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xCarpeDiem
I looked through the three pages of this subforum and didn't find a topic similar to this so....

Which girl do you think Lily and James would feel is best for Harry? Whom would they warm up to more, Ginny or Hermione?

I've actually been thinking about it, and while I'd like to say Hermione (yeah, I am obviously biased) I can't help but think Ginny being interested in Quidditch would win major points with James, for example. Then again I think Lily would warm up to Hermione more, because (IMO) Lily was somewhat of a clever bookworm herself during her Hogwarts days, though not nearly as much as Hermione is.

While I'm on the subject, I'm wondering what Sirius and Remus thought/think too.
Miss Mady
So I'm biased and I want to say Hermione... but I would think that they would think that whoever makes Harry the happiest and really, truly loves him for 'just Harry', then James and Lily would approve.

...I still want to choose Hermione though.

Miss Mady
Molly Ginerva Malfoy
They'd both just love the girl Harry would choose. Hermoine would definitely win extra points with Lily because of the fact that they were both born into muggle families and are book-hungry. James...I don't know. Sirius would be partial to Ginny and Lupin would be indifferent.

Molly
Miss Mady
QUOTE(Molly)
Sirius would be partial to Ginny and Lupin would be indifferent.

Maybe because I'm biased, but I like to think that Sirius likes Hermione. I like fanfics that have Sirius prefer Hermione to Ginny for Harry... okay, I am biased... tongue.gif

Miss Mady
jennychan
okay correct me if I'm wrong (and I most likely am tongue.gif ) but didn't Sirius say something about Hermione being the brightest witch of her age in POA? I read a theory (or comment whatever tongue.gif ) that said he was probaly thinking of Lily when he said it. This could draw the conculsion that Sirius would most likely pick Hermione. In my opinion anyway. Hey I'm trying to be non-biased right now. tongue.gif

Also if Harry's parents ever knew about Ginny rock-star crush on Harry and if they saw how well Hermione knows Harry then I think their descion would be clear.

Besides what do you think they would say if they heard what Ginny said to Harry when they broke up?

"I knew you'd never be happy unless you were fighting Voldemort"

*Somewhere in heaven*

James: Oh yeah he's really happy fighting the person who killed us!
Lily: That wasn't a very smart thing to say now was it?
Sirius: That's because she's not the smart one. Its that Hermione I've been telling you about.
****************


Okay I've made my point and had my fun. I'll go now. biggrin.gif
mystiquefire
I think Harry's parents would have picked Hermione because she's that type of girl you can bring home to your mom.
I'm sure Lupin, Sirius, Hagrid, and Dumbledore would pick Hermione as well mainly because of her incredible intelligence.
And what parent wouldn't want their child to end with someone who understands him and protects him? Isn't friendship important to having lasting love?
Miss Mady
QUOTE(jennychan)
*Somewhere in heaven*

James: Oh yeah he's really happy fighting the person who killed us!
Lily: That wasn't a very smart thing to say now was it?
Sirius: That's because she's not the smart one. Its that Hermione I've been telling you about.

ROFL! I totally agree with Sirius!

QUOTE(jennychan)
okay correct me if I'm wrong (and I most likely am ) but didn't Sirius say something about Hermione being the brightest witch of her age in POA?

I think it was Lupin. I don't have the books right now, but I know it was either Sirius or Remus.

QUOTE(jennychan)
Also if Harry's parents ever knew about Ginny rock-star crush on Harry and if they saw how well Hermione knows Harry then I think their descion would be clear.

They'd definitely want Harry to be with Hermione.

Miss Mady
ladylaughalot
Personally I think what a parent looks for in their childs partner, is what sort of influence that person will be on their child. I think it's fairly safe to say that Ginny is a bad influence, she's reckless and she encourages Harry to be too, she thinks Harry can do no wrong and encourages him to think the same. Hermione on the other hand has always been a good influence on Harry, whether it's encouraging him to do his school work or telling him going to the DOM is a trap. I think that Lilly and James would see all of that and appreciate Hermione a lot more than Ginny. After all they would understand better than anyone the lengths Hermione seems prepared to go to to keep Harry alive.
gluglug
This is an interesting question….at first glance they might like Ginny – the red hair, her “spitfire” personality and that she made Harry happy for a few weeks. But they wouldn’t like the fact that she still has a skewed view of him as the noble hero and basically used other boys to get Harry to notice her (as she admitted as such).

I don’t think Lily would like the reckless side of Ginny’s personality. While fun and spontaneous – Harry doesn’t need someone who is reckless, he needs someone who is responsible and will watch out for Harry’s safety, something that Hermione has made a priority since the beginning.

If L/J are watching over Harry, then they already know how much Hermione cares for him, watches out for him and how she is a positive influence him. I would think that they are just like us, waiting for him to wake up and smell the pumpkin juice (heh!)
star22
At first, they'd think that no one was good enough for their son. Anyone who loved him and was good for him, though, would eventually win their respect. Given Harry's relationship with Hermione, I think they'd say that she'd be best, but who knows. They'd just want him to be happy and be in the best relationship he could be.
Livi Lovegood
QUOTE(xCarpeDiem @ Jan 22 2007, 01:07 AM) *

I looked through the three pages of this subforum and didn't find a topic similar to this so....

Which girl do you think Lily and James would feel is best for Harry? Whom would they warm up to more, Ginny or Hermione?

I've actually been thinking about it, and while I'd like to say Hermione (yeah, I am obviously biased) I can't help but think Ginny being interested in Quidditch would win major points with James, for example. Then again I think Lily would warm up to Hermione more, because (IMO) Lily was somewhat of a clever bookworm herself during her Hogwarts days, though not nearly as much as Hermione is.

While I'm on the subject, I'm wondering what Sirius and Remus thought/think too.


I agree that Ginny liking Quidditch would win points for her, but how do we know Lily was a bookworm like Hermione? Sure she was a prefect and head girl but that doesn't mean she is a goody-two shoes (before anyone shouts at me for hating Hermione I absolutely adore her, but you have to admit, she is!). From what Slughorn has told us Lily was quite cheeky and very similar to how I picture Ginny.

I also think that the Marauders (as a whole) would have prefered Ginny, who is much more fun than Hermione! She is obviously like Fred and George, a trouble maker and in fun, a kindred spirit to the Marauders you could say!

Also, I'm sorry but Ginny is clearly better for Harry. She is his 'greatest source of comfort' she obviously makes him happy and she can deal with his temper fair better than Hermione. Isn't that what Lily and James would want?

Harry/Ginny all the way
- I say

Miss Mady
QUOTE
Also, I'm sorry but Ginny is clearly better for Harry. She is his 'greatest source of comfort' she obviously makes him happy and she can deal with his temper fair better than Hermione. Isn't that what Lily and James would want?

Greatest source of comfort? Really? I don't think that was mentioned in any of the books. Hermione's always there for him and she can comfort him better than Ginny can, at least she can to *my* knowledge. I don't believe I've seen Ginny comforting Harry.

The Harry Potter Lexicon has this to say about her:
QUOTE(HP Lexicon)
An excellent student
Lily was a very talented student at Hogwarts (c. 1969-1976), eventually becoming Head Girl in her last year. She was in Gryffindor House (Sch2). Her former Potions professor Horace Slughorn has fond memories of her: "Lily Evans. One of the brightest I ever taught. Vivacious, you know. Charming girl. I used to tell her she ought to have been in my House. Very cheeky answers I used to get back too." (HBP4) Slughorn says she was very good at Potions; her wand would also seem to indicate that she would be strong with charms.

Underline=mine. "Very talented" doesn't have to mean she's a bookworm, but it clearly shows she's smart. "One of the brightest" shows that too.

Okay, that's all I've to say about this. No debating for me. (Ergh... I think I've gone past that. dry.gif)

Miss Mady
Livi Lovegood
QUOTE(Miss Mady @ Feb 25 2007, 11:03 PM) *


Greatest source of comfort? Really? I don't think that was mentioned in any of the books. Hermione's always there for him and she can comfort him better than Ginny can, at least she can to *my* knowledge. I don't believe I've seen Ginny comforting Harry.



I wasn't directly quoting the book. However we have seen Ginny comforting Harry.
Remember who it was who pulled Harry away from Dumbledore's body?
Hagrid completely failed at trying to persuade Harry to leave Dumbledore but Ginny manages to with the touch of a hand.

We also know (because it is stated quite clearly in the books) that Ginny made Harry the happiest he had been in a long time.


Oh also, I know you weren't arguing with me over my opinion of Lily. But 'brightest' and 'very talented does not mean 'Hermione-ish'.
Miss Mady
QUOTE
I wasn't directly quoting the book. However we have seen Ginny comforting Harry.
Remember who it was who pulled Harry away from Dumbledore's body?
Hagrid completely failed at trying to persuade Harry to leave Dumbledore but Ginny manages to with the touch of a hand.

Yes, but he didn't even realize that it was Ginny until later... if I'm not mistaken.

Note to self: I need to stop debating. Hmm.

Miss Mady
Livi Lovegood
i don't mean to debate either, but i have been sucked in.

the likely hood is that lily and james will see ginny as harry's ideal woman because that is exactly what jkr made her to be.

don't believe me? this is the mugglenet/leaky cauldron interview:

QUOTE

MA: I think you set that up from the train compartment scene [in Book 1], where he was watching - all the relationships, that scene probably set it up.

JKR: I think so. I hope so. So you liked Harry/Ginny, did you, when it happened?

ES: We've been waiting for this for years!

JKR: Oh, I'm so glad.

MA: Oh my gosh, that kiss!

JKR: Yeah.

ES: It actually materialized!

JKR: It actually happened, I know! I felt a little bit like that.

MA: Had you been trying to get them -

JKR: Well I always knew that that was going to happen, that they were going to come together and then part.

ES: Were you always -----ing it? [We can't figure out what Emerson actually said here.]

JKR: Well, no, not really, because the plan was, which I really hope I fulfilled, is that the reader, like Harry, would gradually discover Ginny as pretty much the ideal girl for Harry. She's tough, not in an unpleasant way, but she's gutsy. He needs to be with someone who can stand the demands of being with Harry Potter, because he's a scary boyfriend in a lot of ways. He's a marked man. I think she's funny, and I think that she's very warm and compassionate. These are all things that Harry requires in his ideal woman. But, I felt - and I'm talking years ago when all this was planned - initially, she's terrified by his image. I mean, he's a bit of a rock god to her when she sees him first at 10 or 11, and he's this famous boy. So Ginny had to go through a journey as well. And rather like with Ron, I didn't want Ginny to be the first girl that Harry ever kissed. That's something I meant to say, and it's kind of tied in.

One of the ways in which I tried to show that Harry has done a lot of growing up - in Phoenix, remember when Cho comes into the compartment, and he thinks, "I wish I could have been discovered sitting with better people," basically? He's with Luna and Neville. So literally the identical thing happens in Prince, and he's with Luna and Neville again, but this time, he has grown up, and as far as he's concerned he is with two of the coolest people on the train. They may not look that cool. Harry has really grown. And I feel that Ginny and Harry, in this book, they are total equals. They are worthy of each other. They've both gone through a big emotional journey, and they've really got over a lot of delusions, to use your word, together. So, I enjoyed writing that. I really like Ginny as a character.
Miss Mady
QUOTE(Livi Lovegood)
the likely hood is that lily and james will see ginny as harry's ideal woman because that is exactly what jkr made her to be.

I'm very well aware of the interview. I think lots of PK-ers here are.
QUOTE(www.dictionary.com)
Ideal:
1. a conception of something in its perfection.
2. a standard of perfection or excellence.
3. a person or thing conceived as embodying such a conception or conforming to such a standard, and taken as a model for imitation: Thomas Jefferson was his ideal.
4. an ultimate object or aim of endeavor, esp. one of high or noble character: He refuses to compromise any of his ideals.
5. something that exists only in the imagination: To achieve the ideal is almost hopeless.
6. Mathematics. a subring of a ring, any element of which when multiplied by any element of the ring results in an element of the subring.

Bolding mine.

"Ideal" does not mean perfect, as is supported by the dictionary definition(s). It's an idea of perfection-- it doesn't mean it's perfect. So, Ginny is not perfect for Harry.

Ginny? Ideal? An idea of perfection? Ginny represents what Harry thinks is ideal. Ginny represents what he thinks is perfect.

QUOTE(J.K. Rowling @ MN/TLC Interview)
I think she's funny, and I think that she's very warm and compassionate. These are all things that Harry requires in his ideal woman.


Compare/Contrast:
Ginny:
friends with Luna
QUOTE(Chapter 15: The Unbreakable Vow @ Page 311, HBP)
"Oh it's been all right," said Luna. "A bit lonely without the D.A. Ginny's been nice, though. She stopped two boys in our Transfiguration class calling me, 'Loony' the other day--"
...
gives Harry singing cards
QUOTE(Chapter 13: The Very Secret Diary @ Page 258, CoS)
"Right," he said, sitting on Harry's ankles, "here is your singing Valentine:
"His eyes are as greena as a fresh pickled toad,
His hair is as dark as a blackboard,
I wish he was mine, he's really divine,
The hero who conquered the Dark Lord."
...
defends Harry
QUOTE(Chapter 24: Sectumsempra @ Page 530-531, HBP)
[snip]"Give it a rest, Hermione!" said Ginny, and Harry was so amazed, so grateful, he looked up. "By the sound of it, Malofy was trying to use an Unforgivable Curse, you should be glad Harry had something good up his sleeve!"
"Well, of course, I"m glad Harry wasn't cursed!" said Hermione, clearly stung...[snip]... And I'd have thought, seeing what this has done to your chances in the match--"
"Oh, don't start acting as though you understand Quidditch," snapped Ginny, "you'll only embarrass yourself."
[snip]...Harry, however, little though he knew he deserved it, felt unbelievably cheerful all of a sudden, even though none of them spoke again for the rest of the evening.

QUOTE(Chapter Four: Flourish and Blotts @ Page 70, CoS)
"Famous Harry Potter," said Malfoy. "Can't even go into a bookshop without making the front page."
"Leave him alone, he didn't want all that!" said Ginny.

...
chocolate scene
QUOTE(Chapter 29: Careers Advice @ Page 577, OotP)
"It's Easter Eggs from Mum," said Ginny, "There's one for you...there you go." [snip] "Are you OK, Harry?" Ginny said quietly.
"Yeah, I'm fine," [snip] "You seem really down lately," Ginny persisted. "You know, I'm sure if you just talked to Cho..."
"It's not Cho I want to talk to," said Harry brusquely.
"Who is it, then?" asked Ginny, watching him closely.
"I..."
[snip] "I wish I could talk to Sirius," he muttered. "But I know I can't." [snip]
"Well," said Ginny slowly, helping herself to a bit of egg, too, "if you really want to talk to Sirius, I expect we could think of a way to do it."


Hermione:
says Voldemort and IT CALMS HIM DOWN, in contrast to Ginny saying it and him NOT NOTICING IT AT ALL
QUOTE(Chapter 15: The Hogwarts High Inquisitor @ Page 293, OotP)
He looked helplessly at Hermione, whose face was stricken.
"Harry," she said timidly, "don't you see? This... this is exactly why we need you... we need to know what it's r-really like... facing him... facing Voldemort."
It was the first time she had ever said Voldemort's name and it was this, more than anything else, that calmed Harry. Still breathing hard, he sank back into his chair, becoming aware as he did so that his hand was throbbing horribly again.

...
gets Harry out of his room... the ONLY one who could get Harry out of his room
QUOTE(Chapter 23: Christmas on the Closed Ward @ Page 440, OotP)
"I know you're in there," said Hermione's voice. "Will you please come out? I want to talk to you."
"What are you doing here?" Harry asked her, pulling open the door as Buckbeak resumed his scratching at the straw-strewn floor for any fragments of rat he may have dropped. "I thought you were skiing with your mum and dad?"

...
Hermione is pretty much the only one who believes him when he says he "didn't put his name in the goblet".
QUOTE(Chapter 18: The Weighing of the Wands @ Page 317, GoF)
"Hello," she said, holding up a stack which she was carrying in a napkin. "I brought you this... want to go for a walk?"
"Good idea," said Harry, gratefully. [snip]... Harry told Hermione exactly what had happened after hehad left the Gryffindor table the night before. To his immense relief, Hermoine accepted his story without question.
"Well, of course, I knew you hadn't entered yourself," she said, when he'd finished telling her about the scene in the chamber off the Hall. "The look on your face when Dumbledore read out your name! [snip]..."

...
when Hermione reassures Harry that he's NOT a bad kisser
QUOTE(Chapter 21: The Eye of the Snake @ Page 405, OotP)
"Oh," said Ron, his smile fading slightly, "Are you that bad at kissing?
"Dunno," said Harry, who hadn't considered this, and immediately felt rather worried, "Maybe I am."
"Of course you're not," said Hermione absently, still scribbling away at her letter."


NOTE: I couldn't have gotten this done without Arthur (Hermione's Hero) and James (The Obsidian Warlock)'s help. Seriously, this wouldn't have been completed. wink.gif

ANOTHER NOTE: The page numbers might differ. I have SS/PS, CoS, GoF, and OotP in British edition, and PoA and HBP in American edition.

Miss Mady
Dragoncateliz
Maybe this was touched on before but doesn't JKR say part of what made the Harry/Ginny relationship so special was that in book 6 they were each other's equals??

Do I need to recap the number of not so nice things Harry did in book 6?

1. err debasing Hagrid's funeral...aragog wasn't some nothing, that spider was the reason Hagrid got expelled! rip.gif

2. Cheating like crazy in potions, not listening to one of his two best friends..

3. Becoming so obsessed with Draco Malfoy that even Dumbledore was severly dissapointed with him.

4. Nearly killing Draco Malfoy.

What gets me every time though is that he was in a manner of sense, so worthless, (too harsh?) in book 6 that his team didn't even need him to win, I mean he's the captain, he wasn't even missed.

If this is what Harry is equal to then, then in my opinion Ginny is the perfect girl for him, but if the descriptions of Harry's unsatisfactory behavior are there to show how much more of his potential he reaches in year 7 then that perfect girl either needs to change VERY quickly...or get replaced...

by a lovely bookworm.

I don't think that after all the maturing James must've done to get to Lily, he (or she who disliked book 5 Prongs so much) could like Ginny or the way their son behaved when he fancied her.
Livi Lovegood
QUOTE(Miss Mady @ Feb 26 2007, 01:07 AM) *

QUOTE
the likely hood is that lily and james will see ginny as harry's ideal woman because that is exactly what jkr made her to be.

I'm very well aware of the interview. I think lots of PK-ers here are.
QUOTE
Ideal:
1. a conception of something in its perfection.
2. a standard of perfection or excellence.
3. a person or thing conceived as embodying such a conception or conforming to such a standard, and taken as a model for imitation: Thomas Jefferson was his ideal.
4. an ultimate object or aim of endeavor, esp. one of high or noble character: He refuses to compromise any of his ideals.
5. something that exists only in the imagination: To achieve the ideal is almost hopeless.
6. Mathematics. a subring of a ring, any element of which when multiplied by any element of the ring results in an element of the subring.

Bolding mine.

"Ideal" does not mean perfect, as is supported by the dictionary definition(s). It's an idea of perfection-- it doesn't mean it's perfect. So, Ginny is not perfect for Harry.

Ginny? Ideal? An idea of perfection? Ginny represents what Harry thinks is ideal. Normal, pretty, fiery. But he's not going to settle for that. His life is full of action. He won't just settle for 'normal'.

Miss Mady



see i translate the definition to mean that ginny is perfect for harry. even if she is only harry's idea of perfection surely that is perfect?
it is harry's choice who he ends up with and that will be who he thinks is perfect; his ideal of perfect.

QUOTE(Dragoncateliz @ Feb 26 2007, 01:19 AM) *

Maybe this was touched on before but doesn't JKR say part of what made the Harry/Ginny relationship so special was that in book 6 they were each other's equals??

Do I need to recap the number of not so nice things Harry did in book 6?

1. err debasing Hagrid's funeral...aragog wasn't some nothing, that spider was the reason Hagrid got expelled! rip.gif

2. Cheating like crazy in potions, not listening to one of his two best friends..

3. Becoming so obsessed with Draco Malfoy that even Dumbledore was severly dissapointed with him.

4. Nearly killing Draco Malfoy.

What gets me every time though is that he was in a manner of sense, so worthless, (too harsh?) in book 6 that his team didn't even need him to win, I mean he's the captain, he wasn't even missed.

If this is what Harry is equal to then, then in my opinion Ginny is the perfect girl for him, but if the descriptions of Harry's unsatisfactory behavior are there to show how much more of his potential he reaches in year 7 then that perfect girl either needs to change VERY quickly...or get replaced...

by a lovely bookworm.

I don't think that after all the maturing James must've done to get to Lily, he (or she who disliked book 5 Prongs so much) could like Ginny or the way their son behaved when he fancied her.



but he still ends up having one of the happiest times of his life because of ginny.

sorry, but hermione's been there from the start and sure the evidence says she's been a great friend to harry, but in the long run being friend's with her has never made him so happy as when he was dating ginny.
she has been there for six years and harry has yet to notice her. meanwhile ginny was only really herself for a year before harry started to like her - and most of that year he liked cho.

and sorry but what is wrong with the way ginny or harry behaves? surely it's exactly the same as they normally are? ginny isn't irresponsible or stupid.
she doesn't pull dangerous tricks or pranks on people.

from what we've seen of her she is mature, sensible, enjoyable company and willing to do anything for harry.
Miss Mady
I've edited my post. It's much longer, but it has canon quotes that I used to support the compare and contrast.

QUOTE(Livi Lovegood)
and sorry but what is wrong with the way ginny or harry behaves? surely it's exactly the same as they normally are? ginny isn't irresponsible or stupid.
she doesn't pull dangerous tricks or pranks on people.

She crashed Smith into the Quidditch stands, could've seriously injured him, but still got away with nothing. Irresponsible or stupid? The diary. Sure she was 11, but her dad warned their entire family about it.

QUOTE(Livi Lovegood)
from what we've seen of her she is mature, sensible, enjoyable company and willing to do anything for harry.

Mature?
QUOTE(Chapter 5: The Order of the Phoenix @ Page 86-87, OotP)
"Very well," said Mrs. Weasley, her voice cracking. "Ginny -- Ron -- Hermione -- Fred -- George -- I want you out of this kitchen, now."
There was an instant uproar.
[snip]
"Mum, I want to hear!" wailed Ginny.
[snip]"Fine!" shouted Mrs. Weasley. "Fine! Ginny -- BED!"
Ginny did not go quietly. They could hear her raging and storming at her mother all the way up the stairs, and when she reached the hall... [snip]

Mature, all right. rolleyes.gif

Miss Mady
Dragoncateliz
What about her insulting Fleur all the time??

Her snide unprovoked comments towards Hermione--and proof that Harry was in a deep state of denial about who he was is simply showed by the fact that he didn't feel any indignation on Hermione' s part. Even if it had been Remus who said it, Harry would've regardless at least challenged the tone of what was said.

Ginny didn't offer Hermione any real shoulder to lean on in book 6, though they've supposedly been good friends for several years and left her to Luna who though a very sweet person, Hermione doesn't particularly like and doesn't particularly know.

Part of why Harry was so happy was because he was pretending he didn't have this great path before him, a burdenless life of a normal teenager was something he'd never faced before and she helped him pretend. He felt no real grief for Sirius, a combination of brother and father figure, who he loved very much, and Cedric Diggory, a boy whose good qualities he respected, but was otherwise indifferent to (neglecting of course the cho-cedric animosity) he spent a year torn apart by his death.

I'd also like to add--maybe this doesn't completly count because it's pre-book 6, but in the DoM, Harry sees Ginny smash against a wall, incapciated and he holds no reaction but the strengthened decision to run as fast as he can, he thinks of ron (who's being strangled by brain tentacles blush.gif ) tops three times (I remember it being 2 but...could be 3) until he sees him again several pages later, but Hermione he drops down beside and is unable to continue without assuring himself of her still having a pulse.

I cite these examples to prove:

1. If Hermione and Ron are equal his reaction to their 'deaths' should be the same. Even if he was forced to keep running from Ron his conscious brain should've spared him a few more instances of concern.

2. If Ginny is the love of Harry's life--sorry, I know how cliche it sounds--shouldn't there be a smidgen, just a smidgen of feeling on his part? Why does he break down when Hermione's dead?

Because his feelings in the DoM (based on the buildup from 5 books) continue in HBP, and the anthisesitcal (word?) way he feels about Hermione is him repressing her because he realizes in those scenes how important she is to him.
Livi Lovegood
QUOTE(Dragoncateliz @ Feb 26 2007, 06:04 AM) *

What about her insulting Fleur all the time??

Her snide unprovoked comments towards Hermione--and proof that Harry was in a deep state of denial about who he was is simply showed by the fact that he didn't feel any indignation on Hermione' s part. Even if it had been Remus who said it, Harry would've regardless at least challenged the tone of what was said.

Ginny didn't offer Hermione any real shoulder to lean on in book 6, though they've supposedly been good friends for several years and left her to Luna who though a very sweet person, Hermione doesn't particularly like and doesn't particularly know.

Part of why Harry was so happy was because he was pretending he didn't have this great path before him, a burdenless life of a normal teenager was something he'd never faced before and she helped him pretend. He felt no real grief for Sirius, a combination of brother and father figure, who he loved very much, and Cedric Diggory, a boy whose good qualities he respected, but was otherwise indifferent to (neglecting of course the cho-cedric animosity) he spent a year torn apart by his death.

I'd also like to add--maybe this doesn't completly count because it's pre-book 6, but in the DoM, Harry sees Ginny smash against a wall, incapciated and he holds no reaction but the strengthened decision to run as fast as he can, he thinks of ron (who's being strangled by brain tentacles blush.gif ) tops three times (I remember it being 2 but...could be 3) until he sees him again several pages later, but Hermione he drops down beside and is unable to continue without assuring himself of her still having a pulse.

I cite these examples to prove:

1. If Hermione and Ron are equal his reaction to their 'deaths' should be the same. Even if he was forced to keep running from Ron his conscious brain should've spared him a few more instances of concern.

2. If Ginny is the love of Harry's life--sorry, I know how cliche it sounds--shouldn't there be a smidgen, just a smidgen of feeling on his part? Why does he break down when Hermione's dead?

Because his feelings in the DoM (based on the buildup from 5 books) continue in HBP, and the anthisesitcal (word?) way he feels about Hermione is him repressing her because he realizes in those scenes how important she is to him.


Hermione is his best friend, you love your best friend right? you'd be in tears if you thought he/she was dead. Ginny however was only a friend and Ron's little sister - thus no huge reaction.

Ginny doesn't like Fleur, besides, I bet all of us here have been nasty to someone.

Personally I can't remember any snide comments towards Hermione, maybe I need to reread the book. But Ginny isn't Hermione's best friend and vice versa. The fact that she is nice to Luna is a good thing. And the trio are hardly constantly friendly to Ginny, in OoP they kept ignoring her, Neville and Luna's offers of help. Hermione never chooses Ginny over the boys, why should Ginny choose Hermione?
Miss Mady
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Personally I can't remember any snide comments towards Hermione, maybe I need to reread the book. But Ginny isn't Hermione's best friend and vice versa. The fact that she is nice to Luna is a good thing. And the trio are hardly constantly friendly to Ginny, in OoP they kept ignoring her, Neville and Luna's offers of help. Hermione never chooses Ginny over the boys, why should Ginny choose Hermione?

Ginny's snide comment to Hermione:
QUOTE(Chapter 24: Sectumsempra @ Page 530-531, HBP)
[snip]"Give it a rest, Hermione!" said Ginny, and Harry was so amazed, so grateful, he looked up. "By the sound of it, Malofy was trying to use an Unforgivable Curse, you should be glad Harry had something good up his sleeve!"
"Well, of course, I"m glad Harry wasn't cursed!" said Hermione, clearly stung...[snip]... And I'd have thought, seeing what this has done to your chances in the match--"
"Oh, don't start acting as though you understand Quidditch," snapped Ginny, "you'll only embarrass yourself."
[snip]...Harry, however, little though he knew he deserved it, felt unbelievably cheerful all of a sudden, even though none of them spoke again for the rest of the evening.

The trio aren't "friendly" with Ginny because she was barely in the books. And maybe Hermione doesn't choose Ginny because she's hardly in there. Just a thought. wink.gif

Miss Mady
Livi Lovegood
QUOTE(Miss Mady @ Feb 26 2007, 05:20 PM) *

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Personally I can't remember any snide comments towards Hermione, maybe I need to reread the book. But Ginny isn't Hermione's best friend and vice versa. The fact that she is nice to Luna is a good thing. And the trio are hardly constantly friendly to Ginny, in OoP they kept ignoring her, Neville and Luna's offers of help. Hermione never chooses Ginny over the boys, why should Ginny choose Hermione?

Ginny's snide comment to Hermione:
QUOTE(Chapter 24: Sectumsempra @ Page 530-531, HBP)
[snip]"Give it a rest, Hermione!" said Ginny, and Harry was so amazed, so grateful, he looked up. "By the sound of it, Malofy was trying to use an Unforgivable Curse, you should be glad Harry had something good up his sleeve!"
"Well, of course, I"m glad Harry wasn't cursed!" said Hermione, clearly stung...[snip]... And I'd have thought, seeing what this has done to your chances in the match--"
"Oh, don't start acting as though you understand Quidditch," snapped Ginny, "you'll only embarrass yourself."
[snip]...Harry, however, little though he knew he deserved it, felt unbelievably cheerful all of a sudden, even though none of them spoke again for the rest of the evening.

The trio aren't "friendly" with Ginny because she was barely in the books. And maybe Hermione doesn't choose Ginny because she's hardly in there. Just a thought. wink.gif

Miss Mady



Justifying that Ginny shouldn't have to always be best buddies with Hermione.

Ginny is a normal teenage girl.

She has a temper, who doesn't? So she flew into Smith, who wouldn't?
If I remember rightly Hermione confunded McLaggen, no one is perfect.

And you cannot blame her for the diary! How many of you would have not been tricked by Tom? She was sheltered and still slightly naive, so she ignored her fathers warning, again, who doesn't? Fred and George trust the Marauders Map. Ginny was in a new place with no proper friends and when Tom started writing back she saw a friend in him.

I don't think Ginny is perfect. Amongst other things she has a temper, when she was eleven she was naive but she has since matured.
Hermione isn't perfect either. She is bossy, a know-it-all etc. Harry also has a temper, he tends to be rash and doesn't think things through. Ron has a temper too! They all have flaws, would we love them so much if they didn't?

I've seen people who don't like Ginny because she is 'too perfect' and refer to 'Ginny Sue' but you are saying that you don't like her because she is in fact a normal teenager whose flaws are actually a lot smaller in comparison to Harry, remember that anger problem he had? or how about the tendency to want to act the hero?
A lot of the things Ginny does are what normal teenage girls do. In fact most teenage girls are much worse.

Everyone will snap to anyone under certain circumstances and I think Ginny's circumstances fall into that category. She was stressed and worried about the match, why shouldn't snap at Hermione, the girl who is basically having a go at one of Ginny's friends.

I think we have probably interpreted the books in very different ways.
It's only natural we have, I'm assuming you're H/Hr, whereas I've never been (I always liked R/Hr thus H/Hr wasn't an option). Maybe I've been ignoring Ginny's worst faults, but personally I think that she is a normal teenage girl. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

She is no worse than the majority of us in this chat. (I'm sorry if any of you find this comment insulting but I highly doubt none of you can name a flaw in yourselfs.)

I am no different to Ginny, I have a temper - though I generally try to control (try, not always suceed).
I tend to say things that can be found offensive without thinking it through or even meaning it (some of you may have already found an example already within this forums, I don't know) and I snap at people a lot when I am stressed.
My friends will tell you I think far to much about what appears on shiny surfaces when I stand in front of it and though I am not superficial or quite a lot of other things people sometimes think I am.

And all of this was an attempt to persuade you that Ginny is not a terrible girl, I don't mind if you don't like her but please don't accuse her of something that loads of people are and is in fact to be expected from any student at Hogwarts.
Miss Mady
QUOTE(Livi Lovegood)
If I remember rightly Hermione confunded McLaggen, no one is perfect.

Yes, I'm not saying Hermione's perfect either. I'm saying that she flew into Smith and did NOT get any form of punishment, not even a beratement from McGonagall.

QUOTE(Livi Lovegood)
I've seen people who don't like Ginny because she is 'too perfect' and refer to 'Ginny Sue' but you are saying that you don't like her because she is in fact a normal teenager whose flaws are actually a lot smaller in comparison to Harry, remember that anger problem he had? or how about the tendency to want to act the hero?
A lot of the things Ginny does are what normal teenage girls do. In fact most teenage girls are much worse.

There are some (me included) that don't like Ginny because of the way she's written. The way she seems so perfect, is so pretty, can do a "Bat Bogey Hex", etc., etc... Of course she has faults. Everyone has faults. They're just not shown that much... except the temper, of course. wink.gif

QUOTE(Livi Lovegood)
I think we have probably interpreted the books in very different ways.
It's only natural we have, I'm assuming you're H/Hr, whereas I've never been (I always liked R/Hr thus H/Hr wasn't an option). Maybe I've been ignoring Ginny's worst faults, but personally I think that she is a normal teenage girl. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

We all interpret the books our own way. Harmonians see it one way, Herons and Chocos another.

QUOTE(Livi Lovegood)
And all of this was an attempt to persuade you that Ginny is not a terrible girl, I don't mind if you don't like her but please don't accuse her of something that loads of people are and is in fact to be expected from any student at Hogwarts.

Okay, I don't like her. You do. It's fine. Hmm, should we stay on the topic of L/J?

Miss Mady
snoopy_pie
QUOTE(Livi Lovegood @ Feb 26 2007, 12:57 PM) *


Justifying that Ginny shouldn't have to always be best buddies with Hermione.

Ginny is a normal teenage girl.

She has a temper, who doesn't? So she flew into Smith, who wouldn't?
If I remember rightly Hermione confunded McLaggen, no one is perfect.

And you cannot blame her for the diary! How many of you would have not been tricked by Tom? She was sheltered and still slightly naive, so she ignored her fathers warning, again, who doesn't? Fred and George trust the Marauders Map. Ginny was in a new place with no proper friends and when Tom started writing back she saw a friend in him.

I don't think Ginny is perfect. Amongst other things she has a temper, when she was eleven she was naive but she has since matured.
Hermione isn't perfect either. She is bossy, a know-it-all etc. Harry also has a temper, he tends to be rash and doesn't think things through. Ron has a temper too! They all have flaws, would we love them so much if they didn't?

I've seen people who don't like Ginny because she is 'too perfect' and refer to 'Ginny Sue' but you are saying that you don't like her because she is in fact a normal teenager whose flaws are actually a lot smaller in comparison to Harry, remember that anger problem he had? or how about the tendency to want to act the hero?
A lot of the things Ginny does are what normal teenage girls do. In fact most teenage girls are much worse.

Everyone will snap to anyone under certain circumstances and I think Ginny's circumstances fall into that category. She was stressed and worried about the match, why shouldn't snap at Hermione, the girl who is basically having a go at one of Ginny's friends.

I think we have probably interpreted the books in very different ways.
It's only natural we have, I'm assuming you're H/Hr, whereas I've never been (I always liked R/Hr thus H/Hr wasn't an option). Maybe I've been ignoring Ginny's worst faults, but personally I think that she is a normal teenage girl. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

She is no worse than the majority of us in this chat. (I'm sorry if any of you find this comment insulting but I highly doubt none of you can name a flaw in yourselfs.)

I am no different to Ginny, I have a temper - though I generally try to control (try, not always suceed).
I tend to say things that can be found offensive without thinking it through or even meaning it (some of you may have already found an example already within this forums, I don't know) and I snap at people a lot when I am stressed.
My friends will tell you I think far to much about what appears on shiny surfaces when I stand in front of it and though I am not superficial or quite a lot of other things people sometimes think I am.

And all of this was an attempt to persuade you that Ginny is not a terrible girl, I don't mind if you don't like her but please don't accuse her of something that loads of people are and is in fact to be expected from any student at Hogwarts.



Ginny is not perfect. That is so true but what makes her a mary sue is that she does make mistakes but there are no consequences for the things she does wrong. The other characters in the book do not hold her accountable for those mistakes. THat is what makes her a Ginny sue. Yes we know she did make mistakes and she did do some things wrong as did all the other characters. But the other Characters calls them on it. They recognize the faults. with Ginny everyone seems to praise her mistakes or ignore them. That is what makes her a Ginny Sue. Don't forget while we the readers may see and acknowlege the mistakes it doesn't matter if the characters in the books don't acknowledge them as well.

Now don't get me wrong I actually like Ginny. Probably one of the few H/Hr shippers who does. I just believe that Ginny is not Harry's true love. She was a stepping stone that Harry needed in order to find the meaning of love. Ginny was just a normal teenage girl who finally caught the attention of the boy who she has crushed on since book 1. But that is all it was my dear. Crushes generally do not a great love make. Not when they start at 11 years old. Why even Ginny herself states that she doesn't love Harry so I really don't understand why H/G shippers think it is.

Nothing about their relationship shows love or even a close emotional relationship other than physical satisfaction. Sure I guess it could turn into one but this late in the series it is simply to late.

Ginny was Harry's Girlfriend. Nothing more.

On another note LOL you said:

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She was stressed and worried about the match, why shouldn't snap at Hermione, the girl who is basically having a go at one of Ginny's friends.


One of Ginny's friends? I don't know what book you are reading but in my book Hermione is a far better friend to Harry than Ginny ever was or ever will be. Ginny is wrong. You do realize that Ginny is defending what Harry did to Draco right? Harry almost killed Draco. Thanks to Ginny Harry stopped feeling much guilt at all over the incident. Which in my opinion was not a good thing. Ginny is blindly supporting anything and everything Harry does. That my friend is not a good sign for your ship at all.

Livi Lovegood
[quote name='snoopy_pie' date='Feb 26 2007, 06:37 PM' post='306028']
[quote name='Livi Lovegood' post='306019' date='Feb 26 2007, 12:57 PM']

J[quote]She was stressed and worried about the match, why shouldn't snap at Hermione, the girl who is basically having a go at one of Ginny's friends.[/quote]

One of Ginny's friends? I don't know what book you are reading but in my book Hermione is a far better friend to Harry than Ginny ever was or ever will be. Ginny is wrong. You do realize that Ginny is defending what Harry did to Draco right? Harry almost killed Draco. Thanks to Ginny Harry stopped feeling much guilt at all over the incident. Which in my opinion was not a good thing. Ginny is blindly supporting anything and everything Harry does. That my friend is not a good sign for your ship at all.
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Ginny has been Harry's friend since OoP, not best friends but still.
Maybe you are not like me, but if someone is having a go at a person (even if it is their best friend and not mine) I will stick up for that person.
The way I see it Ginny was tired of Hermione berating Harry, Ginny doesn't - unless my memory is poor in which case oops! - say to Harry "who cares, Malfoy's a horrid boy who deserved it", she doesn't encourage him to do it again.
Ginny just tells Hermione to shut up. I would, I love Hermione to death but she is extremely annoying at times!

Oh and about that thing that Ginny wasn't punished for the Smith thing - did you honestly expect McGonagall too? 1/ it was an accident *wink/wink* and 2/ i would have thought McGonagall was just as annoyed with him as the rest of the Gryffindors

Miss Mady's right, we should get back to James and Lily.
WinkySmiles
I am going to say this and only this...

At first glance Ginny may seem to be the perfect girl for harry.. I mean she is full of fire and talented..But she is not really what a parent would call a good choice if they look a little deeper.. I mean she dates random guys and even her own brothers think that she is loose (no none of them used that exact word, but I am). I believe that Hermione would have been their choice. Sweet, muggleborn like Lily, smart, full of attitude, and a constant for Harry..When he has no one else he has Her...What parent could resist this?
hereafter
In all honesty, I believe their are qualities in both girls that they would find appealing. (please don't kill me) Hermione, being the brilliant witch that she is, would appeal to lily because they are both muggle born and very smart. Ginny on the other hand who is more gutsy. could appeal to james, as he liked lily who as slughorn said, was quite gutsy (and cheeky).etc....
hereafter
Although, in the end I believe that they would be happy with whoever harry chooses and whoever makes him happy smile.gif (of course like most of you here I hope it is Hermione! wub.gif )
mathiasgranger
I would say they would pick Hermione because James would value her unwavering loyalty to Harry and how clever she is. Lily would value her social conscience and big heart, mixed with a little bit of cunning and drive.

Ginny would be an ideal first girlfriend for Harry in their eyes, the one that teaches him how to treat girls, but keeps him on his toes.

Cho...that poor girl was just trying to fill the hole in her life left by Cedric...I actually doubt she liked Harry all that much.
mathiasgranger
Yes that pretty much sums up my reasoning. biggrin.gif
_supergirl
For all the previous reasons... Hermione, obviously.


I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Jonathan/Martha Kent. (At least from the previous seasons) They know that Clark has always have feelings for Lana, so they support their relationship. But, I do think that Martha would rather have Chloe as daugther in law. Even if that may not happen crying.gif


Anyway, here I am bringing up again my Smallville obsession.




And about Sirius and Lupin. Even if Ginny knows them both, she has taken her time to get to know each of them well enough.

Sirius would choose Hermione, I believe. Also, she was with Harry when they rescued him from the dementors. That's got to give her some points.

Remus' comment in the PoA movie, refering to Lily, kind of reminds me to Hermione. I do believe he'd be a bit indiferent but, given the case if he had to give his opinion, he'd choose Hermione.
mathiasgranger
Oh be still my heart...chloe/clark....you are my hero!

One of the best fanfics for Lily/Hermione interaction is

Lily Potter and the Worst Holiday

http://fanfiction.portkey.org/story/5447

That should plainly show why Hermione would be the choice of Lily and James. It's Post OOTP...
mathiasgranger
I think it is fair to add that any oedipus complex issues would side completely on Ginny's side. Harry knows beyond the shadow of a doubt his mother looks like Ginny...he doesn't know how similar Hermione actually is to her behavior.

I would think Lily and James would see that their son was simply looking for a disposable source of comfort. Something which he wouldn't do with Hermione, but did do with Ginny.
Jeannie
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JKR: Well, no, not really, because the plan was, which I really hope I fulfilled, is that the reader, like Harry, would gradually discover Ginny as pretty much the ideal girl for Harry.


Gradually? Ginny was hardly in books 1-4, then we see her a bit more in book 5, and bam!, in book 6 she's suddenly the object of Harry's desire? That doesn't seem very gradual to me.
Miss Mady
QUOTE(mathiasgranger @ Mar 29 2007, 04:55 PM) *

Oh be still my heart...chloe/clark....you are my hero!

One of the best fanfics for Lily/Hermione interaction is

Lily Potter and the Worst Holiday

http://fanfiction.portkey.org/story/5447

That should plainly show why Hermione would be the choice of Lily and James. It's Post OOTP...

Um, kinda off-topic here, but I love that fanfic. smile.gif It's also on FF.net- it's completed there. Wonderful interaction. Hermione and Lily are eerily similar... wink.gif

Miss Mady
mathiasgranger
On a related note....Herons seem to think Ron is more like James as a teenager than Harry is...

What basis do they have for this exactly....

James was a prankster...

Ron can just be a right foul git......

They are both pureblooded wizards that did suffer the issue of becoming too full of themselves....but their reasons for this are dramatically different.....

Anyone else with a though on this matter?
Jeannie
QUOTE(mathiasgranger @ Apr 11 2007, 08:44 PM) *

On a related note....Herons seem to think Ron is more like James as a teenager than Harry is...

What basis do they have for this exactly....



I think they're basing their assumption on this line from OotP (US version, page 704):

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The truth was that Ron had just reminded Harry forcibly of another Gryffindor Quidditch player who had once sat rumpling his hair under this very tree.


LOL, So I'm guessing rumpling ones hair and playing the same sport are all two people need to have in common to be considered like each other. tongue.gif


Another thing is, if you combine the Heron theory of Ron being like James and the H/G shipper theory of Ginny being like Lilly, then that would be one messed up pairing! (It's also the pairing that my dad loves to pretend he ships. whistling.gif )
mathiasgranger
That is a very....very disturbing thought...and even worse is that I have happened upon fics with this pairing....

bleh.gif
Jeannie
QUOTE(mathiasgranger @ Apr 12 2007, 11:46 AM) *

That is a very....very disturbing thought...and even worse is that I have happened upon fics with this pairing....

bleh.gif


LOL, I have too! tongue.gif

The whole Ron is like James argument from the Herons and the Ginny is like Lilly argument from the H/G shippers just proves to me how desperate they are to try to convince us that they're right in shipping what they ship. rolleyes.gif
mathiasgranger
Yes and Ron is just pants at Quidditch and magic, isn't he? tongue.gif

He is the incredibly talented wizard doing magic years before he should be able to (James did the animagus transformation)...Ron did.....well...I'll get back to you on that one...Ron still needs to be manipulated to do well his second year of Quidditch....he is a sad excuse for a wizard.

That line is one of those red herrings I am so fond of....that lead us directly to assume RHr and then the rug will be pulled from under our feet...

Let's hope we are correct....
MarenKatiaPotter
I think given the personalities of the characters, Lily and James would have preferred Hermione. She knows Harry--the real Harry, not the hero--and loves him for who he truly is. She's also believes in him and is fiercely loyal to him, which I think both James and Lily would have appreciated about her. And yes, she's extremely clever, which I think would have appealed to Lily, but she's also extremely courageous, which I think both Sirius and James would have loved. Actually, Sirius probably did. I always got the feeling that he liked Hermione and depended on her to watch Harry's back. I don't remember feeling one way or the other at all about Ginny. And yes, she mostly plays by the rules, but James and Sirius would have been her own private cheering section when she set Snape's robes on fire, broke Sirius out of Hogwarts to escape the Dementors, trapped Skeeter in a jar, encouraged Harry to start the DA right under Umbridge's nose, and so on and so forth. She doesn't pull her punches when it comes to defending Harry, not for anyone.

Now, I'll admit--I don't really like Ginny much. I was mostly indifferent to her in books 1-5, and I JKR suddenly springing her on the readers as "Harry's ideal girl" was just flat-out ridiculous. She hasn't been any of these things for Harry, so I just don't buy her as Harry's equal. When Harry truly needs someone, even when she doesn't agree with him, Hermione has always been and will always be by his side. What parent wouldn't want someone that like that for their child? I would anyway.
Jeannie
QUOTE(MarenKatiaPotter @ Apr 30 2007, 10:08 PM) *

I think given the personalities of the characters, Lily and James would have preferred Hermione. She knows Harry--the real Harry, not the hero--and loves him for who he truly is. She's also believes in him and is fiercely loyal to him, which I think both James and Lily would have appreciated about her. And yes, she's extremely clever, which I think would have appealed to Lily, but she's also extremely courageous, which I think both Sirius and James would have loved. Actually, Sirius probably did. I always got the feeling that he liked Hermione and depended on her to watch Harry's back. I don't remember feeling one way or the other at all about Ginny. And yes, she mostly plays by the rules, but James and Sirius would have been her own private cheering section when she set Snape's robes on fire, broke Sirius out of Hogwarts to escape the Dementors, trapped Skeeter in a jar, encouraged Harry to start the DA right under Umbridge's nose, and so on and so forth. She doesn't pull her punches when it comes to defending Harry, not for anyone.

Now, I'll admit--I don't really like Ginny much. I was mostly indifferent to her in books 1-5, and I JKR suddenly springing her on the readers as "Harry's ideal girl" was just flat-out ridiculous. She hasn't been any of these things for Harry, so I just don't buy her as Harry's equal. When Harry truly needs someone, even when she doesn't agree with him, Hermione has always been and will always be by his side. What parent wouldn't want someone that like that for their child? I would anyway.


Nicely said! I don't think I could have summed it up better myself. heart.gif
mathiasgranger
QUOTE(MarenKatiaPotter @ Apr 30 2007, 10:08 PM) *

Now, I'll admit--I don't really like Ginny much. I was mostly indifferent to her in books 1-5, and I JKR suddenly springing her on the readers as "Harry's ideal girl" was just flat-out ridiculous. She hasn't been any of these things for Harry, so I just don't buy her as Harry's equal. When Harry truly needs someone, even when she doesn't agree with him, Hermione has always been and will always be by his side. What parent wouldn't want someone that like that for their child? I would anyway.


I think Ginny is JKR's obvious attempt at giving Harry what he wants superficially...she is his ideal girl in that sense.

In terms of substance Hermione has always been what Harry needs and they compliment each other while drawing on the other's strength.

Sirius trusted Hermione with Harry....I think that means more than he ever could have articulated. Ginny...she might have been the kind of girl that Sirius thought would have made a good teenage girlfriend...but I doubt he or Lily and James would have seen more to it than that.

Alex Hollin
wink.gif I'm going to treat Sirius as one of Harry's parents also, and his opinion is even more important because he was actually *there*, although in OotP he regressed to the sixteen-year-old teen who ran away from home. It's not his fault entirely, so I'm going to look at the Sirius I know and love from GoF, the protective parent Sirius we never got to see again. ( crying.gif )

Sirius:
-Would have a soft spot for the girl who saved him (Hermione)
-The first time anyone addressed him politely post-Azkaban, it was Hermione biggrin.gif (this was so shocking to Sirius that even Harry noticed it in his face)
-Hermione helped to knock out Snape (that's +1,000,000,000 points in Sirius' book)
-Hermione saved Harry's life a million times, especially during the Triwizard Tournament when Sirius was far away, so more points to her
-Realizes that Harry can be rash (just look at his letters and advice!), so he'd probably be very happy if Hermione were always with Harry
-Is best buddies with Crookshanks (LOL)
-Rode on Buckbeak with Harry and Hermione--you can't leave out the symbolism!
-Knows that Hermione started the illegal DA and was over the moon about it (Hermione, a goody-two-shoes too boring for Sirius to approve of? whistling.gif Never!)

Overall, Sirius is pretty well acquainted with Hermione, but he doesn't meet Ginny until OotP, and at Grimmauld Place she can't exactly do Bat-Bogeys or play Quidditch, or any of those things that supposedly make her Harry's "ideal". She can't get Harry out of Buckbeak's room, and she acted rather immaturely when she was sent to bed. That's the Ginny Sirius saw, and I doubt that Sirius would prefer her over Hermione.

Lily:

-Was a Muggleborn and would probably feel sympathetic toward the younger Muggleborn
-Did not care for arrogant bullies (and neither does Hermione. I was astounded to see how James-like Harry was in HBP, cursing people for fun! Ginny is very similar, hexing and flying into people and yelling more than anyone else in this book)
-Was a brilliant witch, prefect and Head Girl, though admittedly more popular than Hermione will ever be. Ginny has never shown any "brilliance" except for the odd off-screen Bat-Bogey Hex, while Hermione IS brilliance. Portable fires, jinxes that can't be removed, Protean Charms, killer logic...need I go on?
-Gave her life for her son. Who saved Harry from the Cruciatus Umbridge was going to use on him? Was it Ideal Girl Ginny? Nope. If nothing else, Lily has to love Hermione for that.

James:

James is the hardest, simply because we only got to see him as an immature, bullying jerk. People forget, though, that eventually he grew up (as will Harry), and what he'd want for his son at age 15 is not what he'd want now. I personally think he would want Hermione, because he can see how much Harry needs her.
hexonjellybeans12
I think definetly Hermione. Lily would appreciate that she was Muggleborn yet excels at magic, and both parents would like that she's always stuck by him no matter what.
WinkySmiles
I have to say hermione (but gee I wanted to anyway haha). I mean Ginny may have the red hair and flaming attitude but Hermione is always there for Harry. She has helped him countless times and its obvious that she loves him for him. She doesnt just have a lustful yearning for him and parents see stuff like this. They want someone who will be there for him, to help and love him when things get tough and who is it usually?? Hermione. Not Ginny. Right now Harry might see ginny as the type of girl he wants..but he will soon see who he needs and if Lily and James were still around I think he would have seen it earlier.Excuse any errors haha.
xCarpeDiem
QUOTE(Alex Hollin @ May 31 2007, 02:30 PM) *

wink.gif I'm going to treat Sirius as one of Harry's parents also, and his opinion is even more important because he was actually *there*, although in OotP he regressed to the sixteen-year-old teen who ran away from home. It's not his fault entirely, so I'm going to look at the Sirius I know and love from GoF, the protective parent Sirius we never got to see again. ( crying.gif )

Sirius:
-Would have a soft spot for the girl who saved him (Hermione)
-The first time anyone addressed him politely post-Azkaban, it was Hermione biggrin.gif (this was so shocking to Sirius that even Harry noticed it in his face)
-Hermione helped to knock out Snape (that's +1,000,000,000 points in Sirius' book)
-Hermione saved Harry's life a million times, especially during the Triwizard Tournament when Sirius was far away, so more points to her
-Realizes that Harry can be rash (just look at his letters and advice!), so he'd probably be very happy if Hermione were always with Harry
-Is best buddies with Crookshanks (LOL)
-Rode on Buckbeak with Harry and Hermione--you can't leave out the symbolism!
-Knows that Hermione started the illegal DA and was over the moon about it (Hermione, a goody-two-shoes too boring for Sirius to approve of? whistling.gif Never!)

Overall, Sirius is pretty well acquainted with Hermione, but he doesn't meet Ginny until OotP, and at Grimmauld Place she can't exactly do Bat-Bogeys or play Quidditch, or any of those things that supposedly make her Harry's "ideal". She can't get Harry out of Buckbeak's room, and she acted rather immaturely when she was sent to bed. That's the Ginny Sirius saw, and I doubt that Sirius would prefer her over Hermione.

Lily:

-Was a Muggleborn and would probably feel sympathetic toward the younger Muggleborn
-Did not care for arrogant bullies (and neither does Hermione. I was astounded to see how James-like Harry was in HBP, cursing people for fun! Ginny is very similar, hexing and flying into people and yelling more than anyone else in this book)
-Was a brilliant witch, prefect and Head Girl, though admittedly more popular than Hermione will ever be. Ginny has never shown any "brilliance" except for the odd off-screen Bat-Bogey Hex, while Hermione IS brilliance. Portable fires, jinxes that can't be removed, Protean Charms, killer logic...need I go on?
-Gave her life for her son. Who saved Harry from the Cruciatus Umbridge was going to use on him? Was it Ideal Girl Ginny? Nope. If nothing else, Lily has to love Hermione for that.

James:

James is the hardest, simply because we only got to see him as an immature, bullying jerk. People forget, though, that eventually he grew up (as will Harry), and what he'd want for his son at age 15 is not what he'd want now. I personally think he would want Hermione, because he can see how much Harry needs her.


I completely agree with you.

I find your reasoning for all three to be the best of anything posted yet. I especially love how detailed you went into Sirius; some of those points I had forgotten myself.

Thank you for that post!
RAGAV
Lily would have definitely loved the characteristic's of Hermione. But James might like Ginny a bit more as she is good at making others laugh and quidditch.Also he thinks that a redhead might be good for the Potters...
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okay correct me if I'm wrong (and I most likely am ) but didn't Sirius say something about Hermione being the brightest witch of her age in POA?9


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I think it was Lupin. I don't have the books right now, but I know it was either Sirius or Remus.

Well in the POA movie both say it.
~In Shrieking Shack~
Hermione: "He's a werewolf! That's why he's been missing classes."
Remus: "How long have you know?"
Hermione: "Since Professor Snape set the essay."
Remus: "Well, well, Hermione, you really are the brightest witch of your age I've ever met" *Sirius interruts going off about killing*

and then Sirius tells her she is the brightest witch whenever he is getting ready to leave on Buckbeak.


Anyway, I say Hermione. I mean I'm sure they would like whoever he liked, but Hermione was his best friend for 7 years, stuck by him through the war and everything (assuming that Harry's parents survived and Harry defeated Voldy). And plus I can just see him explaining about Ginny:
Harry: "Mum, Dad, this is my girlfriend, Ginny."
*Lily smiles and hugs her and James smiles and shakes her hand*
Lily: "So how did you meet her?"
Harry: "Well when I went to my friend Ron's house one summer she was there. She was crazy about me. She broke dishes around me, and sent me valentines, and completely freaked out when I saved her when she was 12. *Harry beams*
*Lily and James exchange worried looks*
James: "So uh Ginny. You've liked Harry a long time?"
Ginny: "Yes sir, ever since I first read about him when I was 7.
*Lily and James turn to each other and mouth "seven?"*
*Lily, turning back to Ginny says*: And you met Harry when you were seven?"
Ginny: "Oh no!" *laughs* "I met him when i was 10."
*Parents mentally do math, realizing she's liked him for about 8 years* *Both become freaked out*
Lily: "Well it was nice to meet you, but I'm afraid you're going to have to go. We told Remus and Sirius we'd uh meet them for dinner."
Harry: "Mum it's noon!"
Lily: "Well uh...yeah well its a full moon so we have to eat early."
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