Merged all of these threads: Cross your fingers, draco and ginny pairing with this one. --Faith, 7/4



[B]i would like to say that draco and ginny is the best pairing ever.
[I]why?
well for possible reason are:
1] draco and ginny are totally from different world, as much to say their love is forbidden
2]hermoine and harry are not impossible to fall in love because they are friends, well come to think of this if two people are totally forbiden to fall in love the story is much more exciting rather than harry;s and hermoine
3]although in the book draco and ginny never got any chance to notice each other thay are still possibilities that they will end together

Well, the good girl/bad boy pairing is the forbidden fruit. It's exciting because who know where the "relationship" could take them. Redeption is cool and all, but keeping them on the EDGE of the dark side is better.

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LOVE TO THE HMS PUMPKIN PIE
LOVE TO THE HMS FIRE AND ICE
LOVE TO THE HMS CHASING CROSS

Why:
Draco needs to settle down and get his beliefs straight
ginny needs SOMEONE and harry won't pay frekin any attention to her
besides they make a relly good couple

Because good girls and bad boys are so hot. Ginny's already got a bit of the lust for evil in her...Tom fascinated her. Draco would be attracted by her innocence and the way she's not cunning and manipulative like Slytherin girls. All she would want was for him to love her, she wouldn't be interested in his money or power or anything. Plus, Draco loves to piss Ron, Harry, and Hermione off. This would definitly do that. Ginny probably wouldn't mind getting back at her overprotective brother, the boy who never liked her, and the group she was never part of. They'd be glad to piss people off. It'd make them want each other even more. Yay for pissing off the threesome!

because it's forbidden, and Ginny seems the type of girl that would go for bad boys. good girl/bad girl always works. Yeah, and the Tom-past effects her. Plus Hermione gets really annoying when she is with Draco, so that's why D/G is much cooler...

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Plus Hermione gets really annoying when she is with Draco, so that's why D/G is much cooler

you rock!

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They'd be glad to piss people off. It'd make them want each other even more. Yay for pissing off the threesome!

LMAO

Nicole

draco/and ginny is really hot... and she's so innocent-like (and he's the bad boy..like you guys all said..)plus harry/ginny gets boring because he doesn't seem to care much for her at all... and it would piss everybody off which would be really funny..and ginny needs a break from all the goody-two-shoes gryffindors...
so yeah.. draco+ginny=HOT wahooo!

Agreed with all.

OK, since OotP came out, we've seen many people [lots right here on PK] saying things like, "D/G is dead", and "D/G is sunk" etc. It's because they think Draco's gone past the point of no return. It really ticks me off, you know? As the resident HMS Fire & Ice Psychiatrist, I've started this topic. A pep talk. No bashing, no 'D/G is no more' crap, just encouraging points to cheer up the [very] few of us still supporting Fire and Ice.

Firstly, I don't think Draco's past the point of no return. And even if he is -- we've seen plently of D/G fics where he isn't redeemed. I didn't even believe in the complete redemption of Draco in the first place. It's OOC, and not ever going to completely happen. Now - that doesn't mean D/G can't happen. What about Bad!Ginny? I still think that's a good plot. So -- the no Redeemed!Draco point does not mean D/G cannot happen. Why? Because a) he doesn't have to be redeemed completely, and b ) there are still 2 books so it's not over yet.

Secondly, Ginny is over Harry. Though a lot of people saw Ginny/Neville in OotP, I have to confess that I didn't see anything strong, so I don't really think that it's like, a 'threat' to D/G. No more than H/G ever was to us. Ginny shows us in OotP that she doesn't care what Ron thinks of who she dates, and that she will anyway. That's an important point if D/G does occur - because she won't let Ron tell her what to do.

Thirdly, we have too much stellar fanfiction to let this all go down the drain.

Fourth -- someone said that in the Albert Hall interview JKR said it was unnerving that so many people were fond of Malfoy 'cause he's a bad guy. But does anybody know which Malfoy she was talking about it? Was it Lucius? Because if it was Lucius, there's still hope for Draco.

Fifth -- there's no reason to bail ship. There will always be fanfiction in the fandom, and that is why we should stay afloat. When you look out over the HP internet, and you still see things like Ron/Krum -- then God damn it, we have to survive. There is a place for all couplings on the net. Even D/G.

Now, I want everyone who is still supporting D/G to post something of encouragement - even just a 'hell yeah'. We've gotta stay afloat. And PLEASE, no 'sorry, but i still think its dead' posts, PLEASE. This is a thread for D/G encouragement, and saying it's dead is clearly not encouragement.

So come on, D/Gers -- where's our pep?

Very nicely put. I agree with all of the above statements. I just wanted to add that I dont think D/G should be affected by anything that happens in canon. I mean, in canon, you only see a very limited number of times that Ginny and Draco even interact. Now, it might partly be that Malfoy just enjoys teasing Harry, Ron and Herm too much to tease any other Weasley, or it may be that we never hear what happens to Ginny because its from Harry's POV, and he hasnt heard Ginny talk regularly before this year. There arent any big signs in canon that say Draco/Ginny would ever get together, ever, so being affected by that, it doesnt really fit. People ship D/G knowing that its very unlikely, probably wont happen, but its still something you get drawn to. So even if after the 7th book, Ginny and Draco still arent together, I dont think D/G should be any more dead. A lot of other ships are made by a combination of fanon dedication and canon evidence, D/G is basically a large, large amount of fanon dedication and wishing.

Dont worry girl. Even if ginny hooked up with a house elf in the books, Draco/Ginny is bound to go on. And my goodness, who is saying Draco must turn all goody goody inorder to date Ginny. Also who is saying Ginny must become evil inorder to be with Draco??? That is ludicruos! I mean its given some things are going have to change about them, but not a complete character turn around. Draco could disagree and turn his back on the darkside and choose not to follow in his parents footsteps and still be the suave, annoying, snarky, potter-hating prat we all now and love! Take Snape for instance, he is a classic example of how a charcater can be mean and hateful yet not evil. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying Draco will turn up excatly like Snape, that would be an injustice to both of their characters, however, what i'm saying is he could choose to go down the right path and still be a snarky prat. haha

Psssssssssssh, please. As if we have anything to worry about. If the D/Hr shippers can base the entire relationship on a single slap for "sexual tension" I'd say we are twenty steps up.

For God's sake, she HEXED him! If that's not sexual, I don't know what is! Also, none of us know what she had to do to get her wand for him... she could have had to put her hand in a very special place only joking, but seriously: Why would she be the one to hex him when Ron was there... Ron, the one who hates Draco the most out of all the people in Gryffindor.

Also, why did Ginny choose to hex Draco instead of someone else? Why was it made so plain that she was the one who hexed him, yet no one made it plain if she hexed anyone else. Obviously people are drawing attention to the couple, just what JKR wants.

Some people think the death of our ship was when Ginny became Mary-Sue. Well, I don't believe that at all. I think it helped a bunch because it shows she's trying to be perfect to cover up something. Something like her posession in CoS.

And! She comes to terms with being posessed, yet she hasn't gotten any help with it. If she had, Ron would have made some remark about her "looney doctor". He would have made a remark like "Looks like sessions aren't paying off" or something like "You need to go see the Doctor again", which he obviously hasn't.

Draco staying 2-D is also good because it shows that he's not about to change and save the day, which I had feared for quite some time. He is going to be evil, and drag anyone into the depths of hell with him, Ginny. Okay, a bit drastic, but this may show that with the upcoming war he will be chosen to help recruit people to the dark side. Perhaps Voldy will remember Ginny after all.

We must remember that Ginny was chosen by Lucius for a reason, though we may not know what it is yet. I can only guess that it is because she is weak and will fall in with his ranks with the easiest manipulation. That is where Draco will come in, thus the good part of his 2-D-ness.

D/G is possible still, and blatantly obvious. The only ship that I've seen sunk so far was any ship with Sirius. Not even H/G has sunk for sure, though it's highly likely, and if H/G has not sunk than neither has D/G. Keep faith people!

Good gods, I'm so glad this was posted - I was getting sick of hearing people say that D/G was dead. I don't think a ship is ever really dead when there's a fandom - us shippers can think of something to get our characters together.

I personally have never been all that fond of Redeemed!Draco to begin with, so it's fine with me if he isn't. Snarky!Evil!Draco is just as good. There's always the possibility of a Bad!Ginny -- like Kaykos said, she could just be trying to be perfect to cover up all the pain and stuff she's feeling from her first year. That's something that would affect a person greatly! That's nothing that she can just forget, it's going to stay with her forever.

Can I say I almost fell off of my bed when I read the part about Ginny Bat Bogey Hexing Draco? I was so excited! It was so clearly stated that Ginny had done it and it made me think, D/G! D/G! Helllloooooo! Why wasn't Ron hexing him? Y'know?

I still think that D/G lives. It's not dead! *waves around D/G banner*

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Can I say I almost fell off of my bed when I read the part about Ginny Bat Bogey Hexing Draco? I was so excited! It was so clearly stated that Ginny had done it and it made me think, D/G! D/G! Helllloooooo!

Oooh, I know, I know, I shrieked out loud, and since my rents don't approve of HP, and I had to hide my reading it, my mum came in and asked what was up and I had to say it was something the radio played... I'm such a nutter.

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Kaykos said, she could just be trying to be perfect to cover up all the pain and stuff she's feeling from her first year. That's something that would affect a person greatly! That's nothing that she can just forget, it's going to stay with her forever.

Mmm.. i dont know. I thought that showed how strong Ginng is and can be. Personally, I get to sick and tired of fics where they have ginny strung out over Harry until she has a fateful run in with Draco at age 26! I thought that showed our heroine in a new light. It showed if she can tackle the posseion of the Dark Lord she can surely get over Harry... which she has. And so far as being perfect, she seems anything but. She has aquired her own unique, spunky, and determined personality with a hint of Fred and George-like humor which harry hinted on in the book I believe. I am so happy JK decided to make this know to others. However, Kaykos and MMF you two could be right. Dealing with the ole voldie isn't the simplest of tasks, and to realize what she is doing now is front for her darker emoitions is completely plausibe. However, we have already seen one Weasley go down the path to stupidity, I dont think I could stand another... esp. Ginny! Yet, everything JK does is for a reason and Lucius did pick her, for whatever reason there might be. And another thing, Kaykos- dont you think its plausible for Draco to be good with out becoming a goody goody along side the trio. I must admit, the thought makes me ill, however, he could be another insider like Snape. Snape is still the git he was during school. Draco can still be the devilshly charming snarky and witty rouge we all love and still house a dislike of the trio. Its all possible. Plus with this side of Ginny we have seen and the Draco I have just described above, we could have some interesting fanfics! Not to mention that interesting Bat Bogey jinx... oh the fun we could have! haha

I think everyone else summed up quite nicely why the ship was still alive. I just wanted to add, "hell yeah."

-Lona

haha, Mule, you are a trip?!

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Kaykos- dont you think its plausible for Draco to be good with out becoming a goody goody along side the trio. I must admit, the thought makes me ill, however, he could be another insider like Snape.

Honestly? It's half and half. One half of me says that it's possible for him to be good- yet still snarky because of Snape (and only Snape). The other half of me says that he will never (esp. now) even think about joining the good side because they inprisoned his father. I think now the prospect of not helping someone against harry would most likely kill him inside. So I suppose the latter is what makes me think he won't turn good. Only an opinion though

~Nicole

Kaykos, you prove a good point. Yet I think Draco is putting up a front on some things. However you could be right on the thing about him never turning around after the imprisonment of his father. What I gathered from Draco in the 2nd book, was a boy who wants to be seen worthy in his father site. He looks up to him it seemed. Although I could be wrong. It was portrayed differently in the movie. In movie, Draco was protrayed as being annoyed and a bit resentful with his father(check out deleted scenes). I doubt that could be a wrong portrayal. JK wouldn't let something so blatanly wrong pass like that into the movie.

However, i'm not saying Draco is some good, sweet, scared kid waiting to be freed from his fathers torment. While some of his evilness might be a front or caused by jealously, Draco is bad. He is and can be just as evil and as sinister as his father. What I am trying to say is that he doesn't neccsarily have to go the deatheater route. Because one thing we must realize about Draco is that we dont know his story. The only information we have on Draco is Harry's POV. As of yet. we dont know what makes that steely eyed blonde bombshell tick. He could be mini-Lucius, and turn out to be a deatheater, or he could decide to take another path. Whatever it is, I hope desperately that its not good boy Draco... that could break my heart! haha But JK is too good of an author to do that to us... i hope! haha

I am so glad that this thread was started.


S.S. Fire and Ice is most certainly not dead--if anything, OotP has helped us raise our hopes for it to happen in canon. Kaykos and everyone else has already made excellent points, and I don't need to repeat and take up useless space.


Even if our beloved ship doesn't appear in canon--so?


We'll always have fanfiction, right? Superb, amazing fanfiction at that :-)

*nodds head wildly* *stops in fear of head falling off* I have something too add:
HELL YES, BABY!!! D/G FOREVER!!!
I must point every one to the Ron/Luna thread in Roll Call, look up my last post and tell me whatcha think. Somepeople made a remark about D/G being dead, and I was like: Well YOU!!! I got down right bitchy...
But oh well, just being me...

Oh, and Draco/Ginny WILL NEVER BE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


~Dark Goddess

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Somepeople made a remark about D/G being dead, and I was like: Well  YOU!!! I got down right bitchy...

Yeah Dark Goddess, I know how you feel! How can people live in a world in which ships such as Severus/Hermione and even Ginny/Bill( total nasty and wrong and no i never read any..haha ) exists and tell us our ship is dead! I tell you what it is... They are just jealous that our ship kicks booty and theirs doesnt! haha...

Hi

Well, in my mind, D/G could never happen in canon, even though i love this ship in fanon.
But i must say i was always intrigued, in CoS, about why Lucius chose Ginny. If he wanted a Weasley, there were 4 others at this time : Ron, Percy, Fred and George, so why Ginny ? was it luck, when they all met when Lockart was signing books ? i don't know.

And in OoTP, i was pleased that Ginny was the one to Hex Draco. Why her ? why not Ron ? it would have been much more logical. Now we know that Ginny is really good, not afraid of Draco, and willing to "go" after him. And she even reminds everybody later on that SHE WAS THE ONE TO HEX HIM.

With JKR, there is no coincidence, i think it means that in book 6, something will happen. I just hope that it won't be Ginny being killed by Draco while he is trying to murder Harry. Because Ginny has still a wizard debt.

Even if one of them dies, i will still ship them. There are some witnesses programs in our world, the same exists in the wizard world.

I'd like to add another thing to this thread... everybody who's saying it dead now, when JKR makes us wait another ridiculously long time for book 6, will come right back to D/G. It'll take time, but they'll come.

Why? 'Cause there ain't no smut like Fire and Ice smut. And everybody loves smut.


I'm such a nutter today...

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With JKR, there is no coincidence

Hmm.. really makes you think about that Bat Bogey Curse... doesn't it... haha

Uhm...

first, as I've already stated in another topic, I don't think that Draco "came into the point of no return". Draco is a 15 years old boy, stupid and immature like any 15 years old boy. Maybe Harry's a bit different because he has suffered a lot, but Draco is just as much immature and as much stupid as any other spoiled boy like him, raised inside a big family as heir like him.

As I've stated in the other topic... well if JAMES could be redeemed, and marry Lily who, apparently, loathed him, WHY shouldn't Draco have his chance?
I mean... James is as arrogant, stupid, spoiled, venomous, cruel --add anything here-- than the canon!Draco. He's maybe even worse... yes, worse, because to obtain to go out with Lily he lied to her saying her that he didn't hex anybody any more, and instead he kept hexing Snape while she didn't know.
If 15 years old James Potter could torture Severus in that way in public and then get redeemed... 15 years old Draco Malfoy can be as cunning, as git, as cruel as he wants, but why shouldn't he get HIS chance?

I think OotP just shows how much children can be stupid and immature... and they can stay immature even growing up (think at Sirius who STILL calls Severus "Snivellus" and STILL can't stand him? And the same Severus...)


Then... Ginny is a pureblood witch. She's related to Narcissa (Narcissa was Sirius cousin, Arthur was a distant relative to Sirius, if I don't recall wrongly Sirius says that he's a cousin of 4th or 5th line...) and her family is filo-Muggle. Now that Lucius is in prison... don't you think Narcissa can push Draco to try showing more *interest* about her? After all she may not want that her son is thought as going on his father's footsteps, don't you think?

This can be a good material for D/G! It's a thing I'm planning for one of my fics

I still belive it's alive and kicking. Although I'm not too sure about Narcissa pushing Draco into a "better life"...I mean that bloody house elf *did* go to her with his information, but then agian we don't know if she wanted to use it or if it was fear of the sadist she calls a husband that had her using the information.
But back to Draco, as I've said before, while he might not join the good because his father's been imprisoned...he's still very afraid of Voldemort, with excellent reason. His father and the other death eaters have FAILED voldemort...why should he be welcoming their children into his fold unscathed after their parents Failure? And Draco isn't stupid. For the first time in his memory he doesn't have his father or the Dark Lord looming in the background supporting him...all he has left is his heritage and MAYBE his money. And Ginny can compete there, infact things look as if her family is going to gain status, while the Malfoy name is tarnished by Lucius branded as a death eater. So we'll have a smirky Draco, but without the same impressive support. SO go D/G!
Plus that HEX!! w00t! Ginny needs her firey personality if she's to be standing up to Draco and being a good match with him. All's well on the D/G front!

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I still belive it's alive and kicking. Although I'm not too sure about Narcissa pushing Draco into a "better life"...I mean that bloody house elf *did* go to her with his information, but then agian we don't know if she wanted to use it or if it was fear of the sadist she calls a husband that had her using the information.

Uhm... I didn't mean to say that she would push him to a "better life", but that she would tell him to try show interest for different reasons.

If Draco would show interest for a filo-Muggle family, it would be good for his reputation at the MoM. And then, showing an interest about Ginny he could also try to peek and find info about the Order.

Since Kreacher SURELY told Narcissa something about the Order, even if he didn't tell her everything because he was linked by the order of Sirius, she MAY be interested into this to grab informations: what if Kreacher spat out that the Weasleys were somehow involved? It's killing two birds with one stone, after all

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But back to Draco, as I've said before, while he might not join the good because his father's been imprisoned...he's still very afraid of Voldemort, with excellent reason. His father and the other death eaters have FAILED voldemort...why should he be welcoming their children into his fold unscathed after their parents Failure? And Draco isn't stupid. For the first time in his memory he doesn't have his father or the Dark Lord looming in the background supporting him...all he has left is his heritage and MAYBE his money. And Ginny can compete there, infact things look as if her family is going to gain status, while the Malfoy name is tarnished by Lucius branded as a death eater. So we'll have a smirky Draco, but without the same impressive support. SO go D/G!

I agree that Draco's not stupid and I think this is also a very good idea let's see what will happen... in the meantiome we can always write out D/G fics

I don't really understand why people would say that after OotP we should consider D/G to be dead. Personally, I thought that it helped our ship a little bit. I mean, if people could start liking D/G after the second book where all of two lines were exchanged between the two, then you would think that they would be happy with this book.

First of all, as mentioned many times before, the whole hexing thing was something. We don't know who the other three cursed while they were in Umbridge's office, but they emphasized that Ginny cursed Malfoy. That wasn't exactly the reason why I found it to be something that stood out though. If Malfoy could devote all of his time for the last five years trying to mess up Harry's life over Harry refusing to be his friend, then I don't think that he's just going to let the whole Ginny cursing him go that easily. He's probably going to want to get back at her. And even though a whole bunch of people cursed him, Crabbe, and Goyle at the end, Ginny was something definite. She beat him all by herself and I don't think that that would sit well with Malfoy. A younger girl getting the better of him versus a lot of people his age ganging up on him. What do you think would bother him more? Especially since she is a Weasley.

Anyway... the second thing that I liked about this book was that it gave us something that Ginny and Malfoy have in common besides being purebloods. They are both Seekers. Even though Harry is probably going to regain his Seeker position in the next book, that doesn't take away the fact that Ginny was one for the second half the year. I don't think that they (Draco and Ginny) ever played each other, but we'll never really know seeing as Harry lost interest in watching the sport after being banned from the team.

I'm not saying that I think that they will happen in canon. Not that I'm going to give up hope that they will. I've spent too much time reading only Draco/Ginny fanfics for almost two years now. I can't just stop and start shipping someone else.

Thanks for starting this thread and suffering through my rambling. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one still in love with Fire and Ice. Everyone just sort of seemed to disappear.

Love you all!

[COLOR=red]I really really really hope that Draco and Ginny make it. My mum always thinks it'll never happen. But I have to condradict her, I mean Draco truly can't have no at all! Else no one would ever get married in the Slytherins. Tell me wot u think!

I'm really a h/hr shipper, a ron/luna shipper,.. but is there any future in draco/ginny? it would be better than ginny/harry (that is EVIL!)

*baby ice*, I totally hope so too! It would be so awesome if D/G actually happened. Rejoicing in the streets, refound belief in true love, etc.

thing is
there is no real evidence pointing to d/g happening and there is also no real evidence pointing to it not happening.

so, thus its possible.
most people like it(me included) cuz its classic romeo and juliet and JKR is a big fan of shakespeare.