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I don't buy that even warped-and-ridiculous-HBP hermione would ever use Harry to make anyone feel jealous. I can see her using someone to make Ron or Harry feel jealous but never one directly to get a rise out of the other. That's not our hermione.

wait... i just read the part in HBP when Hermione says she was going to Slughorn's Christmas party with McLaggen, she was obviously trying to make Ron jealous...
that's not our Hermione... what's been in her head lately?...

Obvious, schmobvious. Who's to say she wasn't trying to make HARRY jealous? Don't let the anvils fool you--they haven't exactly held true for all the other mysteries, have they?

Hermione had thrown herself on to him in a hug that nearly knocked him flat, while Ron's tiny owl, Pigwidgeon, zoomed excited round and round their heads.'HARRY! Ron, he's here, Harry's here! We didn't hear you arrive! Oh, how are you? Are you all right? Have you been furious with us? I bet you have, I know our letters were useless-but we couldn't tell you anything, Dumbledore made us swear we wouldn't, oh, the Dementors! When we heard-and that Ministry hearing-its just outrageous, I've looked it all up, they can't expel you, they just can't, there's provision in the Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Underage Sorcery for the use of magic in life-threatening situations-

'Let him breathe, Hermione,' said Ron, grinning -and we get some descriptions of Ron.

Still beaming, Hermione let go of Harry...

'SO YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE MEETINGS, BIG DEAL! YOU'VE STILL BEEN HERE, HAVEN'T YOU? YOU'VE STILL BEEN TOGETHER!'

'I SUPPOSE YOU'VE BEEN HAVING A REAL LAUGH, HAVEN'T YOU, ALL HOLED UP HEAR TOGETHER-'

...he spotted Ron and Hermione, sped along the benches towards them and forced his way in between them.

he spotted Ron and Hermione, sped along the benches towards them and forced his way in between them.

Obvious, schmobvious. Who's to say she wasn't trying to make HARRY jealous? Don't let the anvils fool you--they haven't exactly held true for all the other mysteries, have they?

wait... i just read the part in HBP when Hermione says she was going to Slughorn's Christmas party with McLaggen, she was obviously trying to make Ron jealous...
that's not our Hermione... what's been in her head lately?...

...he spotted Ron and Hermione, sped along the benches towards them and forced his way in between them.

"forced his way in"? JKR could have easily said "sat between them". It would be shorter. Now, why would she chose the former expression?

He supposed Ron and Hermione were cloistered in the prefects' carriage, but Ginny was a little way along the corridor, chatting to some friends.

Good point! Maybe she is trying to hint that Harry is going to break up a H/R relationship.

He supposed Ron and Hermione were cloistered in the prefects' carriage, but Ginny was a little way along the corridor, chatting to some friends.

Hehe...looks like Harry isn't subconsciously not too pleased with having his two best friends in a relationship.

In OotP, you know the veil? Why was Hermione the only one who was not entranced by it? And why was she angrier than 'the occasion warranted' when Luna said there were people 'in there'?

He's not, and I didn't even realize that until HBP, when he actually contemplated the thought consciously. And it states, clear as day, on the page, that he is NOT comfortable with it.

Sure, his reasoning being that either they would be so wrapped up in each other that he would be ignored, or that they would have a horrible break-up and the trio dynamic would disappear (neither of which could possibly happen: while Ron may be a bit immature, he and Hermione definitely showed their true colors at the end of HBP; they would put their friendship and his well-being first. But I digress.)

"Mr. Knightley and Jane Fairfax!" exclaimed Emma. "Dear Mrs. Weston, how could you think of such a thing?--Mr. Knightley!--Mr. Knightley must not marry!--You would not have little Henry cut out from Donwell?-- Oh! no, no, Henry must have Donwell. [...] I could not bear to have Henry supplanted. [...] A Mrs. Knightley for them all to give way to!--No--Mr. Knightley must never marry. Little Henry must remain the heir of Donwell.

this one came to me this morning, and rather unexpectedly too... probably koz it's a bit TOO subtle to have been noticed before:

from HBP, after the burial, page 487
"Yes, indeed," cried Slughorn a little thickly, "Parry OTTER, the Chosen Boy Who..."

oh yeah, take that for a hint

Subtle must be subtle... One of my favorite H/Hr moments is in my least favorite book. I like the part where Hermione runs out of transfiguration (after being hurt by Ron again) and leaves her books ,than Harry picks them up and takes them to her. - This has probably been mentioned before but I really like this moment.

Venus (love) in Virgo people are not the flirtatious sort. Instead, their appeal lies in their dedication, their willingness to work on the relationship, and to make the relationship work in real terms. Unlike Venus in Leo, they won't try to impress you with grand gifts or promises. Their gifts are less showy, but perhaps far more generous -- gifts of devotion and attention to details about you.

Venus in Virgo men and women quietly (and often slowly) make their way into your heart. They are quite sensitive in love -- even insecure -- and this reserved, loner-like quality is part of their appeal. They prefer to play it safe in their relationships, and they need to be confident that you like them before they make a move. They are great listeners and they make it a habit to observe and learn all of your ins and outs. Their love can be of the Kindergarten variety -- they show they care by nagging or criticizing. Remember, though, that they are not trying to hurt you when they are pointing out the flaws in your thinking, plans, or even character. They truly are trying to help!

Pleasing Venus in Virgo involves showing you appreciate them for all the little things they do -- and they do a lot. The problem is, they do these things so quietly that you may not always notice or credit them for all these kind gestures. They do need some space (after all, they're generally quite busy making everything work), so give it to them. Be genuine, not ostentatious. They are really not difficult to please after you have taken care of these basic needs. Avoid pushing your friends or family on them too fast -- remember they are a little shy. They aim to please, and are easily intimidated by your experiences. Let them know how much you value them, and they will reward you with devotion and a charming willingness to talk things out.

I believe Hermione is a Virgo (August 23 to September 23) and Harry is a Leo (July 23 to August 22).

...he spotted Ron and Hermione, sped along the benches towards them and forced his way in between them.

well I read that part over and over again and last night it occured to me that hermione considered smith. the point is I didn't find a part where Ron hated smith( well there isn't a part in OOTP too ) so why is she considering smith if she can make ron jelaous with McLaggen? in HBP the one who doesn't like smith is HARRY! well maybe this is a stupid idea but nevertheless I want to think like this way

You know what? The whole debate about Hermione's patronus is constantly shoved into our faces as the proof of her love for Ron, because, simply as dictionary.com says:
ot.ter
–noun, plural -ters, (especially collectively) -ter.
1. any of several aquatic, furbearing, weasellike mammals of the genus Lutra and related genera, having webbed feet and a long, slightly flattened tail., her patronus is as close as she could get it to Ron Weasley.

An Otter right? Type this word in google search bar, and it asks you "did you mean potter?" Did we? Did JKR? Did Hermione? And I ask you this: Is it altogether implausible to think that an intelligent mind like Hermione's could have played a little on words and made a connection between Potter and an otter? I bet JKR's done this on purpose. It would be another things JKR has hid in plain sight. Therefore Hermione's patronus can be assumed as much a connection with Potter as with Weasley. It's a fifty-fifty chance if you ask me.

Or maybe her patronus reflects her bonds with both boys, equally, and she likes it that way.

S.

but wait, can we choose our patronus? i mean doesn't it reflect what we feel or where we get our strength from? because can she really make her patronus sound like potter?

After a severe emotional upheaval, a witch's or wizard's Patronus may change form (HBP16); this happened to Tonks after Sirius' death, when her Patronus seems to have taken the shape of a wolf (HBP8).

He [Harry] was, however, reminded of a question he had with regard to Tonks, and who better to ask than Lupin, the man who knew all about Patronuses?
"Tonks's Patronus has changed its form," he told him. "Snape said so anyway. I didn't know that could happen. Why would your Patronus change?"
Lupin took his time chewing his turkey and swallowing before saying slowly, "Sometimes ... a great shock ... an emotional up-heaval ..."
"It looked big, and it had four legs," said Harry, struck by a sudden thought and lowering his voice. "Hey ... it couldn't be — ?"

Harry's Patronus is a stag (like his father's Animagus form) (PA21, OP1).
Hermione's Patronus is an otter and Cho's is a swan. Seamus wasn't sure what his was, but it was hairy (OP27).
Ron's Patronus is a Jack Russell terrier (JKR)
Dumbledore's Patronus is a phoenix (JKR)

Harry looked sideways at Tonks under his cloak. Last year she had been inquisitive (to the point of being a little annoying at times), she had laughed easily, she had made jokes. Now she seemed older and much more serious and purposeful. Was this all the effect of what had happened at the Ministry? He reflected uncomfortably that Hermione would have suggested he say something consoling about Sirius to her, that it hadn't been her fault at all, but he couldn't bring himself to do it. He was far from blaming her for Sirius's death; it was no more her fault than anyone else’s (and much less than his), but he did not like talking about Sirius if he could avoid it.

After a severe emotional upheaval, a witch's or wizard's Patronus may change form (HBP16); this happened to Tonks after Sirius' death, when her Patronus seems to have taken the shape of a wolf (HBP8).

"Over the next few days Harry could not help noticing that there was one person within number twelve, Grimmauld Place, who did not seem wholly overjoyed that he would be returning to Hogwarts. Sirius had put up a very good show of happiness on first hearing the news, wringing Harry's hand and beaming just like the rest of them; soon, however, he was moodier and surlier than before, talking less to everybody, even Harry, and spending increasing amounts of time shut in his mother's room with Buckbeak."

Is it just me or do Harry and Hermione connect more in HBP than any other book? I mean it in the sense that Harry is much more aware of her in this book and mentions her to every ###### person lol. He even mentioned her to Slughorn! A man who he hardly knows and only talked to for an hour at most. In HBP I see a lot of playful banter (confunding? anyone?), entertaining talk between the two (madame pince and filch), and an obvious sense of appreciation from Harry's side. He seems to be even amused at her flusterdness in some scenes, though admittdly he does get annoyed. I also saw something else I liked and that was protectivness not just on a physical level...but an emotional level too! How many times in HBP have we seen him running off to comfort Hermione instead of Ron, and spending time in the library for her. Additionally I saw something that I havent before seen in the books and that is a sense of pride in her. Like in the bird scene. I thought that was so cute amd it is this that is making HBP fun to read again!

Is it just me or do Harry and Hermione connect more in HBP than any other book? I mean it in the sense that Harry is much more aware of her in this book and mentions her to every ###### person lol. He even mentioned her to Slughorn! A man who he hardly knows and only talked to for an hour at most. In HBP I see a lot of playful banter (confunding? anyone?), entertaining talk between the two (madame pince and filch), and an obvious sense of appreciation from Harry's side. He seems to be even amused at her flusterdness in some scenes, though admittdly he does get annoyed. I also saw something else I liked and that was protectivness not just on a physical level...but an emotional level too! How many times in HBP have we seen him running off to comfort Hermione instead of Ron, and spending time in the library for her. Additionally I saw something that I havent before seen in the books and that is a sense of pride in her. Like in the bird scene. I thought that was so cute amd it is this that is making HBP fun to read again!

Wait--I only read HBP once but Harry--

he carried her books for her???

Well, Ron insulted Hermione, she ran out crying and forgot her books. Harry picked them up and ran after her to make sure she's okay.

so making HBP my new favorite book wouldn't really count as a capital crime now, would it?

hey things keep popping into my head lately!

i remembered that line at dinner when lavender and parvati started talking about 'everything they'd heard about mclaggen and everything they'd ever guessed about hermione '... or something along those lines

isn't that like saying that nobody really knows hermione like he does?

Omg does he really? I dont remember that but its way cute!

This thread should be changed to "Subtle H/Hr moments in HBP" lol

so making HBP my new favorite book wouldn't really count as a capital crime now, would it?

hey things keep popping into my head lately!

i remembered that line at dinner when lavender and parvati started talking about 'everything they'd heard about mclaggen and everything they'd ever guessed about hermione '... or something along those lines

isn't that like saying that nobody really knows hermione like he does?

"Cormac?" said Parvati. "Cormac McLaggen, you mean?"
"That's right," said Hermione sweetly. "The one who *almost*" - she put a great deal of emphasis on the word - "became Gryffindor Keeper."
"Are you going out with him, then?" asked Parvati, wide-eyed.
"Oh - yes - didn't you know?" said Hermione, with a most un-Hermione-ish giggle.
"No!" said Parvati, looking positively agog at this piece of gossip. "Wow, you like your Quidditch players, don't you? First Krum, then McLaggen."
"I like *really good* Quidditch players," Hermione corrected her, still smiling. "Well, see you... Got to go and get ready for the party..."
She left. At once Lavender and Parvati put their heads together to discuss this new development, with everything they had ever heard about McLaggen, and all they had ever guessed about Hermione. Ron looked strangely blank and said nothing. Harry was left to ponder in silence the depths to which girls would sink to get revenge.