione stays where she is.

Another point...When Harry is playing Quidditch in his second year, Hermione is too busy watching him (flying, uninjured) catching the snitch to notice that Ron is in the middle of beating, and getting beat up and right under her chair at that!

Let's look at just hurtful words. All the Rita Skeeter articles and the pain and torment they bring about as a case. She encourages Harry to just ignore it. Intoning that over and over in his ear to help keep him calm.

Now when Malfoy repeatedly insults Ron and his family....Harry stands up for Ron, but Hermione doesn't even say one word. Not one just ignore it. She waits to slap Malfoy until he's insulting Hagrid.....Harry's friend.

When it comes down to it, there is no doubt as to where Hermione's affections stand.

I think another often overlooked COS moment is when Dobby appears at Harry's bed in the hospital wing. People often say that Harry went in the chamber because of Ginny, and refused to leave because he didn't want to go back to the Dursleys. Sure, those played parts too - but - it was in this scene that we learn why Harry did not want to leave Hogwarts during those attacks:

"I'm not going anywhere!" said Harry fiercely. "One of my best friends is Muggle-born, she'll be first in line if the Chamber really has been opened -"

Not exactly a huge H/Hr moment, but it certainly does show where Harry's priorities lie.

that hug thing doesnt even make sense if u've read the books..in those hermione hugs ron after the second task and also when he says he'll herlp with buckbeak's trial, so apaently she doesnt mind hugging him, which means there is no non-hug 'tension'

yeh...I agree with (Harryandhermione4ever)..about "Harry do care for hermione" from that scene from "where Malfoy insulted Hermione calling her Mudblood". First, harry doesn't know what word "Mudblood" this...so how can harry protect her if he doesn't know what heck..that word mean. And I can see from movie..not book..that I notice...(you are right Harry/hermione4ever)..harry from that scene..he seem to be "taking back" or "shocked" what Malfoy said to Hermione. It just that Ron...was just there. and you also notice...that Hermione didn't said "Thanks" to Ron..after that incident. It come to show..that Hermione doesn't care that Ron tried to save her or not. She want Harry to help her.

i got few of moment where Harry cared for Hermione:

from COS:

1. The Famous Hug Scene...and I don't think...it Ron/hermione moment at all. I thought when i watch COS dvd...over and over..again..from that scene. I thought it was Harry/hermione moment. You notice when..Neville yell or tell "Harry" that Hermione is back..Neville didn't said "Harry and Ron" and when hermione said "Thanks to Headless Nick" at Great Hall's door, she quickly turn and looking very worried for someone...(I think..that she is looking to see if Harry is alive or not)..because when..Ron pop his head out..hermione didn't smile at him and when Harry finally show his smiling face...at her. She smile back..and she finally run into his arms..when they hug..and it show that...THEY BOTH REALLY CARED AND THEY BOTH ARE ALIVE...AND SAFE...AGAIN.

2. When hermione turn herself into cat. Ron was beeing mean to her..by making fun and insulting her...but harry he tried to comforter her...by saying "It o.k..hermione you look fine" (i don't know if that is right statement..from COS)

3. Harry holding Hermione hand...when she was frozen in Hositpal wing...and saying "WE NEED YOU, MORE THEN EVER"

4. Harry was thinking of Hermione when..he was going to find Ginny in COS..and it make him sick to his stomach, just to think of hermione in hostipal.

Yes, Harry's struggle with Millicent does out weigh Ron's 'Mudblood' scene. That's a good H/Hr moment.

Though a R/Hr shipper can ruin it for some of us and pinpoint that Ron was too busy apologizing to Seamus to see Millicent headlocking Hermione. And if he wasn't so busy with Seamus he would have helped Hermione out.<--A weak arguement, I say.

Oh there is a lot of importance given to that mudblood scene, but how many times has Harry protected Hermione with his life??!! I can think of a LOT of times in OotP!!! against Malfoy ... Harry too draw out his wand and shouted "furnunculus!" if GoF, anyway there is a lot of text that show us how much in fact Harry cares for our Mione




MOD NOTE:Wondering where your posts on Harry's/James' bloodline have gone to and why?

Well, this thread distinctly contained 2 related but very different topics - and each topic warrants further, separate discussion. One shippy (that's why it is in the PA forum). and one non-shippy - dealing about Harry and Jame's bloodline - offtopic for this forum. I have separated the non-shippy posts from the shippy ones and have moved the posts that discuss Harry's bloodline to the HP General Discussion Forum. That thread can be found here:

http://talk.portkey.org/index.php?showtopic=3010&st=0

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Regards,
-thereader

MOD NOTE: merged with related topic. Orig title: Theory on H/H Foreshadowing in COS
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Hi everyone

I have just finished re-reading CoS and noticed a few things I didn't put together before. It may have helped that I had my shipping glasses on too...

There are probably other clues that I mssed, but I noticed several very H//Hr things that, as a whole, made me rethink the whole singing Valentine situation.

First, I'm just gonna throw out the quotes, then I'm going to try and link it all together. All the bolding is mine.



Well, I think this one is pretty self-explanatory. The other events may bother Harry, but the one thing he can't get out of his head is Hermione being petrified (or hurt all all, by inference).



This is foreshadowing of some stuff that happens later in GoF and OOtP. Specifically, everyone else already sees Harry and Hermione as being a unit. Ernie didn't seem to have any problem visualizing Harry attacking Mrs. Norris or Colin Creevey or Justin or Nearly Headless Nick. So why is Ernie unable to see Harry attacking Hermione? Sure, they were friends. But that kind of wording is too strong for that, I think. That kind of wording implies that Ernie thinks Harry and Hermione are more than friends. If JKR hits you over the head with something enough times, maybe there is something to it...



Note, once again, Harry's first response is Hermione. Not Ron, or winning the House Cup or the food or anything. Hermione.



Possibly not more than you'd expect for a friend, but confirmation is nice Also, Dobby had told Harry to go back home several times in this scene, but the only time he rejects it so fiercely is when Hermione is in danger.



Hmm, yes. The best feast he's been to at Hogwarts, after he is the conquering hero and could probably have had his pick of girls. And the best bit may be Hermione running towards him...


Ok, anyway. Taken separately, any one of these could be explained away or discarded. However, I think as a whole they are quite interesting. Especially since some of them contain very strong wording. I don't recall a single passage where Harry is worried about Ron, even though they are all running around doing dangerous things. It's always Hermione. He does seem to think a lot about Hermione, doesn't he?

So, now, this takes me to my grand conclusion. I have already posted elsewhere I dfeinitely do NOT think it was Ginny that sent Harry the singing Valentine in CoS. This is for several reason, not least of which include her being too shy to even talk to him, her being possessed all the time, her being constantly in fear and turmoil, and a telling entry into the Diary that Riddle repeats about "how she didn't think famous, good, great Harry Potter would ever like her...". You get the picture.

So, if Ginny didn't send it, who did? I entertained thoughts of Fred or George sending it as a joke. They certainly seemed to get a kick out of it. Too much so, if you ask me, if they had sent it in the first place. Then I thought, maybe Malfoy did. Nah, he's not clever enough for that. Then maybe just some random awestruck girl sent it. He is the hero who defeated the Dark Lord, after all. But that seems out of character for JKR. She almost never has totally random bits like that. It's all for a purpose.

That pretty much leaves out everyone except... Hermione. She's already his friend, but she's probably too shy at this point to tell Harry that she likes him. She's already infatuated with Lockhart, so it would have been very easy to send a Valentine to Harry. Seeing as it was Lockhart's idea to have them at all and she always knows everything he is doing.

And finally, for my last trick... this leads us to the fact that Hermione had a crush on Harry in the first book and into the second book. Well, now, you say. How on earth can you justify a statement like that. Easy, I say. Examine the following facts and occurences:

1) Hermione knows all about Harry. She's read all about him before even getting to Hogwarts. She knows more about him than HE does. Since he sort of is a hero, and she sort of is a little girl, it's not to farfetched to postulate a crush forming.

2) Hermione is always hanging around Harry and Ron in the beginning of PS/SS, before they are friends. Seems odd, doesn't it? Especially since they make it fairly blatant that they don't like her. Now, maybe she quickly developed a crush on the red haired heart throb known as Ron Weasley, and overlooked the hero who defeated the Dark Lord. I don't think so, though.

3) Next, Harry saves her from the troll. Yes, I know, Ron helped too. But Harry was the one who actually leapt onto the dang thing's back and tried to strangle it into submission. If Hermione didn't have a crush on him yet, that would leave quite an impression, wouldn't you think?

4) Hermione throws her arms around him before he's about to walk into what must seem like certain death. She utters some fairly strong words:



So, it would seem to me that Hermione started out with a crush on Harry. Being the smart and mature girl that she is, I believe that crush took an unusual route for someone that age. Instead of fading away, I think it matures into something deeper as the books go on.

There, you have it. My grand theory. Now go ahead and tell me how crazy I am.

Mod Note: Fixed the quote tags. ~Jennifer/Hermione's Twin

Well, first off, you're not crazy! I've often wondered who sent the Valentine myself, but I always thought Moaning Myrtle was the sender... I can totally see her writing something that cheesy...

"Eyes as green as a fresh pickled toad...."

*snort* .... ... For me, I only considered Hermione being the sender for a brief moment, because of how the poem is writen... The style just seems so unlike Hermione... Also, I've never considered Hermione as someone who would care too much about Harry being 'the hero who conquered the Dark Lord', but then again , I may very well be wrong.

I also thought about Fred and George, since they took so much pleasure in teasing Harry about it, but then again, they would have teased him no matter what after hearing it.

However, your other points are very good... And all those quotes are my favs from CoS. We can only hope your on to something. ..

Oh, by the way... There is an essay about who the sender of the singing valentine was... here it is: Singing Valentine

Cheers!

A little something else I thought was interesting adding to possible foreshadowing in COS...

This takes place immediately before McGonagall takes Harry to the Hospital Wing to see a petrified Hermione.

That theory's great, Arithmantica. It makes a lot of sense. The only thing is I can't think of any examples of JKR's cheeky/quirky sense of humor. Can anyone give me any examples?

Hey i'm new here but i've been reading these boards for awhile now and finally just decided to join in.

As far as forshadowing in CoS for me something that stood out to me is Hermoine's crush on Lockhart. Before they found out he was nothing but a fake, she was all about him. He had a sort of "saving people thing" I think or so they thought. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong because it's been awhile since I've read CoS. This kind of tells what kind of guy Hermoine likes......the hero!!!

But that sort of goes with the idea of Hermoine having a crush on Harry so I thought I'd share. My theory is that Hermoine is crushing on Harry, Ron is cushing on Hermoine, and Harry is going to open his eyes during their 6th year. Whether or not HHr get together in the 6th book is something we will find out in July.

Hi!

Nice theory! And you are not crazy!

Those quotes are great, CoS has been always my least favourite book (too little Harmione for my liking), but now this may forshaddows something.

It's aslo interesting that one of Harry's worst memories is Hermione turned into cat (which of course happened in CoS). Someone (I think it was Sienna) had said it that this memory is one of the worst because it represents first moment when something bad had happened to Hermione. And it had big inpact on our little Hero.

And about Hermione crush... I think she had a crush on Harry in PS/SS though I'm not sure about CoS *cough*Lockheart*cough*. And the valenitne's card... not in Hermione's style IMHO. She hadn't sent it.

Yeah, there might be something in CoS forshadowing H/HR.

Cheers,
Mycha

Now that you guys mention it,it does bear the question of who REALLY sent Harry that Valentine back in their second year. Reading the book at first glance, I automatically assumed (and I'm sure most of you did too) it was Ginny because she ran from the area very embarassed and apparently she didn't want him to think she sent it by seeing her blush in front of him. But then if she didn't send it,then she might have been upset that someone beat her too it. This is probably another mirror-image plot device that is going to play itself out in HBP this summer.

This is quite an interesting thread. Thanks for starting it, Chance.

CoS has always been proclaimed as the Harry / Ron and Harry / Ginny book, where Harry and Ron share the major adventures without Hermione and where Ginny makes her first substantive appearance in the series. But looking at the scenes and the points that you have all raised, it seems to me that while Hermione was absent in a large chunk of CoS, JKR has not let it affect Hermione's presence in the book and in Harry's life.

It has always been interesting to me how even though Hermione was petrified in CoS, she still managed to affect the plot and to help Harry solve the mystery. Even though it is Ron who shares the major adventure with Harry, Hermione was still critical in the story. Compare that to Ron's diminished role in OotP, where Harry and Hermione share all of the major adventures together. With Ron absent from those scenes, he hardly affected the plot at all in OotP. And even though it is Ginny that Harry rescues in CoS, Hermione is the reason Harry cited for staying in Hogwarts despite Dobby's dire warnings, and Hermione is the person that Harry looked forward to seeing after rescuing Ginny.

I wonder how (and why) JKR will diminish Hermione's role in the next two books to give space to another love interest for Harry when as far back as CoS, JKR has been establishing Hermione's importance to the plot. An importance that not even petrification and her being off-page could undermine.

I don't have my copy of CoS with me at the moment, but didn't young Riddle say something to Harry in the chamber about knowing that Harry would be recklessly heroic if one of his friends was petrified? Or something to that effect. Perhaps that line was only said in the movie, but since I don't have my CoS with me right now, I can't check. This might be worth looking into as well.

I don't completely buy the idea of Hermione being the one who sent the Valentine to Harry, but I do agree that Hermione may have had an attachment to Harry from PS/SS. She did keep a close eye on Harry and meddled in his affair even before they were friends. But I don't think it was a fan-girly crush. I think it was more like a genuine interest in Harry.

Hi!

smuggled_muggle, you are right. This is what Voldemort had told Harry:

mycha_kk, thanks for looking up that quote from CoS

You're right, there's nothing particularly shippy about it, but it does tie in with all the other scenes in CoS that have been pointed out.

Thanks again.

Oh i never knew there was adoubt that the singing valentine was from ginny, remeber she sends another singing card to harry at some point in one of the books and he keeps it under the fruit bwol because it sung shrilly? (sorry can't remeber which book it was) it sounds like somthing she would do, not to mention her reactions and fred a george's reactions and malfoy saying to her that he didn't think harry liked her valentine. need i say more? plus it isn't in hermione's style, but you've definitly made me look alot closer to the h/hr moments on CoS.

I think this is very interesting and that it may have some truth in it, but something is bothering me. JK said that she didn't start anything shippy until book four. My question is that how can all of this be foreshadowing for H/Hr when JK didn't start the shippiness until GOF?

Thanks.

....maybe she did that to throw us off guard. After all ron/hr first arises in Gof so it wouold make sense for her to say that, because if she had said that there was shippy references in books before that we would have automatically thought of h/hr. i dunno i;m trying to convince myself as much as others

I think that makes sense moogle. I think GoF had way more H/Hr foreshadowing in it than R/Hr anyways.

About CoS, I haven't read it in a long time, but I was thinking about the major plot points the other day. Didn't JKR say that HBP is like the companion book to CoS? Certain things she was going to put in CoS ended up in HBP, right? I think there could actually be a lot of H/Hr shippy implications in CoS, even though it didn't seem so at the time. I have a theory, (and it's not a novel one by any means), that Hermione's going to be attacked or kidnapped in order to get to Harry, and CoS actually has a lot to do with this theory.

The concept of Mudbloods, and racism within the WW is brought up for the first time in CoS. Hermione is made a target, and ultimately suffers because of her muggle heritage. Harry refuses to leave the school, knowing that Hermione was in danger. We know that Hermione is still a target for the DE's because of this; we were reminded of that by Malfoy in GoF. The mudblood thing has mostly been on the back burner since CoS. OotP dealt with it a little, but it was focusing more on prejudice against non-human magical peoples. Given its title, it wouldn't surprise me if HBP went back to the mudblood issue in a big way, and of course Hermione is an integral part of this theme.

Another first in CoS was using other people to get to Harry. Riddle used Ginny to gather the necessary information about Harry, the most useful of which turning out to be that attacking Hermione was the sure way to get Harry involved in solving the mystery. Riddle also uses Ginny as bait to lure Harry into the Chamber, just as he used Sirius to lure Harry to the DoM. He has learned from Kreacher that the best way to get to Harry is to hurt someone he cares deeply about. Dolohov witnessed Harry's panicked reaction to Hermione's "death" in the DoM. Surely by now this information has made its way to Voldemort.

Of course there are other themes in CoS that will have great relevance to the overall plot of HBP and the final book, (house unity, the heir of Gryffindor etc.) But I think these two things could point to shippy consequences for H/Hr.

Did she said that the CoS movie foreshadowed GoF or simply that it foreshadowed something?

Because if it foreshadowed something I am thinking about a scene in OotP where Hermione hugs Harry a lot when she first see him after the summer.

I also thought that that "hug-thing" in CoS was meant to be, she didn' hugged Harry at PS movie, did she?

you're right hermione never hugged harry in PS but she does hug him in CoS which i find so cute. (Even if it does have a r/hr awkward moment after it)
the movies try to show r/hr moments quite alot but to me they arn't reliable espcially when they find out they must start making harry hermione moments because the relationship happen in HBP lol no but seriously in CoS (movie) when hermione is petrified harry is sitting beside her and holding her hand and he says "i wish you were here hermione, we need you" or something like that anyway. Could it possibly be saying instead of we but I need you? and in the book mggnnogal actually crys when harry says they came to see hermione to tell her the potion was ready to unpetrfy her. Now why would mggongol cry? did she cry when ginny was taken? no! so why would she cry when harry says this? gee i never knew she was a romantic