...and H/Hr didn't at all, would you just forget like it ever happened, and just do book six spoiler stories? Ex, at the end of the book, or near the end, Harry walks in on R/Hr in a heated "moment" (little or no clothes) and isn't at all jealous or whatnot? *goes on a stakeout to murder Ron and find cupid's arrows*
I know what happened in HPB made us all want to kill Ron and Ginny (or lots of us, at least). While there was outright H/G, Harry broke up with her. The worst part for me is that there was no outright R/Hr, like they didn't date. At the funeral, it could have been that Hermione needed a shoulder to cry on, and Ginny had Harry. So, we don't know if Hermione actually likes Ron or Harry. I want to believe that Hermione wants to jump Harry's bones as much as the next Harmonian, but, there is no outright H/Hr in the books. From a biased opinion, you could say so, but an unbiased opinion could state that Harry and Hermione are just very good friends. *hopes JKR makes H/Hr friends with benefits in Book Seven* I'm not so sure about the R/Hr stuff in HBP. The whole hormonaljealous!Hermione was so very different from the Hermione that we all know. It could be that she actually liked Ron, or it just could be that she thought he liked her, and she was pissed off at him. It could be any of the many reasons that other authors have stated in their stories, one being Hermione was still reeling from the DoM and Harry telling her the prophecy.
Don't get me wrong, I worship H/Hr, one reason being that the whole reason that they should be together is one that I can relate to for personal reasons. I am a rather romantic person, and in a R/Hr relationship, it would probably be lacking in that department, and the bickering would be nonstop. In a H/Hr relationship, there is so much more fluff, sm*t, *grins* and all around appreciation for the other person then in a R/Hr relationship. Ron would (probably) always be making fun of Hermione, putting her down, and send her crying into Harry's arms. Good boyfriends aren't suppoused to do that, right? Hell, even good friends aren't suppoused to do that.
Basically, I guess I'm trying to prove to myself that a H/Hr relationship is possibile. I won't give up on it even if Ron goes at it with Hermione nightly, but I just want to prove to myself that our ship is possibile. Am I the only one? I sure as hell hope not!

As of April 11, this post has recieved over 200 views and 11 replies- some of which are rather long winded. Wow! This is my first post to get a good response, and I just want to thank everyone that is taking me seriously. Shoutout to Pockets for making me think. Dunno if that's a good thing... *groans and clutches brain*

One day later, I have over 750 views and 26 posts! Thanks for your support!

I'm not worried...personally, I think R/Hr will have a brief spell as a couple, much like H/G, and then everything will fizz away...

ah yes, and one more thing...if you are looking for an unbiased point of view, like this person in a different Heron forum...check out the link...oh, and yeah, apparently he's the only HHr shipper in a sea of RHr "sharks"

http://sidekicks.ronandhermione.net/viewth...?tid=482&page=1

Hello!
Well ,sometimes ..just sometimes... i get a bit worried and sad thinking that our ship maybe won't be canon (thanks to certain interview!) ... but then again i think .. I KNOW that what is important is that FOR ME H/Hr feels right , i get that cozy feeling about them being together and my heart tells me that's the way to go . I chose them as my ship so they are right for me cuz as a couple they fit what i believe in .
There are many people and many points of views ..every one with their unique shade of color ..well, for me it is ORANGE !!
JKR has created a great wonderful universe and we all are very thankful to her , she has given us Harry and Hermione and we have made them part of our lives and minds ..our hearts.
So it is obvious i would love to see these two getting together in a romantic but if it doesn't happen for me they would still be my right choice .
Glory to the Ship!
Ani

If, in Book Seven, R/Hr happens....

I'm chucking my books out the window!

I'll keep books 1-5 for old times' sake, so I can re-read favourite H/Hr moments, but that's it for me in the HP fandom.

I used to read the books for the adventures and Harry's encounters with Voldemort. But at this point... after HBP... after the insults... I don't give a ###### about Harry and Voldemort! I just want my ship to be canon!

But no worries . I'm confident our ship will sail.

Rock on Harmonians!
I'm glad that you guys replied. You know, two problems with shipping (all of it, not just Harmonians in general) is that lots of shippers act as if the ships in the books are more important then the actual books themselves. I do love shipping, of course, but some people say that if their ship dosen't happen, then they will stop reading the books altogether. Did you start reading the books because of the ships? Probably not. Don't let shipping comsume your opinion of the books and JKR. Jo is a very talented lady, just look at Sherbert Lemon's most recent essay. She (more then likely) had that all planned out- even if the H/Hr parts of the essay are coming from a biased (in my opinion) point of view. People, just because your ship (or mine) dosen't sail, dosen't mean that JKR is a piece of sh*t. I was pissed at all of the non-Harmonian moments in HBP, sure, but HP is not the consuming factor, which brings me to my other point.
People, these books were made by a woman that has a LIFE. She probably intended for them to be read by people that have a LIFE. I HIGHLY advise that anyone that has a job, or is not living with their parents, to MOVE ON if the books take a turn that you do not like. JKR can not please anyone. Unfortunately, she shares that with a democracy. The thing that she does not share with a democracy, however, is that while she loves her fans and appreciates the good ones, she has to please herself first. If somehow, she does incorporate H/Hr into book seven, but it ends up making the book suck big time, would you be happy? I know that I wouldn't. Again, JKR has a life, and she has much better things to do then read flames from anybody about how much they hate HBP because H/Hr didn't happen. I know what I'd do if R/Hr happened in Book Seven - get the hell over it. Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny are FICTIONAL. While I can connect to these books (and the Harmonian ship valuse) on a personal value, it is not the end of the world if Harry and Ginny get back together.
That said, I want to apologize profusely to anyone that I upset. These are just my views, and you don't have to like them. I'm just pissed of at anyone that would kill themselves over Hermione jumping Ron's bones in canon. *Hopes to hell that dosen't happen. If it does, then- CHUG! CHUG! CHUG!*

If it happens....

1. Boo Hoo, after HBP I don't see how it can provoke any sort of reaction from me

2. Get over it, I reject R/Hr cannon and substiture my own

3. Write/read more H/Hr fanfics, surf more H/Hr forums, and thank God for Portkey.org

If R/Hr happen in book 7 I must say I will be extremly dissappointed.All us shippers ship H/Hr for a reason.I started shipping H/Hr after book 4.JKR calls us delusional but to tell you the truth I think shes the real delusional one yes shes a great author but shes blind to the relationship she created between Harry and Hermione.Yeah we all know book 6 was a huge disapointment,but there was a few H/Hr moments hidden in there like Hermiones fanciable comment.I think Hermione liked Harry 3rd,4th,and 5th year but then 6th year came and she noticed he liked GInny so she gave up and decided to try Ron because she thought Ron fancied her but when he went out with Lavender she got confused and hurt and probably felt lonely and noticing how Harry and Ginny were getting closer she got mad and took it out on Ron. I know I sound delusional.lol But I won't lose faith in this ship.After I read the 7th book if H/Hr happen I will be jumping for joy then I would brag just a little to the R/Hr shippers and H/G shippers but if they don't happen I would be sad, then frusterated,then mad.I don't even want to think about if they don't happen so lets all keep our faith that Harry and Hermione happen.

Remember, JKR didn't call Harmonians delusional, that was Emerson, I think. Can't remember which one, but I remember it was the girl. Anyway, she later said that she didn't word that right. What she meant was she was calling the "Militant" Harmonians- the ones that insist that there is textual proof of H/Hr where there isn't, or something like that. She didn't mean all Harmonians were delusional, and she said that she has no problem with Harmonians who think that H/Hr would be a great couple and aren't rude about it. At least, that's what I interpreted her statement to mean.
HarryHermioneFan123, if I were you, I wouldn't get all to worked up over it. If R/Hr get together in Book Seven, no matter how much we bi*ch and whine, there is NOTHING that we can do to change the books. Life will go on. Besides, what is fanfiction for?
I agree with you here though, that I will not loose faith in our ship. Once a Harmonian, always a Harmonian, as cliche as it sounds. If H/Hr dosen't happen in the next book (and I have a sinking feeling in my gut that it won't). we just write more fanfiction. No matter what anyone else believes, we think that Harry and Hermione belong together. The kind of relationship that they share is unique. They usually only fight over big things, not over their petty disagreements like Ron does with Hermione. It is evident that Ron dosen't respect Hermione- otherwise, why does he insult her so much? I can honestly say that I understand sexual tension, and this isn't it. No matter what, if Ron really cared about Hermione, no matter what way so, he wouldn't insult her. Tease her, yes. Annoy her, yes. Put her and her beliefs down, NO F*CKIN WAY. If I were married, would I call my wife a nag, a know-it-all, or a bookworm every time that I got mad at her? No. Would I ever say that to her? Only if it's teasing, and in a good-natured manner. Why can't Ron do that? Mabey, just mabey, if Ron respected Hermione more, I would have more sympathy for Herons.

yes I know I shouldn't take it that hard but if they don't happen all us H/HR shippers are going to be a little mad.Like you said at least we will still have fanfiction.But what I will be confused about is why did JKR put all those H/Hr moments in if they weren't going to happen.I just wish JKR would just give are ship a chance...

Well, if R/Hr happens, I would feel dissapointed, after all I am a H/Hr shipper. But they are not the only reason I like the books.

In the end, shipping is about a couple that embodies those feelings that are appealing to us, and for me, H/Hr brings those warm feelings, whether they become canon or not. It is what they represent to me that makes me like them, and after HBP, I thought I will still like H/Hr even if they don't happen. So I would be sad if they don't happen, but just because that would be the cherry on my ice cream. I will always like H/Hr.

I can see where your coming from and I can see how some people like to say that no JKR didn't call use delusional...but she didn't stop it and she didn't stick up for that part of her readership at all, and she thought that the use of the word "militant" was a good thing when in fact it was assuming and generalizing everyone, and gives off negative connotations! That and the fact that she made that stupid joke about having to reassure Emerson that she wasn't some "crazy Harry and Hermione shipper trying to lure him into a dark alley..."(right like any self respecting H/Hr shipper would want get that dude alone in a dark alley...gag me with a spoon!) it all kind of shows what she thinks of us...and it's not very cool. All in all, I can't bring myself to defend her when in comes to what happened in the IoD...and although it doesn't get me mad or anything anymore...I have let that go...now it just makes me laugh because it really wasn't a smart move...even if you’re a person who believes that it was all done as a smoke screen...because in my mind it wasn't necessary at all, and only showed immaturity for all parties involved which is sad.

But as for R/Hr...I get what your saying about Ron being a jerk to Hermione, that's one of the reason why when I first read the books way back when I didn't really like him(hermione is my favorite character always was and always will be)...however Hermione's doesn't respect Ron at all either...they both treat each other like crap...and it's not cute at all! they are both bad for each other not just Ron towards Hermione. If I had a Husband...I wouldn't put him down either...or underestimate him...or pity him...and I would be happy for him when he achieves a goal of his...like in the 5th book when he got on the quidditch team...I'm sorry but if it was the guy I liked I don't care how tired I was I'd make more of an effort to enjoy his party...and I wouldn't pass off a gift as "interesting" and then never use it....

They both suck together and that's why if the books do end up R/hr and it's as badly done as it was in the 6th book...then I will simply whip both 6 and 7 from my mind and end the series with 5. I don't think that I would read the last two again...why? Because although I didn't get into the books for the shipping...I was only 12 at the time...But I did get into them because I liked the characters...if the characters aren't interesting and I don't like the way they interact with each other then I don't care to read the book no matter what kind of book it maybe...I like reading about people...I like going on adventures with that characters...in the words of Luna it's like having friends...And with R/Hr I don't like the characters....and I don't like Harry when he's with Ginny either....and therefore I don't want to take the journey with them...so while I will definitely read book 7...if the character continue to be jerks(which sadly I find them to be when they are with the ones they are...or in R/Hr case "might" be ) then I will have no motivation to read it again no matter how good the rest might be, because if you don't have enjoyable characters to back up a good plot then there really isn't a point...But that's just my opinion, I'll wait and reserve judgment till the end of the 7th one though. Hopefully I won't be let down...but what are ya gonna do...like you said life goes on...I'll still enjoy the first 5 books and I'll still be a fan, there's always fan fiction...I love the HP world...but I won't be singing JKR praise, because I would feel that they could have been better...But I'll always, always believe in H/Hr and what it stands for because I do believe in Magic...and to me magic is Love

Thank you all for making great points! I appreciate everyone's opinion.

Pockets, I see your point. JKR didn't stand up for us to Spartz (Just realized she said that), and they ALL called us delusional. I don't want to play the Devil's Advocate, but it could be possibile that, if she hadn't agreed with Spartz in calling the "militant" Harmonians delusional, people may have thought that JKR either supported H/Hr, or made H/Hr together in Book Seven. If JKR supported H/Hr, then people would probably think that H/Hr would happen, possibily correctly. But JKR wouldn't want that, would she? She wouldn't tell us who Hermione liked because, "That would stop the arguements, which I like." Either that, or she (like I) thought that PART (emphasis on part) of the Harmonian community is/was delusional. I wouldn't say that anyone of the people that I have met on PK are militant, but think of the really annoying Herons. If they were Harmonians, then Spartz's comment would be directed at them, not the "nice" Harmonians on PK.

Just a thought.

About Hermione being mean to Ron. I think he started it back in first year. He made fun of her, which, even though it consequently led to Harry, Ron, and Hermione being best friends, still left a scar on Hermione. If that is true, then that would explain why Hermione is prone to get mad at Ron a lot.

Opinions on the R/Hr feud thought?

Well, first to answer the question: I would accept what I have seen, although JKR was leading us on for no good reason, and move on. I sincerely hope that no matter what happens, H/Hr fanart and fanfiction doesn't stop. People can't just drop their ship just because it didn't happen. It is my belief that once a shipping decision is made, one shouldn't change it unless they see the evidence of the other side is strong and accurate.

But it's not gonna happen. It way too up in the air. JKR's strange writing style and the removal of Ginny from the picture leaves very few possible situations, and I don't see one of them being Harry/Luna. It's all up in the air, but as long as the Harmony continues to sail, I'll stay on, even if I have to push or go down with the ship. Never surrender!

I Love the Harry Potter series and I have invested so much of my time into it that I don't think I could ever truly give it up.

I don't think I would get "mad" per say if H/Hr didn't happen but I would be pretty mopey and disappointed and I may even cry.....just a wittle bit. but I will still go on loving the H/Hr pairing because in my heart I know what a wonderfully caring couple they would have been.

Then I would have closure with the series and I would be glad that the shipping wars was over and I could move on with my life. Then I would sit my butt down and write and read H/Hr fanfiction. I don't think Portkey is going anywhere anytime soon so...

Onward with our fleet of ships! even if the R/Hr ship reaches their port safely we shall go on sailing into clear waters. We will not sink as long as we still believe in a love like Harry and Hermione could have. Thats what it is all about isn't it?

Manda

I can't say for sure that I won't be angry if R/Hr happens in book 7. I was simply livid when JKR made it H/G in book 6. For me it was out of the blue! Even after all of these months since HBP came out, I still find myself miffed about H/G. I'm just glad that Harry broke it off with Ginny. I don't care that it was for a noble reason and that he may still have feelings for her. I still think (wishful or not) that H/G is over with. Period. As for R/Hr, it wouldn't be out of the blue, because the Herons have ranted on about how perfect these two are... yada, yada, yada. So, to me, it won't be an 'eye bugging' surprise if it becomes OBHWF in book 7. But, I will be thinking to myself, "WHY?!" Why does JKR have such a hard-on for the Weasleys? Who exactly do Ginny and Ron represent in her life? She surely has someone in mind. It seems to me that her books aren't just what they seem, they are instead, full of symbolism. I had heard that Hermione was her favorite character. That it reminded her of herself. So, what is she telling us? That she has so little self-esteem and self-respect that she would rather be with someone like Ron than with Harry? I agree with most of you in that Ron and Hermione simply are not suited for each other. Their constant bickering is NOT cute. I personally, will never understand how this constitutes love. I dare say that JKR prefers the likes of Ginny over Hermione. And, like some of you say, me included, Harry is such a jerk when he is with Ginny. Is this the Harry that JKR wants her reader to accept? I sure as heck do not! Harry is reasonable, respected and better liked by a lot us when he isn't paired with Ginny.

If R/Hr happens in book 7, I will be extremely disappointed. Probably to the point of tears. I will admit that I don't plan on buying the book. I'll find out soon enough about how Voldemort gets defeated; whether or not love potions played a larger part in book 6 (which I think do!) than originally thought; whether or not Slughorn is evil (which I think he is!); whether or not Dumbledore is really dead (which I don't think he is!); and whether or not Snape has betrayed the good cause (which I think he has not!). I have invested so much of my time trying to understand the shipping aspects in the books. This is where my interest lies. A bit silly, I know, but it's the truth. If OBHWF were to happen in the final book, I will just quietly walk away from the forums. I do have a life, after all! At a later time, when the 'hoopla' has died down, I will return to read the fan-fics. I will probably donate the books I do have to my local library.

If OBHWF does happen I will not only be upset with JKR for making it this way, but, I will also feel sorry for her. She could have been the modern day Jane Austen. Instead, she will just be recognized as a children's fantasy fiction writer.

Well I'm just talking off the cuff here, so I hope you don't mind the length of this post? I also will say now, that I will not give up on it becoming Harmony in book 7. After all, the 'fat lady' hasn't sung yet!

Yes I think that Ron did kinda start it back in the first book...I really, really didn't like Ron when I first read it...I Love Hermione and the fact that he was being an ass to her...plus was a bit of a whiner...and was all "look at me I'm poor"...didn't really make me into a Ron fan from the get go...much like how some people didn't like Hermione because they found her "nagging" to be annoying ::coughHeronscough:: (haha...just kidding R/hr shippers...put down the stones....haha )...Anyways then when he was a bigger ass in the 3rd book I really didn't like him...but with the 5th book I saw that Hermione didn't really respect Ron either...which isn't cool and all...but with Hermione it was different (maybe just because I like her so much....but I don't think so because when she is mean to Ron...or was is a bit snobbish to others like Luna I didn't approve at all...and yet I loved her more for it because it made her real, and the fact that she seems to be more excepting of Luna towards the end of the 5th and during the 6th show growth for her character which is something that I love to read about, a character who learns...not just is perfect from the get go) See I don't see Ron and Hermione on the same level...clearly Hermione is above Ron in terms of IQ and stuff...she is also someone of high standards...she sets high standards for herself. She doesn't think much of Ron...the badge scene spoke volumes, her shock that Harry didn't get it and Ron did...and then couldn't think of anything nice to say about it...I just think that it's frustrating for someone like Hermione, who has such high standards for herself and who has such a high IQ to tolerate and put up with others who can't keep up sometimes(not that she can't or doesn't just that it can seem frustrating), or whom she feels doesn't care about the same issues with as much passion, hence you get her lighting up when ever Harry says something nice or flattering and just kind of giving Ron the brush off. I think that the fact that she tends to do this (which she comes by honestly...it's part of her character and her charm if you ask me) that puts Ron on edge and on the defensive, and so he might feel like his only recourse or way of evening the score is through his wit which like Luna says is sometimes hurtful...

I don't think it's fare for Ron to be with someone who can't see him as their equal, and whom he feels the need to be so defensive with...and that to me isn't really Hermione's fault and it doesn't necessarily mean that she looks down on him...or is mean to him on purpose. And I don't think that Hermione should be with someone who doesn't seem to be all that phased when they let mean words come out of their mouths because they feel they are justified in what they say no matter how hurtful it is. Neither of them can never let things go and it's tit for tat...and not in a cute or bantering/flirt way...it's just mean and nasty...and I hate it when two people can go for such long periods of time with out talking to each other...people with that kind of resolve to hurt one another have no business being together, and I hope they release that before they can't be friends anymore even if things didn't work out between them. I hoped that they would mature and realize that this is just how they are and are better off friends. But HBP didn't give me that...or maybe it did...by the time the end came rolling around...but no one's really going to be sure till book 7 I guess. (I don't really buy that notion of if you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're with because in the end it's never enough, and isn't fare because everyone deserves to be loved completely...I don't feel that Hermione could love Ron the way that she loves Harry. His praise and respect and approval, IMO, will always mean more to Hermione then Rons does, and that's not fare to Ron)

The whole "people of High intelligence thing finding it hard to be with someone" thing is what JKR said about DD...and I think that DD and Hermione have a lot in common...and that JK writes the two of them similarly because they both play the same kind of Roll for Harry....the information station, the guide...and the place where he is loved and looked after. And they both see something in Harry and have a confidence in Harry that he himself can't see, and so they both try to support him and help being out the best in him because they know it's there, and is something that is entirely Harry.


Right You Are snoopy_pie!! I couldn't agree more

If HHR wouldnt happen in book7??? I would simply brush it off as one of life's cruel jokes. But for sure, whether it happens in Bk7 or not, I wouldnt be rushing off to reserve a copy of my own way ahead of others. This time I could even wait till the paper back editon comes out in discount sale.

But one thing Ive noticed from interviews given by JKR, a couple of the tihings she answered doesnt jive well with what she has written thus far.

Example: And this is paraphrasing the questions and answers given since I couldnt very well remember in exact details the way it was said:

1. Who among the characters do we likely to believe to be telling the truth? or something in that direction.

What did she answer? Dumbldore and Hermione.

Yet as early as Bk 3, we see Hermione saying thngs that are not true at all: like Harrys broomstick being cursed; or By Bk 6, by her actions she didnt believe Harry about Draco's suspicious actions. Wasnt she supposed to be our guide to what is right or wrong? But here are examples where she herself isnt right.

As for Dumbledore, he himself had admitted several times that he had done Harry wrong. By ignoring him in Bk5; by letting Snape teach Harry about Oclumency despite the bitter emotions between them; among other things.

2. In March 2004, in the World Book day interview, a question as to whether Dumbledore will die, what did JR say?

He still have a lot in him left...or somethng to that effect..I will look up the actual interview for precise quote later.

Yet by Bk 6, Dumbledore is dead.

Now report has it that its going ot be R/HR, trumpheted in such a blatant crude and immature manner by the infamous duo who's contribution to the HP cyberworld is that famous DELUSIONAL word. Myabe they live with it thats the first word they think of. But Im digressing....

All because JKR said NOW WE KNOW ITS RON AND HERMIONE.

Maybe it would indeed be R/HR. The dynamic duo wouldnt be going to such lengths as to even bar from their sites any discussion on H/HR were the reports untrue. And JKR wouldnt continue to amusingly refer to them as MEMERSON , in her sites, unwittingly giving the impression she is cuddling them from the abuses they get from the oppsoites camps, had the reports on R/HR were untrue.

But JKR has also shown she would answer one thing and WRITE another.

So when she said NOW WE KNOW ITS RON AND HERMIONE, its like her answer Dumbldore still have a lot in him left(book 5 had been published by then), yet he is dead by Book6.

And Hermione is the one character we can expect to be telling the truth. Yet we have seen the times Hermione had been wrong herself.

So now its R/HR? To say no would seem HERETICAL. But to say yes, well, DELUSIONAL could play BOTH SIDES.

And even then, there's no requirement that anyone ship any pair, even if they are canonized and locked in stone. For example, James/Lily. An obvious canon pair. But do I care much about them as a couple? No, I'm interested in them as Harry's parents, but frankly, I don't care very much about their relationship, because JKR hasn't SHOWN us very much of it. So far she hasn't shown us why Lily eventually fell in love with James; maybe if she does that, I'll care. But until then?? *shrugs* But as for other "canon" couples, well, I guess none of the supposedly canon couples has floated my particular boat (ship). H/G appears to have been written like a bad fan fiction; R/Hr are supposedly the cute bickering couple, except that their arguments aren't merely bickering and have never been cute -- they stem from a fundamental inability of each to see the other's point of view, and a basic lack of respect between them. So R/Hr can be canon up to the moon, and I'll never like it. Accept that JKR wrote it? Yeah, if I must. If it's finally written in stone in book 7, since it's still only "implied" from Harry 's POV at the end of HBP. But like it? Nope, and there's no reason why ANYONE has to.



IMO Harry/Luna (which, I think, is a sweet ship) doesn't have time to develop; Harry just doesn't know her well enough yet, though he has more of an emotional connection with her than he's ever had with Ginny, whom he's known for 6 years! I think that there are 3 real possibilities:

* Harry as lone hero (strong possibility) with R/Hr as the "side couple" whose relationship took longer to happen than any of Harry's.

* H/G and R/Hr - the infamous OBHWF, which would be nauseatingly cliche'd and treacly sweet, and IMO involve one couple whose relationship is incredibly shallow plus another whose relationship is based on fighting.

* H/Hr and, possibly, Ron/Luna -- because Harry and Hermione have had a huge amount of deep interaction in the past 6 books, and Harry and Hermione will have an opporunity to get even closer in book 7. I say Ron/Luna is a possibility only because IMO they're well suited, Ron genuinely likes her now and she's behaving more like she's crushing on him (by not initiating conversations with him), and frankly, because it doesn't matter to the plot who Ron ends up with - because in the end, it's not his story, it's Harry's. Who Harry ends up with (if anyone) matters to the plot, IMO; who Ron ends up with doesn't. Just my opinion of the importance of the romances to the plot of HP.

From my view, i'm pretty certain that r/hr will get together at some point during book 7 and i have fully prepared myself for when it does, but i bet the relationship wont last long at all, they will probably realise that its not the right path for them to go down and just stay friends.

What is also crucial and we have to notice carefully, is what Harry's reaction will be if he hear's Ron and Hermione are together or he catches them kissing or whatever, if he gets jealous or is in anyway angry that will give us some hope that maybe Harry fancies Hermione and just hasn't figured it out yet.

So there is hope for us h/hr shippers yet, we just all have to wait and see

Love
Amy x x x

I ship H/Hr but I don't think it's going to happen in Book 7. I think they make a cute couple in fanon and I like the fanfic but I think R/Hr has a 100% better chance of happening. Not only have were there really big hints in Book 6 but the interview. Come on. There aren't two ways to interpret that.

So, basically, if R/Hr happens, I'll accept it because by now, it's kind of obvious. Don't get me wrong, if H/Hr happens, I'll celebrate but I don't expect it to. Also, I don't think an R/Hr relationship would be that dysfunctional. They bicker but a lot of couples bicker. My parents bicker (way more heated than R/Hr) and they've been together over 20 years! They insult each other a lot, which is why I don't ship R/Hr, but it's usually two way. Hermione isn't a victim.

I think R/Hr have a great friendship and H/Hr also have a great friendship and both could lead to romance. You don't have to deny both or either to believe H/Hr would make the better couple, do you?

Sorry, this is the first shipping forum I'm joined and I'm a little surprised at how extreme and violent people are in their views. Maybe it's just me.

I'll start off by talking about this. I think that this is the case simply because this romance talk goes beyond simply who is going to end up with whom and delves into peoples beliefs about love overall, thus the strong reactions. I wouldn't call it violent though.


Now, I do disagree with how the interview can be interpreted. Why? Because JKR wasn't all that clear on quite a few things and her more recent comments offer us an insight into JKR and how she feels about certain things. You see, she never clarifies what R/Hr are, nor does she clarify if they are done or if they are going to happen, or if they never were. and if they were to happen, she never said how long they would remain together. You see, she was much more vague then what is made out IMO.

Now I mentioned earlier about more recent comments shedding light into JKR's own beliefs. She talked recently about the attitude of being thin vs being fat. She made the very interesting comment about being fat isn't the worst trait a person can have. She went not to mention jealousy, shallowness, vindictiveness etc. She has also made mention in the same comment about how she wanted her children to be Hermiones.

Now don't you find it curiously odd that Ron and Hermione's relationship, such as it is, has been developed based on jealousy and that they are often vindictive towards one another and that these are all clues that they like each other? Don't you find it curiously odd that JKR would have Hermione's love life based on qualities that she finds negative, keeping in mind that Hermione is supposed to be the role model for her own children?

Yes they do have a good friendship, when they aren't hurting one another. That is the problem thoughm they do hurt one another, in HBP they did it intentionally. While some people are ok with it, I find it unlikely that either of them are happy with it (the two characters). How often are we told about Hermione in tears over it, or angry enough to not talk? How often has their friendship been in jeapardy over it only for it to be saved by outside forces bringing them back together? That is why I don't forsee a lasting relationship between them. Because quite simply, they won't always have outside forces bringing them back together.

You know what one of my favorite parts of HBP was?

Where Harry pulls Hermione aside and they are 'joking' and Ron even gets suspicious of what they're doing. They're best friend. He gets jealous of H/Hr's relationship. I didn't really see the need for that, but I liked it.

Oh, and at this point I EXPECT for something between R/Hr to happen. I don't know exactly what it is, but I do expect something to happen because if nothing did, it'd be odd. But I also have hope for H/Hr to happen. And I never though it'd happen right away.

I like that scene too. Just goes to show that Ron can be a jealous bastard when he wants to-which is most of the time. The worst thing is that he treats Hermione like a thing or a possession, not a person. Harry wouldn't do that. Never!!!

Good point. I too figure that R/Hr will happen. When it does, hopefully it will be in the beginning or the middle of the book, and last about as long as H/G did in HBP. That gives us time for H/Hr to happen Hopefully, when R/Hr break up, they will do so mutually, and Ron won't hate Harry for getting together with Hermione. Sometimes, though, I like it when Ron gets mad with Harry and Hermione, but not permenantly. Ron is a big character in the trio. I like a bit of drama now and then.

You know, I expect R/Hr to happen either off page in the gap between books 6 and 7 or for it to come and go very quickly in the books.

I can just picture reading this line from Ron:

"Worst three days of my life...including the time I was poisened last year"

If it happened and it was the final ship, I would be very upset. Not to the point of burning my book, but I highly doubt that I could read it again. H/Hr just seems to be what is right and gives the series more depth to the Harry's series long discovery of love. If there were 3 more books, I would bet that H/Hr would come together and she would be pregnant with their first child when he defeats Voldie, but alas, there is only one left.

DL

Couldn't have said it better myelf.

I'm sure I'd be disappointed, but I think I'll live, and I'll just pretend R/Hr didn't happen, or I'll have them break up in the H+Hr fanfics I write.

I'm definitely going to keep the books, and I'm going to let my kids read them. They're awesome books, and if they come to me saying that it should've been H+Hr, I know that I've done my duty as a parent. Lol.

Since I fully intend to read the last two chapers at the store before buying the book, it ends up as R/Hr on Harry's Grave or R/Hr and G/H with Ginny pushing out twelve redheaded, green-eyed brats at the end, then the book will stay IN THE STORE, and I'm walking out happily empty handed. I'm not spending that kind of money on a book I do not want at all. Herons can just lump it, if their "Great Victory" costs book sales. Since the IoD, I'm tired of Chocos and Heron, both.

I was curious so I peeked in here. I'm one of the delusional that thinks that R/Hr will not happen even for a short time or off page so it's hard for me, believe it or not, to imagine anything but H/Hr. I would agree with Lissy on this one though and not spend the money on the book. I'm sure plenty of people I know would buy it so I wouldn't have to spend the money on something I wouldn't be anxious to read, if I would even read it at all. I would prefer to live in my delusional imagination that it happened the right way.

That's a very good point and very observant. I think it's true that Ron and Hermione can be jealous and vindictive towards each other. The problem with that argument is that it's a matter of interpretation. I don't think Rowling agrees with you on how negative and unhealthy R/Hr's relationship is. I think if Harry and Hermione were portrayed in the books as having a mutual crush, they might even act similarly. I mean, the sniping, the jealousy, even the violence, it's all pretty standard stuff for kids in love. I prefer my H/Hr post-Hogwarts when they're above all that for that reason.

Still, I'm hardly certain. Who knows? Maybe H/Hr will happen. But I'm definitely not placing any bets. Thank you for you logical and reasoned response, anyway.

Agape

I have no words about how angry I'll be if it is R/Hr on Harry's grave...sorry, but I don't think I'd be very bitter to say in the least, haha. Just because it's Harry's story, you know? I understand that jealousy is a part of a teenager's relationship...to get jealous of their crushes, but I don't know...more the way Harry did it while he was crushing on Ginny bot where they make eachother cry, get angry, but whatever. That's not what I was going to discuss. Why would we be waiting 7 books for R/Hr to happen? Are they supposed to be The Great Love? I thought the main 'love story' focus would be on Harry, it's about him. So I would think it's going to have to have some impact on the story about him.

Sure, I'd feel disappointed! But shipping is not my only concern, at least I have something else in HP series I can focus to, the final battle. Urghh, I'd feel so disgusted if That Ship happen!

I'll get over it and book 7 will be a history in my life! Never ever again touch it! but somehow, I'll read it again if I miss Harmony moments, that if, there still left a piece, maybe a bunch of hopeless hope of Harmony moments. what ever it is, Harmony will always my ship. I'll always like it. That's what make us different from other ship. We see what others don't see and because we are proud of it!

I agree...JBaker's post was a very interesting as always... I too find it very interesting that she has written R/Hr's relationship based on Jealousy and vindictiveness...which are things that she sees as wholly negative.

What I bolded from your post Agape I found interesting as well, because when I think back to the time when I was reading HBP I remember finding that with this book Harry and Hermione seemed to bicker quite a bit...the only difference being that I didn't really find it to be the vindictive nasty kind(JKR herself never descibed it as such like she did with R/Hr)...but rather the quick witty one liner kind and it wasn't to the point of either one actually hurt each others feelings or caused physical pain and not once did they ever stop speaking to one and other over it. In fact I'd say that it was borderline...if not, full out flirty. It was kind of funny cause in they were still in their own little world with their separate conversations and little secrets that only they had any part in and both Ginny and Ron were always on the out. But I guess it's like you said all a matter of interpretation. I also love post Hogwarts H/Hr...but I was really hoping for Ron and Hermione to mature to that level were they could realize that they might like each other but that they aren't in love...and that way they would each be able to move on to the partners that were better suited for them...such as Harry and Luna...but I guess if that doesn't happen...I'll just be thankful for my wonderful powers of delusion...and live in a world of wonderfully written Fan Fiction! haha

I would like to thank everyone for your lovely replies! So many people have their own different opinions, and I think that it's great that we can express them. Please, keep replying!
Pockets, I like what your comment about what Agape said. I always wondered why JKR never went out and said that R/Hr will happen, aside from the comment about liking the Harmonian vs. Heron arguements. You're probably right about Harry and Hermione possibily acting like Ron and Hermione if they had a mutual crush. Harry and Hermione only bicker for good reasons (before HBP). When they did bicker, it was usually for either because one was worried about the other (Firebolt arguement in PoA), or if someone else was in danger (Sirius in OotP). In HBP, I think that hormones probably played a big part of it. When Hermione heard the prophecy, (also a big part) she was really worried about Harry, and her hormones could have brought her to a number of different conclusions. In many fanfics, people have Hermione say that she acted the way she did in HBP because she was scared for Harry, or else she wanted to distance herself from him because of how much she loved him. I think that the second conclusion is probably not going to be the reason that Hermione acted the way she did, if she chooses to talk to Harry about what happened in HPB. The first conclusion is much more likely, but I want to look at this from a non-shipper perspective. From that perspective, it could just be because she is one of Harry's two best friends. From this perspective, you could also say that she was peeved at Ron for different reasons. One was because she actually likes him (shudders), it could be because she felt that Ron was being insensitive to her (moreso then usual), or, as in many fics, because she thought he liked her, but went off snogging Lavender.
But who really knows why Hermione acted why she did? Who really knows who will be involved in a romantic relationship? Only JKR. All we can do is guess, alebeit from a biased viewpoint, what will happen. I think that the best way to try and predict book seven is to forget about the shipping aspects and from there, the rest will fall into place. I hope.

Agape, I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Since when is jealousy and violence ever okay and standard in any relationship? I don't believe this and never have. I have seen maybe one violent relationship in high school and it was not good.

Even if it is considered standard for kids in love that doesn't make it right and I think if JK insists her books are moral then she should portray a "right" way to love someone rather than all of that non stop bickering, miscommunication, and out right unhealthy jeolusy. I agree with Harry it totally annoys the hell out of me.

You would think if she wants her daughters to look at Hermione as a role model she would want that role model to show them a better example of crushing, liking, and loving don't you think?

I agree with you there snoopy_pie! Oh hey this is I guess a bit off topic...though not so much so...but I just got the movie Little Manhattan, it is soo CUTE and shows just how sweet and special love is, and how important it is to ba able to just be open with the people you love...and not just between the two kids...but also the main characters parents...with their love story. It also doesn't take the "standard for kids in love" as portrayed "supposedly"--I use this word because frankly I don't see R/Hr's relationship as such at all-- by R/hr. Anyways it's a sweet little movie I highly recommend, as it made the Harmony shipper in me Squee^_^ it works as a form a tribute to all that I believe in and why I ship H/Hr!

And I totally agree...I think that she would want to show a role who shows a better example of crushing, liking, and loving someone...and hopefully by the end of the 7th one they'll all learn about what "the LOVE" ("the power the dark lord knows not") is all about. If not then...well the message and moral of the story goes down the drain!

Not to be interpreted as ganging up on you, but at the same time, JKR has expressed that she does not view jealousy, vindictivness in a postive light, in an update on her website, commonly refered to as "fat and thin" rant by fandom.

As to the moralistic approach of the books, morality tales always have a point where you think one thing will happen until the very end it turns out not being what you thought. Most of the time this thing is: That happily ever after will occur.

~Salamon2

NP. You have raised an interesting argument. Some points I will talk about.


First the bolded part. Oh I agree that JKR may not view their relationship, such as it is, in such a negative light. However given how she wrote Cho's reaction to Hermione as well as Lavender's, we can see examples of where jealousy is displayed. Now, are Hermione and Ron acting in a jealous manner? See on the surface it appears so, but when you really look at it, they may not be. Hermione was upset with Ron before Lavender became an issue. Ron's reaction to Krum is similiar to his reaction to Michael dating his sister. What I am getting at is that they may in fact not be acting jealous. It is curious after all that she'd ahve Ron's attitude towards Michael being so close to his reaction to Krum.

It's also interesting that Hermione's apparent jealousy occurs around the same time that she is having an extremely hard time with Ron (he was quite nasty to her around that time). It is important to note that Rowling also gave us examples of when a person's heart is broken over unrequainted feelings (Tonks and Merope) and Hermione's attack on Ron with the birds suggests that she isn't at all heart broken.

So IMO, Rowling is using the notion of jealousy between these two as cover, as a red herring.


The underlined part. I don't think it's likely that Harry would experience this feeling with Hermione, primarily because we've been given two examples of his jealousy, Cedric and Dean. Notice the common denominator between them all? Harry likes Cho, but doesn't know her. He is attracted to her physically. The same can be said for Ginny. It was heavily physical, with no real emotional development, simply because it was all done off page. With Hermione, however, the groundwork has been laid from book one, let me explain.

You see, in PS we learn that Hermione is only of average looks apparently. However, by GOF, Harry has gotten to know her well. It is in GOF that we learn that Harry thinks she's pretty. However, nothing is done about it. Instead we got OotP, where we see Harry and Hermione's friendship grow even stronger. In HBP we learn that Hermione thinks Harry is good looking. Yet nothing more comes from it. The story goes back to their friendship.

So what's important is that their friendship is the main focus. Now, given that JKR has made it clear that Jane Austen is the type of romance storyteller that JKR likes, and given that Jane Austen's works tend to focus on the characters falling in love with each other's personalities, it stands to reason that the whole point up until book7 is to show that any romance that develops between H/Hr won't be based on physical attraction, but rather on their personalities.

IMo this stands to reason given how we have born witness to their friendship growing ever tighter as the series progresses.

Do I think jealousy is a sign of typical teenage romance. Possibly. Do I think it's typical of love at this age? No, not at all. Jealousy IMO denotes possession. It's a selfish emotion based upon the idea of the person who is feeling it is upset because they aren't the ones to make their feeling's objective happy. So they lash out. As I have pointed out on another thread, if you love someone, you want them to be happy regardless and if it's not you, even if it's painful, you are still happy that they are happy.

Of course, JKR may not see it this way, but I am rather curious as to her more recent efforts since the IOD. I find it curious that from the interview and after, we learn that JKR is willing to use red herrings. I find it curious that we learn afterwards that JKR doesn't want to be obvious. It's curious that JKR has recently come out and made clear that jealousy and vindictiveness are worse human traits then being fat. I find it interesting that all these things are the most common R/Hr supporters claims in favour of their respective ships.

I also find it curious that everything that has happened between Ron and Hermione have also happened between Harry and Hermione, the key difference is that one seems to be the right way, the other, the wrong way.

For example, when dealing with respective potential romantic partners, Ron and Hermione apparently engage in jealous acts, not so with Harry and Hermione (even if they aren't happy about it i.e Cho and McLaggen). We have seen them partnered up, with Ron unwilling to support Hermione (prefectship) and with Harry and Hermione working well as a team (DOM battle, D.A, dealing with norbert, Sirius etc).

I guess my little rant is over.

I couldn't have said it better myself. But you know what would bother me more than R/Hr and H/G happening? The reactions of the Herons and Chocos. I'm not saying that some members of our ship wouldn't do the same if our ship sailed and theirs didn't, but I can imagine plenty of gloating and flaming of H/Hr sites. That would really annoy me as it would be worse than the aftermath of HBP and the IOD.

I think I'm going to let all that die down first before I do any online interaction. I'll probably go on writing my fanfics and simply delete any stupid flames I get in my reviews. *So* not worth the aggravation.

Oh, you know darn well that they will gloat. It will be the "We told you so! " That is definitely one aspect of a OBHWF victory that I will wince at for sure!

I won't be buying the book if it does turn out OBHWF, because I really, really, really don't believe that R/Hr and H/G are the best ships. It's not that I will be a "sore loser", far from it. I truly believe that the true romance is between Harry and Hermione. I have felt it all along by what I have read. I'm not even thinking of the movies, where I think the chemistry between the actors (Dan and Emma) reflects what I think is shared by Harry and Hermione. I will be heart-broken that this beautiful relationship will not have come to pass. And, I will sorry for JKR, who could have been (as I like to say) the "modern day Jane Austen". What a pity.

Me too. I've read, re-read, and listend to the books on CD and only see Harry/Hermione stronger with ever revisit to the text. I can't buy a book that would end with Hermione/Ron because I feel like Hermione deserves better. I think it's odd that JKR can say on her website that the world needs more Hermiones if smart-but-plain Hermione isn't good enough for the hero of the story--that honor goes to the pretty/popular/perfect Ginny Sue. What a mixed message! The smart-but-plain ME can't support that. Ginny and Harry have both become what I despise (haughty/arrogant/shortsighted/self-centered). I liked Ginny prior to HBP. I liked Harry prior to HBP. I don't especially like ANY of the teens in HBP. They're all acting like regets from a John Hughes film. --Hey, is he still around? He should direct HBP, the movie.

I definetly think RHr is going to happen. No doubt about that one. But I also think it's going to bring out more bad than good in both of them. Eventually, I hope Ron'll die saving Hermione, finally showing his act of love and courage.

If R/Hr happens I wouldn't really care that much. I mean love H/Hr and all but canon doesn't mean that much to me. Yes it would be fantabolous if it did become canon but if it doesn't we can still go on. We can still write fanfics,draw fanart,surf forums,etc. Canon doesn't stop us from loving the ship. Maybe I'm a bit baised to fanon>canon because I like tons of crack ships but you get my point.

Wow....I would do an extensive flight to London and look for JKR and have a long and pathetic argument about that dilemma. Either that or have a mass boycott However, I wouldn't care