Portkey forums - Kindred Spirits > Book(s) 1-7: Moments where Hermione feels more than friendship

Dragoncateliz

Feb 23 2007, 08:02 PM

This goes against all the R/HR 'just friendship' stuff-- I'm asking for your guys (and girls) opinions: what moments do we recognize as Hermione showing more than friendship feelings for Harry, when do these 'non-platonic'

feelings just jump off the page?

When I read OoTP, I thought after he kissed Cho and ran back into Hermione in the common room, there was no way she had just friendship in her heart--

and the fanciable comment....

Anyone else have any thoughts?? Or are these the only battle moments we have to go into book 7??

Are there any moments than indicate straight on, such feelings for Ron??

blueangel

Feb 24 2007, 10:32 AM

Well, first thing that comes to mind is a very sweet moment (I think) when she invites him to go knit with her... it has to be become she wants him to be with her, she's hoping to stay with him a little longer; besides, it's mentionned that she looks disappointed when he says no.

This happens after the party thrown for Ron when he makes keeper for the Gryffindor Quidditch team, party during which she falls asleep. And she wakes up immediately when Harry arrives.

Also, still in OotP, when she arrives at 12 Grimmauld Place without even going to her parents (while she has not seen them for months) and goes directly to see Harry, and you know she went directly to him because it's mentionned she still has snow in her hair.

And when she's so happy when she thinks Harry is the other prefect.

I know Herons interpret all of that the other way, but I don't care, those are (some of) my anvils.

Oh, and I forgot the number of "Oh!Harry"'s that Hermione exclaims all over HBP...

Venus

Feb 24 2007, 10:37 AM

In OotP, asking Harry to knit with her. Now THAT was unnecessary if there's no H/Hr.

PHXCONXrunner

Feb 24 2007, 11:13 AM

QUOTE(Venus @ Feb 24 2007, 11:37 AM)

In OotP, asking Harry to knit with her. Now THAT was unnecessary if there's no H/Hr.

Especially if you look how she asked, and her reaction when he turns her down (stupid git... how could he not see it!!!)

What I don't understand... the book is supposed to be Harry-centric. We know in that scene that Hermione is disasppointed that he turned her down, but why did he turn her down? There is no explanation other than he wanted to "look as though he was vaguely tempted by this offer". His excuse was he needed to catch up on homework, which was true. What does he do the next day? Have quidditch practice.

But the big thing here is what Hermione does. No mention of knitting hats but the mention of... dun dun dun.... DOING HOMEWORK. Precisely what Harry was supposed to be doing but put off once again. Perhaps she was trying to get in a little "study session"?

Quidditchgirl175

Feb 24 2007, 11:21 AM

what about in poa when harry fell from his broom and hermione had cuts on her face due to her hand not to mention that she was crying as well

siutou_amy

Feb 24 2007, 12:04 PM

QUOTE(blueangel @ Feb 24 2007, 01:32 PM)

Also, still in OotP, when she arrives at 12 Grimmauld Place without even going to her parents (while she has not seen them for months) and goes directly to see Harry, and you know she went directly to him because it's mentionned she still has snow in her hair.

And this scene is described in such a way, that one can't help to see the romantic ambient there was. I don't have the books with me, and I haven't read OotP since....... well, it's been a long time. However, Hermione is described as having snow in her hair, and having rosy cheeks. There was no need to embellish her with makeup, she had a natural blush, which sorta reminds you of the many movies where characters declare their love to each other in the freezing cold..... or the pouring rain.

There are many meanings of Rain, but one Popular is:

"emotional cleansing" , "renewal" , "realization of something"

That's why I think many people have characters pouring their feelings out in the rain... because it's very symbolic.

Now, a look to the most popular meanings of Snow...

"repressed emotions" , "unexpressed emotions for a long period of time" , but it also means "good life, good changes" - "clean white snow represents innocence"

I don't know if that means anything, but it's actually interesting. ^^

Amy

annearchy

Feb 24 2007, 02:32 PM

QUOTE(blueangel @ Feb 24 2007, 06:32 PM)

Well, first thing that comes to mind is a very sweet moment (I think) when she invites him to go knit with her... it has to be become she wants him to be with her, she's hoping to stay with him a little longer; besides, it's mentionned that she looks disappointed when he says no.

What's also important in that scene is that JKR breaks out of Harry's point of view, which she rarely does unless she wants to point something out to us. I don't have OotP in front of me (and I don't remember what chapter this is in) but as I recall, Hermione asks Harry to knit hats with her, he tells her he's got something else to do, then he walks up the stairs to the boys' dorm. And while he's got his back turned, walking up the stairs, JKR describes the look on Hermione's face as being somewhat disappointed. Harry can't see the look on Hermione's face; his back is to her. So why did JKR bother to describe this? To give us a tiny hint about Hermione's feelings.

templar1112002

Feb 24 2007, 03:46 PM

QUOTE(PHXCONXrunner @ Feb 24 2007, 01:13 PM)

But the big thing here is what Hermione does. No mention of knitting hats but the mention of... dun dun dun.... DOING HOMEWORK. Precisely what Harry was supposed to be doing but put off once again. Perhaps she was trying to get in a little "study session"?

Also, I think it was the next day that Harry saw her chatting with Ginny in the Common Room, while the needles were enchanted and doing the knitting at her side by themselves.
So, why did she really invite Harry to knit, when there's really no need and she had other friends to do so, too? I don't think we've ever heard of Ginny being her helper, though.

I also wonder if the knitting in vane is an allusion to Penelope, Odiseus'wife...

kitkat310

Feb 24 2007, 08:25 PM

The biggie BIGGIE for me, when it dawned on me who Hermione likes..was when Krum said that Hermione talks about him often.

That's huge. Even for girls who hide their feelings, teenage girls (and JK knows this, she has too..) will tell anybody who will listen anything about their crush.

And it's huge because JK Rowling didn't have to put that in there, she could have had Krum being worried about the newspaper article...but she didn't, she had Krum being worried because all Hermione does is talk about Harry.

hermione'sfrog

Feb 24 2007, 08:30 PM

There are so many in OotP, but I think the knitting scene is one of the most important. If she liked Ron, then why didn't she offer to teach him? No where does she mention that she wanted Ron to learn.
Also, the scene with Grawp. If Hermione liked Ron so much, she would have stayed at the game to watch him.

snoopy_pie

Feb 24 2007, 08:52 PM

And that wasn't the only time either. She talked constantly about Harry to Ron during their time at Grimauld Place. We know this because Ron says so. HE said she had been going spare over him and that was right after the big howdy do she gave Harry nearly knocking him down.

I mean really, I know she was worried about him and everthing but they knew he was safe. No this little scene was what really did it for me. Another moment I can think of that I simply love is when Harry and Hermione are walking down the hall from the Library together and have a lovely conversation about Madam Pince and Filch. They were talking about hidden love. Love that was not out in the open....I think that is a very subtle clue.

Miss Mady

Feb 24 2007, 08:57 PM

QUOTE

And that wasn't the only time either. She talked constantly about Harry to Ron during their time at Grimauld Place. We know this because Ron says so. HE said she had been going spare over him and that was right after the big howdy do she gave Harry nearly knocking him down.

I think she talked about him in her letters to RON in CoS too.

Miss Mady

hermione'sfrog

Feb 24 2007, 09:10 PM

QUOTE

Another moment I can think of that I simply love is when Harry and Hermione are walking down the hall from the Library together and have a lovely conversation about Madam Pince and Filch. They were talking about hidden love. Love that was not out in the open....I think that is a very subtle clue.

Oooh, good idea! I never even thought of that.
Another one I like is where in HBP, Hermione says something along the lines of "You've never been more fanciable."

Dragoncateliz

Feb 24 2007, 09:19 PM

What do you guys think about Harry? I thought him grabbing Hermione in the DoM instead of Ginny who was the one being threatened was JKR kind of giving away what we hope (no forget hope, I have conviction in our ship

) happens in book 7.

hermione'sfrog

Feb 24 2007, 10:19 PM

Definatly. There are a lot of Harry ones too, but I didn't want to put them in this thread. Perhaps we should have one for Harry too!

Who thinks we should have another thread like this, but for Harry? Or should we just combine the two?

Arm_Wild

Feb 24 2007, 10:31 PM

I know this is repetitious, but the scene in which Hermione is so sure and happy that Harry is a prefect! That scene is not only significant because of Hermione's emotions, but also because Harry is all annoyed, imagining Ron and Hermione together with crowns. He doesn't realize he cares for Hermione in that way, but he's already showing uncomfortability with the concept of R/Hr.

snoopy_pie

Feb 25 2007, 06:26 AM

LOL lets not forget the part of the HBP when Harry was just made captain of the Quiditch team and Hermione gushes that YAY!! Now Harry is about the same status as prefects and he will be able to use their prefects bathroom LOL

So lets recap...Hermione disappointed when Ron is the one who is chosen instead of Harry like she thought.....and she is gushing and excited when Harry is at last able to use the prefects bathroom? LOL

red_samurai21

Feb 25 2007, 07:47 AM

QUOTE(snoopy_pie @ Feb 25 2007, 10:26 PM)

LOL lets not forget the part of the HBP when Harry was just made captain of the Quiditch team and Hermione gushes that YAY!! Now Harry is about the same status as prefects and he will be able to use their prefects bathroom LOL

So lets recap...Hermione disappointed when Ron is the one who is chosen instead of Harry like she thought.....and she is gushing and excited when Harry is at last able to use the prefects bathroom? LOL

ooh... prefect's bathroom...

the all-controversial 'breathing in his ear' stuff, and of course, the way she lets her feelings slip now and again with comments like 'you've never been more fanciable..' or the innumerable instances of physical contact (violent hugging for example, and has mister oblivious ever once complained?

), and the way that she neither confirmed nor denied their reported relationship according to the article of the wonderful rita skeeter...

she's not all that bad, rita...

hammergal04

Feb 25 2007, 08:59 AM

I could write pages of moments but my favorite one is the fight prior to their going to DOM in OotP. Read it again...Hermione is frantic, desperate, her concern and downright love for Harry just screams out to me. I loved it when she said this...

"Harry, I'm begging you, please!" said Hermione desperately. "Please let's just check that Sirius isn't at home before we go charging off to London--if we find out he's not there then I swear I won't try and stop you, I'll come, I'll d-do whatever it takes to try and save him--"

Oh yeah...she loves him all right. She'll always do whatever it takes. Always for her Harry.

Dragoncateliz

Feb 25 2007, 09:36 AM

hermione's frog--I tried posting another thread for Harry's feelings, I just hope the moderators agree to post it!

More Hermone--->Harry:

her reactions in the hospital wing are very different concering Harry and Ron. She stopped fighting with Ron after he was nearly posioned but she wasn't in any where near the state of face-clutching-agony she's been described to posess when Harry's strewn out over Madame Pompfrey's sick beds.

If one of her relationships is just a friendship, doesn't it make sense that the one she's bent out of shape over isn't the one that's just a friend??

eowyn83

Feb 25 2007, 10:07 AM

QUOTE(hermione'sfrog @ Feb 25 2007, 12:10 AM)

QUOTE

Another moment I can think of that I simply love is when Harry and Hermione are walking down the hall from the Library together and have a lovely conversation about Madam Pince and Filch. They were talking about hidden love. Love that was not out in the open....I think that is a very subtle clue.

Oooh, good idea! I never even thought of that.
Another one I like is where in HBP, Hermione says something along the lines of "You've never been more fanciable."

I love that moment too. The background scenery is romantic as well--they were walking in deserted lamplit corridors---I so want that scene in HBP---if I am going to watch Hermione lose her mind and Harry and Ginny suck face, Kloves and whoever directs it better include this scene and the more fanciable speech

Arm_Wild

Feb 25 2007, 10:30 AM

I don't care what Kloves does with HBP because DH will be released by then and we shall know what lies at the end! Having said that though, Kloves is reputed to be a Harmony shipper so... have faith lol!

Hermione breathing in Harry's ear... very cool (or hot should I say

) and underrated scene.

You gotta read Penny Linsenmayer's essay to see all the numerous times when JKR makes a point out of writing Hermione's physical proximity to Harry.....
Amazing how those Herons can twist it to show that she's sooo very platonic

.....
She's obviously trying to be physically close to Harry all the time on PURPOSE.....

xCarpeDiem

Feb 26 2007, 07:22 AM

The most obvious and telling moments for me are:

1) Hermione's reaction to Harry turning down her offer to knit with her. As everyone else has pointed out, JK purposely wrote out of Harry's POV, and we know she only does this for important scenes. So, then, if H/Hr are to remain friends why break out of his POV? Why was it necessary for us to know that Harry had no clue of the very disappointed look on Hermione's face?

2) Hermione constantly talking about Harry to other's. How much more obvious can one get? It just shows that he's always on her mind, and a boy on a girl's mind that frequently and often can't possibly be just a friend.

3) Hermione's "fanciable" speech in HBP. Obvious.

4) Hermione's "ugly" comment in OoTP. IMO it was obvious she was testing waters to see what Harry thought of her. In fact, the entire Cho situation. Hermione inviting Harry to meet her on V-Day, Hermione's reaction to the kiss, all of it.

5) Hermione's reaction to Umbridge wanting to torture Harry. Did Ginny react like this? Ron even? No! Our Hermione can't bear the thought of Harry being tortured, just like I'm positive Harry would have done for her had she been threatened with torture.

6) Hermione and Ginny's argument in HBP. Hermione's not used to having another girl trying to be Harry's number one girl, and Ginny was sure trying to be.

QUOTE(Arm_Wild @ Feb 25 2007, 10:30 AM)

You gotta read Penny Linsenmayer's essay to see all the numerous times when JKR makes a point out of writing Hermione's physical proximity to Harry.....
Amazing how those Herons can twist it to show that she's sooo very platonic

.....
She's obviously trying to be physically close to Harry all the time on PURPOSE.....

Do you have the link to this essay?

Miss Mady

Feb 26 2007, 09:05 AM

QUOTE(xCarpeDiem @ Feb 26 2007, 10:22 AM)

Do you have the link to this essay?

Ta-da! Behold the link: Partners and Friends: The Evolving Relationship Between Harry and Hermione by Penny Linsenmayer

Miss Mady

PixieDust

Feb 26 2007, 01:53 PM

It's been a while since I read the books, but wasn't there a scene in the first book where Harry is playing Quidditch and Hermione is in the stands. A fight breaks out right under her nose and she doesn't even notice because she's watching Harry.

Before they go into Umbridge's office, the intensity of the argument between Harry and Hermione is telling to me. It's a very passionate argument and they get CLOSER to each other as they argue. It's like if you were watching it in a movie it would be like:

Hr................H
argue
Hr.......H
argue some more
Hr..H

You'd halfway be expecting them to start kissing at that point. I believe Harry is described as wanting to reach out and shake some sense into her or something. Anyway, they're getting more passionate and it's physically bringing them together rather than pushing them apart.

_supergirl

Feb 26 2007, 07:44 PM

How about when Hermione "cries" desperately to Umbridge, so she won't torture him.

QUOTE

And taking a deep breath, she cried, "Cruc-"

"NO"Shouted Hermione in a cracked voice from behind Millicen Bulstrode. "No- Harry- Harry, we'll have to tell her!"

"No way!" yelled Harry, staring at the little of Hermione he could see.

"We'll have to, Harry, she'll force it out of you anyway, what's... what's the point...?"

And Hermione began to cry weakly into the back of Millicent Bulstrode's robes. Millicent stopped trying to squash her against the wall inmediately and dodged out of her way looking disgusted.

"Well, well, well!" said Umbridge, looking triumphant. "Little Miss Question-All is going to give us some answers! Come on, then, girl, come on!"

Notice how she inmediately reacts to it at the moment Umbridge is saying the curse. Obviously, she had been thinking about it for some minutes before, but she chose to act it when Harry's about to be tortured. And, she "cries" in front of Umbridge, teacher whom she loathes and despites with all her being and would chose to not show any kind of weakness in front of her, but she did. Just for Harry.

Also, notice how all Nevile, Luna and (yes!) Ginny notice this.

QUOTE

Ginny was staring at Hermione as though she had never seen her before; Neville, still choking for breath, was gazing at her, too. But Harry had just noticed something. Though Hermione was sobbing desperately into her hands, there was no trace of tears...

Also, Harry seems to be the only one who notices she's really not crying. So cute

SassyBtSweet

Feb 26 2007, 07:59 PM

QUOTE(PixieDust @ Feb 26 2007, 03:53 PM)

It's been a while since I read the books, but wasn't there a scene in the first book where Harry is playing Quidditch and Hermione is in the stands. A fight breaks out right under her nose and she doesn't even notice because she's watching Harry.

Before they go into Umbridge's office, the intensity of the argument between Harry and Hermione is telling to me. It's a very passionate argument and they get CLOSER to each other as they argue. It's like if you were watching it in a movie it would be like:

Hr................H
argue
Hr.......H
argue some more
Hr..H

You'd halfway be expecting them to start kissing at that point. I believe Harry is described as wanting to reach out and shake some sense into her or something. Anyway, they're getting more passionate and it's physically bringing them together rather than pushing them apart.

Raise your hand if you are hoping they will show their 'fight' in the movie!!

lol

i'll be practically jumping out of my chair even though i know they wont actually kiss even in that proximity...

Dragoncateliz

Feb 26 2007, 08:03 PM

QUOTE

Also, Harry seems to be the only one who notices she's really not crying. So cute

Okay, this is without doubt ruining the flow of this topic, but I'm going to burst if I don't say one more time (and I say this so many times each day it's a wonder it doesn't get old) at the top of lungs (or er...fingers) that Harry and Hermione are absolutely, completly perfect for each other...

As perfect as my spelling is imperfect...

harmony_inlove

Feb 26 2007, 11:48 PM

mine is this one!

QUOTE

'Oh, I forgot to ask you,' said Hermione brightly, glancing over at the Ravenclaw table,
'what happened on your date with Cho? How come you were back so early?'
'Er . . . well, it was . . .' said Harry, pulling a dish of rhubarb crumble towards him and
helping himself to seconds, 'a complete fiasco, now you mention it.'
And he told her what had happened in Madam Puddifoot's teashop.
'. . . so then,' he finished several minutes later, as the final bit of crumble disappeared, 'she
jumps up, right, and says, "I'll see you around, Harry," and runs out of the place!' He put
down his spoon and looked at Hermione. 'I mean, what was all that about? What was going
on?'
Hermione glanced over at the back of Clio's head and sighed.
'Oh, Harry' she said sadly. 'Well, I'm sorry but you were a bit tactless.'
'Me, tactless?' said Harry, outraged. 'One minute we were getting on fine, next minute she
was telling me that Roger Davies asked her out and how she used to go and snog Cedric in
that stupid teashop — how was I supposed to feel about that?'
Well, you see,' said Hermione, with the patient air of someone explaining that one plus one
equals iwo to an over-emotional toddler, 'you shouldn't have told her that you wanted to meet
me halfway through your date.'
'But, but,' spluttered Harry, 'but — you told me to meet you at twelve and to bring her
along, how was I supposed to do that w:.thout telling her?'
'You should have told her differently' said Hermione, still with that maddeningly patient
air. 'You should have said it was really annoying, but I'd made you promise to come along to
the Three Broomsticks, and you really didn't want to go, you'd much rather spend the whole
day with her, but unfortunately you thought you really ought to meet me and would she
please, please come along with you and hopefully you'd be able to get away more quickly.
And it might have been a good idea to mention how ugly you think I am, too,' Hermione
added as an afterthought.
'But I don't think you're ugly,' said Harry, bemused.
Hermione laughed.

it was in OotP chapter six, seen and unforeseen.

i feel like hermione is not actually telling harry that what he did to cho was wrong, but a confirmation of something she probably has always wanted to know from harry. read the bolded part. i mean really hermione! you know you and harry are good friends! no! best of friends! so why did you even have to tell harry he should have said you look ugly! and laugh at harry's "But I don't think you're ugly" reply?! if she only sees him as a friend, there was no need to confirm from harry, that he thinks she's not ugly!

PHXCONXrunner

Feb 27 2007, 12:43 AM

Blast, I'm about to go to sleep and you give me something to write about

QUOTE

'Oh, I forgot to ask you,' said Hermione brightly, glancing over at the Ravenclaw table,
'what happened on your date with Cho? How come you were back so early?'

Hermione already knows it was a complete disaster. After all, she did plant the seeds of jealousy by telling Harry to meet with her in the middle of a date. Especially since Hermione apparently knows all about how girls get jealous:

QUOTE

'Oh, Harry' she said sadly. 'Well, I'm sorry but you were a bit tactless.' ... ...
Well, you see,' said Hermione, with the patient air of someone explaining that one plus one
equals iwo to an over-emotional toddler, 'you shouldn't have told her that you wanted to meet
me halfway through your date.'

QUOTE

'But, but,' spluttered Harry, 'but — you told me to meet you at twelve and to bring her
along, how was I supposed to do that without telling her?'
'You should have told her differently' said Hermione, still with that maddeningly patient
air. 'You should have said it was really annoying, but I'd made you promise to come along to
the Three Broomsticks, and you really didn't want to go, you'd much rather spend the whole
day with her, but unfortunately you thought you really ought to meet me and would she
please, please come along with you and hopefully you'd be able to get away more quickly.

Again, with her "patient air", she knew exactly what would happen, yet doesn't give Harry tips until AFTER he screws it up. Oh, our kniving Hermione

QUOTE

And it might have been a good idea to mention how ugly you think I am, too,' Hermione
added as an afterthought.
'But I don't think you're ugly,' said Harry, bemused.
Hermione laughed.

Anyone who's ever been a teenager with a crush understands what "afterthough" means: hesistant to say it but finally just do.

But there's a little part you left out. Right after the "I don't think you're ugly", Ron and Ginny walk in and sit down while Harry and Hermione are still talking. Without missing a beat, the following exchange takes place:

QUOTE

"Well, wouldn't it have been easier if she'd just asked me whether I liked her better than you?"
"Girls don't often ask questions like that," said Hermione

Funny, instead of asking Harry if he thinks she's pretty, Hermione instead fishes for the compliment that she's not ugly.

To continue their conversation:

QUOTE

"Well, they should!" said Harry forcefully. "Then I could've just told her I fancy her,

Yea, that would've worked. NOT. Cho is insanely jealous of Hermione (as she should be, lol). Remember, Cho's a Ravenclaw, known for their smarts. I'm pretty sure that Cho would call Harry out on it, and basically give a list of reasons why she thinks that he fancies Hermione and vice versa that would make a PK'er proud.

I still refuse to believe that JKR put that whole section in just to show how girls think. She could've done it any number of other ways, but chose that particular way, that shows that Hermione knows what she's doing and that she longs for Harry to be hers

WuYi

Feb 27 2007, 05:29 AM

and also her final hug to Harry in HBP

snoopy_pie

Feb 27 2007, 08:04 AM

LOL!! I just had a thought!

QUOTE

"Well, they should!" said Harry forcefully. "Then I could've just told her I fancy her,

Lets not forget that Hermione told Harry just how fanciable he was in HBP. What if she did this because she was following Harry's advice?

I never noticed that before.

eowyn83

Feb 27 2007, 10:05 AM

The post date scene is so cute

I hope they show it in the movie. Hermione actually behaves like the cat that got the canary---JKR even writes it---she asks Harry brightly how his date went and why he was back so early. As if she didn't know! She set it up so he would crash and burn and she gets to pick up the pieces.

hexonjellybeans12

Feb 27 2007, 10:14 AM

QUOTE(snoopy_pie @ Feb 27 2007, 11:04 AM)

LOL!! I just had a thought!

QUOTE

"Well, they should!" said Harry forcefully. "Then I could've just told her I fancy her,

Lets not forget that Hermione told Harry just how fanciable he was in HBP. What if she did this because she was following Harry's advice?

I never noticed that before.

But the "you've never been more fanciable" speech wasn't out and out saying "I'm in love with you, darn it!", it was more of a sublte way of flirting, and it still went way above Harry's head (though, for Ron's sake, I think he got it)

snoopy_pie

Feb 27 2007, 10:34 AM

Oh I know but I think that would be about as close to Hermione telling Harry she thought he was fanciable as she would get. Lets remember she is still a very self conscious girl when it comes to things like that.

I don't think she really believes in herself near as much as Harry does

awwww.....

senti_ives

Feb 27 2007, 10:41 AM

QUOTE(harmony_inlove @ Feb 26 2007, 11:48 PM)

mine is this one!

QUOTE

And it might have been a good idea to mention how ugly you think I am, too,' Hermione
added as an afterthought.
'But I don't think you're ugly,' said Harry, bemused.
Hermione laughed.

it was in OotP chapter six, seen and unforeseen.

i feel like hermione is not actually telling harry that what he did to cho was wrong, but a confirmation of something she probably has always wanted to know from harry. read the bolded part. i mean really hermione! you know you and harry are good friends! no! best of friends! so why did you even have to tell harry he should have said you look ugly! and laugh at harry's "But I don't think you're ugly" reply?! if she only sees him as a friend, there was no need to confirm from harry, that he thinks she's not ugly!

Very well, said. I do agree, this scene really got me into thinking that Hermione likes Harry more than a friend...If I were in her place, I wouldn't add that comment as an afterthought if I didn't want to know how my guy friend sees me...And if he was really just a guy friend, I could directly ask him if he sees me as ugly or pretty, no need to be shy about it really...

kitkat310

Feb 27 2007, 12:07 PM

QUOTE(hexonjellybeans12 @ Feb 27 2007, 01:14 PM)

QUOTE(snoopy_pie @ Feb 27 2007, 11:04 AM)

LOL!! I just had a thought!

QUOTE

"Well, they should!" said Harry forcefully. "Then I could've just told her I fancy her,

Lets not forget that Hermione told Harry just how fanciable he was in HBP. What if she did this because she was following Harry's advice?

I never noticed that before.

But the "you've never been more fanciable" speech wasn't out and out saying "I'm in love with you, darn it!", it was more of a sublte way of flirting, and it still went way above Harry's head (though, for Ron's sake, I think he got it)

You know, I thought the more fanciable speech was proof that Hermione did not like Harry. I mean how many girls who have a crush actually say that..

However, I think she was right, but she let something slip, which does work in our favor. She talks about the scars on Harry's hand...only her and Ron really knew about that.

Dragoncateliz

Feb 27 2007, 12:21 PM

Why didn't Hermione tell Harry about Luna and Rita Skeeter beforehand--Harry could've explained better why Hermione wanted him to interupt their date. Hermione's a girl--she knows how fragile Cho was and how easy it is for anyone (considering Krum's reaction last year) to get the 'wrong idea' about harry and Hermione.

And then telling him after the date what he did wrong?

Her not telling shows a subconscious a want to sabotage his date, and if she's as good a friend as we know she is, why would she unless she has some more than friendship feelings?

annearchy

Feb 27 2007, 04:37 PM

QUOTE(PixieDust @ Feb 26 2007, 09:53 PM)

It's been a while since I read the books, but wasn't there a scene in the first book where Harry is playing Quidditch and Hermione is in the stands. A fight breaks out right under her nose and she doesn't even notice because she's watching Harry.

This is the first instance I can recall of JKR breaking out of Harry's POV specifically to show us how Hermione is reacting to something involving Harry. Hermione is so intent on watching Harry that she doesn't notice THREE BOYS fighting right under her nose?? Just shows exactly where her attention is focused.

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Before they go into Umbridge's office, the intensity of the argument between Harry and Hermione is telling to me. It's a very passionate argument and they get CLOSER to each other as they argue. It's like if you were watching it in a movie it would be like:

Hr................H
argue
Hr.......H
argue some more
Hr..H

You'd halfway be expecting them to start kissing at that point. I believe Harry is described as wanting to reach out and shake some sense into her or something. Anyway, they're getting more passionate and it's physically bringing them together rather than pushing them apart.

In a typical romance film or book that's EXACTLY what would happen - the hero and heroine, while fighting, advance on each other until you think one of them might slap or shake the other -- then they would lock lips for about 2 minutes

Seriously, that scene in OotP just screams sexual tension (unlike any R/Hr scene in any of the books

QUOTE(Dragoncateliz @ Feb 27 2007, 08:21 PM)

Why didn't Hermione tell Harry about Luna and Rita Skeeter beforehand--Harry could've explained better why Hermione wanted him to interupt their date. Hermione's a girl--she knows how fragile Cho was and how easy it is for anyone (considering Krum's reaction last year) to get the 'wrong idea' about harry and Hermione.

And then telling him after the date what he did wrong?

Her not telling shows a subconscious a want to sabotage his date, and if she's as good a friend as we know she is, why would she unless she has some more than friendship feelings?

As the Brits say, well-spotted. A case could be made that if Hermione had told Harry ahead of time, he might have balked at doing the interview because he dislikes Rita so much. But the fact that Hermione hid the purpose of the meeting from Harry AND scheduled it in the middle of his date with Cho strongly suggests she was at least subconsciously trying to sabotage the date

senti_ives

Feb 27 2007, 04:50 PM

QUOTE(annearchy @ Feb 27 2007, 04:37 PM)

QUOTE(PixieDust @ Feb 26 2007, 09:53 PM)

It's been a while since I read the books, but wasn't there a scene in the first book where Harry is playing Quidditch and Hermione is in the stands. A fight breaks out right under her nose and she doesn't even notice because she's watching Harry.

This is the first instance I can recall of JKR breaking out of Harry's POV specifically to show us how Hermione is reacting to something involving Harry. Hermione is so intent on watching Harry that she doesn't notice THREE BOYS fighting right under her nose?? Just shows exactly where her attention is focused.

QUOTE

Before they go into Umbridge's office, the intensity of the argument between Harry and Hermione is telling to me. It's a very passionate argument and they get CLOSER to each other as they argue. It's like if you were watching it in a movie it would be like:

Hr................H
argue
Hr.......H
argue some more
Hr..H

You'd halfway be expecting them to start kissing at that point. I believe Harry is described as wanting to reach out and shake some sense into her or something. Anyway, they're getting more passionate and it's physically bringing them together rather than pushing them apart.

In a typical romance film or book that's EXACTLY what would happen - the hero and heroine, while fighting, advance on each other until you think one of them might slap or shake the other -- then they would lock lips for about 2 minutes

Seriously, that scene in OotP just screams sexual tension (unlike any R/Hr scene in any of the books

Yeah...I thought this scene was so emotionally charged, too for Harry and Hermione. I always see R/Hr arguing as simply that, bickering, just a spat and it stems out of their not being able to see each other eye to eye...

I asked my cousin ( she saw the movies first before reading the book) whom she thinks will get together and she said Ron and Hermione. I asked her why she think that is...Her answer is that, based from from the books she has read ( POA, she's onto GOF now. I let her read my books) and based on the movies, Harry doesn't see Hermione beyond the friend that she is. I then asked her whom she thinks Hermione likes and she said, Harry. SHe cares for her more and that she sees Ron and Hermione always bickering as cats and dogs...She likes H/Hr to be together in the end so I am so excited when she reads OOTP...I'll ask her again when she's read that and after we have watched OOTP.

Dragoncateliz

Feb 27 2007, 05:11 PM

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As the Brits say, well-spotted. A case could be made that if Hermione had told Harry ahead of time, he might have balked at doing the interview because he dislikes Rita so much.

come on! this is Hermione...I'm sure if she tried hard enough she could've persuaded him...

He had enough loyalty to hermione that he went to meet her in the middle of his first date without knowing why...

and maybe he did meet her blind and begrudging, but he still he blindly trusted her...and was more pleased having an interview with Hermione, one acquaintance, and one person he despises than he did spending time with Cho at all.

hexonjellybeans12

Mar 6 2007, 06:13 PM

QUOTE(Dragoncateliz @ Feb 27 2007, 08:11 PM)

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As the Brits say, well-spotted. A case could be made that if Hermione had told Harry ahead of time, he might have balked at doing the interview because he dislikes Rita so much.

come on! this is Hermione...I'm sure if she tried hard enough she could've persuaded him...

He had enough loyalty to hermione that he went to meet her in the middle of his first date without knowing why...

and maybe he did meet her blind and begrudging, but he still he blindly trusted her...and was more pleased having an interview with Hermione, one acquaintance, and one person he despises than he did spending time with Cho at all.

I agree. The interveiw with Rita was a perfect set up

Well done Hermione! I mean, Hermione could have picked any Hogsmeade weekend (and Rita was unemployed, it wasn't as if time were an issue for her), but she picks the one weekend in which Harry has his date with Cho. Fishy? Yep!

stan

Mar 6 2007, 07:15 PM

QUOTE(hexonjellybeans12 @ Mar 6 2007, 07:13 PM)

I agree. The interveiw with Rita was a perfect set up

Well done Hermione! I mean, Hermione could have picked any Hogsmeade weekend (and Rita was unemployed, it wasn't as if time were an issue for her), but she picks the one weekend in which Harry has his date with Cho. Fishy? Yep!

Well, technically, there are only two or three Hogsmead weekends in a year, and those are cancelled often enough. So, no, Hermione did not have all that much choice.

hexonjellybeans12

Mar 6 2007, 07:19 PM

QUOTE(stan @ Mar 6 2007, 10:15 PM)

QUOTE(hexonjellybeans12 @ Mar 6 2007, 07:13 PM)

I agree. The interveiw with Rita was a perfect set up

Well done Hermione! I mean, Hermione could have picked any Hogsmeade weekend (and Rita was unemployed, it wasn't as if time were an issue for her), but she picks the one weekend in which Harry has his date with Cho. Fishy? Yep!

Well, technically, there are only two or three Hogsmead weekends in a year, and those are cancelled often enough. So, no, Hermione did not have all that much choice.

True, but couldn't she have scheduled it after Harry's date with Cho, instead of right in the middle of it?

gti88

Mar 6 2007, 08:16 PM

QUOTE(hexonjellybeans12 @ Mar 7 2007, 03:19 AM)

QUOTE(stan @ Mar 6 2007, 10:15 PM)

QUOTE(hexonjellybeans12 @ Mar 6 2007, 07:13 PM)

I agree. The interveiw with Rita was a perfect set up

Well done Hermione! I mean, Hermione could have picked any Hogsmeade weekend (and Rita was unemployed, it wasn't as if time were an issue for her), but she picks the one weekend in which Harry has his date with Cho. Fishy? Yep!

Well, technically, there are only two or three Hogsmead weekends in a year, and those are cancelled often enough. So, no, Hermione did not have all that much choice.

True, but couldn't she have scheduled it after Harry's date with Cho, instead of right in the middle of it?

Harry didn't tell her when the date was, or how long it would continue...Hermione just told Harry when to meet her, and the more interesting thing here is, why was his meeting with Hermione a priority over Cho?

Books&Cleverness

Mar 7 2007, 01:33 AM

On one hand, and stealing for a while the topic from another thread, the harmonian argument that Hermione had sabotaged Harry's date on purpose is one that always embarassed me, in that I agree with stan that Hermione didn't have a choice. It was pretty much the only time when she could arrange the meeting with Rita, and I don't think that had anything to do with Harry's date.

On the other hand, one can easily see how bright she was that Harry's date with Cho didn't go well at all: she did not plan it, but she was happy that it went that way anyways; and one can easily see how Harry put Hermione over Cho without even thinking about it, which is what upset Cho, and rightly so.

So all in all, I don't think Hermione did that on purpose, but I think it is a chain of events which subtly shows that Hermione is interested in Harry, and that Harry puts Hermione above anyone else, without even realizing it.

Matchmaker harmony84

Mar 8 2007, 04:02 PM

QUOTE(hermione'sfrog @ Feb 24 2007, 11:30 PM)

There are so many in OotP, but I think the knitting scene is one of the most important. If she liked Ron, then why didn't she offer to teach him? No where does she mention that she wanted Ron to learn.
Also, the scene with Grawp. If Hermione liked Ron so much, she would have stayed at the game to watch him.

Oh my god I saw every other one on this topic. I just didn't see any of these wow. I'm glad I joined here today on march 8th.

senti_ives

Mar 8 2007, 07:37 PM

I've also thought that Hermione talking about Harry all the time (GOF, with Victor) is a tell-tale sign that she likes him more than a friend....