Recently on portkey, maybe as a last reach of hope for our ship, but all the same, one theory's been buzzing, of Hermione liking both Harry and Ron or that Hermione just settled for Ron. While they may not be true, I mean we may be putting JK too high up on Jane Austen standards, but are there any quotes in HBP that might support either of the two theories??? I mean, we do have the whole rendition of the Birds and extremely Lavender jealous Hermione, do we have any quotes at all that could support JK actually pulling Hermione choosing between right and easy and chosing Harry, or are we, as many people are implying, delusional??
**unfortantely...I haven't opened my copy of HBP since july 18th, also if someone could further explain the theory, because I'm afraid to go back and look at HBP until book 7, I'd really thank you a lot...**
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*tentatively opens her copy of HBP*
I, like you, have not touched my copy since July 18th. I'll look for some quotes, anything.. giving page numbers. I'll only be looking around the whole.. Our!Hermione and the B1tch!Hermione transition area, as it's where I believe most clues like these are to be found.
*gets pissed off when she sees her sister has folded the edges of pages X_x*
Alright, here's something, about a page long. After Harry arrives at the burrow and goes to sleep. It's page 89, the first time he sees Hermione and Ron since 5th year.
Alright, so now that me hands hurt, there are several signifigant things that happen in this passage. Going through it...
The door sounded like cannon fire when it was opened, so loud it woke him up. Hermione was the one who opened the door, because whoever opened the door also pulled open the curtain and said "We Didn't know you were here already!" loud and excitedly. He recieves a blow to the head, and a girls voice says "Ron, don't hit him!" Later in the passage, Ginny comes into the room, so the only female in the room is Hermione.
Ron askes Harry if he's alright and says that Mrs Weasley had only just told them that he was here. Now, picture it..
"Oh, by the way, Harry's here." [Mrs. Weasley] and Hermione is the first in the room, slamming the door open? Somebodies missed and been concerned about Harry over the summer..
"Were the Muggles all right? Did they treat you okay?"
We presume this statement is said by Hermione, because.."Same as usual," said Harry, as Hermione perched herself on the edge of his bed follows it.
Hermione is being careful with what she says and does, she's making sure Harry is emotionally okay. She's not stupid -- she knows that he'll be grieving Sirius.
"who was scrutinizing Harry as though he was sicking for something. He thought he knew what was behind this, and he had no wish to discuss Sirius's death or any other miserable subject at the moment"
"Hermione flashed a warning look at Ron, and Ron changed tack at top speed."
Hermione has been talking with Ron about the events of the end of the 5th year all summer. Coaching Ron's behavior, trying to avoid CapsLock!Harry.
When Harry is describing Slughorn, he stops and askes Hermione is anything is wrong, "She was watching him as though expecting strange symptoms to menifest themselves at any moment. She rearranged her features hastily in an unconvincing smile."
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Alright, I've found something else, minor.. page 97-98
"Don't worry," said Ron, who was plainly trying not to laugh, "Mum'll fix tht, she's good at healing minor injuries --"
"Oh well, never mind that now!" said Hermione hastily. "Harry, oh, Harry.."
She sat down on the edge of his bed again.
Ron says "Don't worry" trying to comfort but is trying to hide laughter. But hermione doesnt care and brushed past Ron for Harry "Harry, oh, Harry.."
SQUEE! sorry.. X_x
the following is very touching, she's sitting on the bed, probably staring at him, and leaning in, asking if he's scared.
SQUEE! again, sorry.. X_x
"Hermione, will you shut up, you're not the only one who's nervous!" barked Ron. "And when you've got your eleven 'Outstanding' O.W.L.s . . ."
Hermione is nervous, Mrs. Weasley is comforting, Ron, abusing. [That might seem like Ron-bashing, but he's being mean!]
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Now, for a transition sequence..
I can't find one. and I'm tired.. and I'll look more later. te-da
I, like you, have not touched my copy since July 18th. I'll look for some quotes, anything.. giving page numbers. I'll only be looking around the whole.. Our!Hermione and the B1tch!Hermione transition area, as it's where I believe most clues like these are to be found.
*gets pissed off when she sees her sister has folded the edges of pages X_x*
Alright, here's something, about a page long. After Harry arrives at the burrow and goes to sleep. It's page 89, the first time he sees Hermione and Ron since 5th year.
Seconds later, or so it seemed to Harry, he was awakened by what sounded like cannon fire as the door burst open. Sitting bolt upright, he heard the rasp of the curtains being pulled back; The dazzling sunlight seemed to poke him hard in both eyes. Shieling them with one hand, he groped hopelessly for his glasses with the other.
"Wuzzgoinon?"
"We didn't know you were here already!" said a loud and excited voice, and he recieved a sharp blow to the top of the head.
"Ron, don't hit him!" said a girl's voice reproachfully.
Harry's hand found his glasses and he shoved them on, though the light was so bright he could hardly see anyway. A long, looming shadow quivered in front of him for a moment; he blinked and Ron Weasley came into focus, grinning down at him.
"All right?"
"Never been better," said Harry, rubbing the top of his head and slumping back onto his pillow. "You?"
"Not bad," said Ron, pulling over a cardboard box and sitting on it. "When did you get here? Mum's only just told us!"
"About one o'clock this morning."
"Were the Muggles all right? Did they treat you okay?"
"Same as usual," said Harry, as Hermione perched herself on the edge of his bed, "they didn't talk to me much, but I like it better that way. How're you, Hermione?"
"Oh, I'm fine," said Hermione, who was scrutinizing Harry as though he was sicking for something. He thought he knew what was behind this, and he had no wish to discuss Sirius's death or any other miserable subject at the moment, he said, "What's the time? Have I missed breakfast?"
[...a little further on, pg. 90. They're talking about Dumbledore and Harry's recruiting Slughorn...]
"Oh," said Ron, looking disappointed. "We thought --"
Hermione flashed a warning look at Ron, and Ron changed tack at top speed.
"-- we thought it'd be something like that."
"You did?" said Harry, amused.
"Yeah . . . yeah, now Umbridge has left, obviously we need a new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, don't we? so, er, what's he like?"
"He looks a bit like a walrus, and he used to be Head of Slytherin," said Harry. "Something wrong, Hermione?"
She was watching him as though expecting strange symptoms to menifest themselves at any moment. She rearranged her features hastily in an unconvincing smile.
"No, of course not! So, um, did Slughotn seem like he's be a good teacher?"
Alright, so now that me hands hurt, there are several signifigant things that happen in this passage. Going through it...
The door sounded like cannon fire when it was opened, so loud it woke him up. Hermione was the one who opened the door, because whoever opened the door also pulled open the curtain and said "We Didn't know you were here already!" loud and excitedly. He recieves a blow to the head, and a girls voice says "Ron, don't hit him!" Later in the passage, Ginny comes into the room, so the only female in the room is Hermione.
Ron askes Harry if he's alright and says that Mrs Weasley had only just told them that he was here. Now, picture it..
"Oh, by the way, Harry's here." [Mrs. Weasley] and Hermione is the first in the room, slamming the door open? Somebodies missed and been concerned about Harry over the summer..
"Were the Muggles all right? Did they treat you okay?"
We presume this statement is said by Hermione, because.."Same as usual," said Harry, as Hermione perched herself on the edge of his bed follows it.
Hermione is being careful with what she says and does, she's making sure Harry is emotionally okay. She's not stupid -- she knows that he'll be grieving Sirius.
"who was scrutinizing Harry as though he was sicking for something. He thought he knew what was behind this, and he had no wish to discuss Sirius's death or any other miserable subject at the moment"
"Hermione flashed a warning look at Ron, and Ron changed tack at top speed."
Hermione has been talking with Ron about the events of the end of the 5th year all summer. Coaching Ron's behavior, trying to avoid CapsLock!Harry.
When Harry is describing Slughorn, he stops and askes Hermione is anything is wrong, "She was watching him as though expecting strange symptoms to menifest themselves at any moment. She rearranged her features hastily in an unconvincing smile."
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Alright, I've found something else, minor.. page 97-98
The three of them gazed at one another in silence for a moment. Then there was a loud bang and Hermione vanished behind a puff of black smoke.
"Hermione!" shouted Harry and Ron; the breakfast tray slid to the floor with a crash.
Hermione emerged, coughing, out of the smoke, clutching the telescope and sporting a brilliantly purple black eye.
"I squeezed it and it -- it punched me!" she gasped.
And sure enough, they now saw a tiny fist on a long spring rotruding from the end of the telescope.
"Don't worry," said Ron, who was plainly trying not to laugh, "Mum'll fix tht, she's good at healing minor injuries --"
"Oh well, never mind that now!" said Hermione hastily. "Harry, oh, Harry.."
She sat down on the edge of his bed again.
"We wondered, after we got back from the Ministry. . . Obviously, we didn't want to say anything to you, but from what Lucius Malfoy said about the prophecy, how it was about you and Voldemort, well, we thought it might be something like this . . . Oh, Harry . . ." She stared at him, then whispered, "Are you scared?"
[..Hermione leaves the room and wants OWL results, Harry and Ron follow her ten minutes later..]
"I know I messed up Acient runes," muttered Hermione feverishly, "I definitely made at least one series mistranslations. And the Defense Against the Dark Arts practical was no good at all. I thought Transfiguration went all right at the time, but looking back -- "
"Hermione, will you shut up, you're not the only one who's nervous!" barked Ron. "And when you've got your eleven 'Outstanding' O.W.L.s . . ."
"Don't, Don't, Don't!" said Hermione, flapping her hands hysterically. "I know I've failed everything!"
"Don't worry," said Ron, who was plainly trying not to laugh, "Mum'll fix tht, she's good at healing minor injuries --"
"Oh well, never mind that now!" said Hermione hastily. "Harry, oh, Harry.."
She sat down on the edge of his bed again.
Ron says "Don't worry" trying to comfort but is trying to hide laughter. But hermione doesnt care and brushed past Ron for Harry "Harry, oh, Harry.."
SQUEE! sorry.. X_x
the following is very touching, she's sitting on the bed, probably staring at him, and leaning in, asking if he's scared.
SQUEE! again, sorry.. X_x
"Hermione, will you shut up, you're not the only one who's nervous!" barked Ron. "And when you've got your eleven 'Outstanding' O.W.L.s . . ."
Hermione is nervous, Mrs. Weasley is comforting, Ron, abusing. [That might seem like Ron-bashing, but he's being mean!]
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Now, for a transition sequence..
I can't find one. and I'm tired.. and I'll look more later. te-da
I think we will have a hard time finding quotes. not because our theories are implausible but because it takes large events and analyzes them from what we know of their charactor.
(I can never find quotes but here is the best i can do for now. it is really late and i am really tired)
Molly says that during the last year there were a lot of hasty marriages, it can also be assumed there were even more hasty relationships.
Hermione starts to feel a little uncertain after the prophecy is revealed. normally she would have been right next to him but instead she sits on the end of the bed. she also squeazed the telescope, so it obviously effected her much more than she was letting on.
Hermione lists a lot of reasons why Harry is "fanciable" while we can write that off as her knowledge of feelings it does beg the question. How much did she think about Harry to know all these things?
after Harry starts to rely on the potions book she becomes very angry and distant. we can assume from her character that she feels they need her for her smarts but now she has been replaced by a book and is very hurt. it is after the encounter with the imfamous book that everything goes downhill
i'll think of more when i'm not tired
(I can never find quotes but here is the best i can do for now. it is really late and i am really tired)
Molly says that during the last year there were a lot of hasty marriages, it can also be assumed there were even more hasty relationships.
Hermione starts to feel a little uncertain after the prophecy is revealed. normally she would have been right next to him but instead she sits on the end of the bed. she also squeazed the telescope, so it obviously effected her much more than she was letting on.
Hermione lists a lot of reasons why Harry is "fanciable" while we can write that off as her knowledge of feelings it does beg the question. How much did she think about Harry to know all these things?
after Harry starts to rely on the potions book she becomes very angry and distant. we can assume from her character that she feels they need her for her smarts but now she has been replaced by a book and is very hurt. it is after the encounter with the imfamous book that everything goes downhill
i'll think of more when i'm not tired
Well, my standing theory has been that it all went downhill when they sniffed the love potion. That's where all the crazy stuff started, I figure. I mean one moment they are all fine - the next Harry is fantasizing about Ginny, Ron and Hermione are yelling their heads off etc. Love potion creates infatuation and obsession - a good description of what happened IMHO. So that's the lesson, kids - dont get high on unfamiliar stuff!
I guess when i'm done with my first fic I should collect all the bits of reasoning in it into a long essay...
I guess when i'm done with my first fic I should collect all the bits of reasoning in it into a long essay...
There was one after Snape's first DADA class, where Hermione stated that Snape's lecture was like Harry's during their fifth year. It suprised Harry so much that Hermione remembered what he said word for word that he was left speechless.
Don't strain too hard looking for solid positive Harry/Hermione interaction: They're supposed to be played off against each other, Harry's Slytherin tendencies versus Hermione's Ravenclaw tendencies. Their loyalty and concern for each other keep them together as close friends (something Ron couldn't do for Harry during their spat in GOF), and they pull together when it counts.
Perhaps Snape orchistrated Harry getting the book to pit Harry against Hermione and keep them from messing up Snape's plans...?
Perhaps Snape orchistrated Harry getting the book to pit Harry against Hermione and keep them from messing up Snape's plans...?
I don't think we're looking for positive interaction, we're looking for interactions that could prove that Hermione likes both Harry and Ron and that she may have to choose between right and easy in book 7 or clues that say she's settling for Ron.
The whole you've never been more fanciable quote could be good for our side?
The whole you've never been more fanciable quote could be good for our side?
something i found oddly posotive was the whole fake out with the luck potion. the way Harry knew hermione well enough to trick her into giving ron confidence. you think she would admire the brilliance, subtlety, and how much he had to know about her to pull off that plan. do you think Ron could have ever done anything remotely close to that? i dont think so.
I think that we've been introduced to Hermione's biggest character flaw there: She hates to be shown up. The fact that Harry can dupe her in *any* way (potions, faking out Ron) must make her skin crawl. The other thing is that Hermione likes to be in charge, and we have a definite transition here to a Harry Potter who takes orders from no one, not even Hermione. I know it's a vague statement, but I think we have a bit of a play on both Harry's and Hermione's part for leadership of the trio and friends, and Harry comes out ahead by leaps and bounds. I know that there's not an open competition or any implied jealousies, but Harry and Hermione clashed opinions a lot in this book.
On the other hand, when the cards are down and battles occur, Hermione accepts Harry's leadership without complaint. Hmm. Opinions on this one?
On the other hand, when the cards are down and battles occur, Hermione accepts Harry's leadership without complaint. Hmm. Opinions on this one?
Hermione always thought school was her thing but now he is handling herself. she already knows he has a heavy destiny to deal with so she is afraid of being left behind. Harry and Ron are pretty much her only connection to the magical world. things will definitely change once they leave school since her intelligence will be used in another way than studying for tests. plus they will constantly be in danger so she will most likely accept his leadership during this war.
QUOTE(Disciple of Yorae @ Aug 19 2005, 01:13 AM)
Hermione always thought school was her thing but now he is handling herself. she already knows he has a heavy destiny to deal with so she is afraid of being left behind. Harry and Ron are pretty much her only connection to the magical world. things will definitely change once they leave school since her intelligence will be used in another way than studying for tests. plus they will constantly be in danger so she will most likely accept his leadership during this war.
And that's where the group dynamics come into play: Harry *never* lets Hermione enter combat alone or unprotected. In every confrontation he's either been there protecting her (especially book 5), even by proxy (the Felix Felicis in book 6). Ron, however, is free to act as he chooses; Harry doesn't keep tabs on Ron's position; hell, he just raced past Ginny's position, and she was his girlfriend at the time. However, Hermione was conveniently aside for that combat, so Harry didn't feel obligated to stop and help her, unlike in book 5. Anyone else think that Hermione's abscence from the main battle is conspicuous, intended to keep Harry's opinions of her low-key for this book?
It'll be interesting to see Hermione out of school if they go that way in book7. Perhaps the roles are reversed, and once again Harry will be teaching Hermione (DA all over again).
Exactly, Warlock, exactly! That too is what I have in mind! (Oh, nice hair by the way 
)
Hermione's flaw as a character, Harry's reaction toward best-friend Hermione (in book 5) and girlfriend Ginny (in book 6) during a heavy battle--which is compeletely different! Yeah, Harry passed Ginny just like that!--, and Hermione accompanying Harry in book 7... it all fits!
I mean, Hermione, dropping her very last year at Hogwart for Harry? Now that is 'something'. That only shows how deeper-than-friendship things are between her and Harry. About Ron, well he's never been a big-fan of school and studying, isn't he?
And you know what else? When I read about the Imperius Curse, I was like 'Oh my Giddy aunt, anyone in this book could be NOT the real them!' If you see the people who changed quite drastic in HBP, that would be Hermione and Ginny. (Don't you think?) But in this case, I'm more interested in the change of Hermione.
Cuz you see.... What if the death eaters have learned (from the previous year) that Hermione is such a big help for Harry? What if Hermione is under Imperius Curse so she couldn't help Harry?
I know it sounds... crazy. But what if? I mean Hermione is back to normal again after the battle..... After Dumbledore died.
I say it started from book 5, when Harry are really in face-to-face battle with them death eaters. What if the death eaters have actually learned the people who are such a big help for Harry AND THEN try to get them one by one away from Harry? Do remember that Hermione saved Harry's ass most of the time during the battle in book 5. If what I said above is true, don't you think Hermione is the 1st on the list?
And how to get rid of Hermione? By breaking their friendship a bit. Through what? This is where Snape came in with that bloody book of his. Snape's been teaching them for years. He knew. Hermione likes being the best in everything. And Harry wants to prove himself (like the sorting hat said).
Yes, crazy, I know. But hey, it could happen... watcha think?
) Hermione's flaw as a character, Harry's reaction toward best-friend Hermione (in book 5) and girlfriend Ginny (in book 6) during a heavy battle--which is compeletely different! Yeah, Harry passed Ginny just like that!--, and Hermione accompanying Harry in book 7... it all fits!
I mean, Hermione, dropping her very last year at Hogwart for Harry? Now that is 'something'. That only shows how deeper-than-friendship things are between her and Harry. About Ron, well he's never been a big-fan of school and studying, isn't he?
And you know what else? When I read about the Imperius Curse, I was like 'Oh my Giddy aunt, anyone in this book could be NOT the real them!' If you see the people who changed quite drastic in HBP, that would be Hermione and Ginny. (Don't you think?) But in this case, I'm more interested in the change of Hermione.
Cuz you see.... What if the death eaters have learned (from the previous year) that Hermione is such a big help for Harry? What if Hermione is under Imperius Curse so she couldn't help Harry?
I know it sounds... crazy. But what if? I mean Hermione is back to normal again after the battle..... After Dumbledore died.
I say it started from book 5, when Harry are really in face-to-face battle with them death eaters. What if the death eaters have actually learned the people who are such a big help for Harry AND THEN try to get them one by one away from Harry? Do remember that Hermione saved Harry's ass most of the time during the battle in book 5. If what I said above is true, don't you think Hermione is the 1st on the list?
And how to get rid of Hermione? By breaking their friendship a bit. Through what? This is where Snape came in with that bloody book of his. Snape's been teaching them for years. He knew. Hermione likes being the best in everything. And Harry wants to prove himself (like the sorting hat said).
Yes, crazy, I know. But hey, it could happen... watcha think?
ok before i start, i am new here so if anybody could tell how to get an icon (with no issues regarding its size 
) that would appreciated...
now back to H/Hr....now its obivious that hermione knew ginny liked harry, because like ginny said at the end of HBP that it was hermione who told her to be normal around harry, etc. NOW...i have been in situation before where i liked a guy (whom i was friends with before, really good friends) and then fine out later that one of my friends like him too
...so anyways i backed away, it was sad but i couldn't go out with him knowing that a friend of mine likes him (he asked me out and i turned him down 
)...i personally would've have felt horrible if i'd have said yes...my friend ended up going out with (just like ginny and harry) and it didnt work out (again just like ginny and harry)...and then sometime (about year..actually) after he asked me again and we went out...it didnt work out but thats whole diffirent story...BUT my point is that there HOPE...our ship is still sailing...there was just bad weather 
...
and beside in that infamous interview
...JK never said the word "delusional" to us she said that it was "THEIR" word and not her's....and she said that "we NOW know its ron and hermione" emphasis on the word NOW...who knows what will happen later [SIZE=7]
) that would appreciated...now back to H/Hr....now its obivious that hermione knew ginny liked harry, because like ginny said at the end of HBP that it was hermione who told her to be normal around harry, etc. NOW...i have been in situation before where i liked a guy (whom i was friends with before, really good friends) and then fine out later that one of my friends like him too
...so anyways i backed away, it was sad but i couldn't go out with him knowing that a friend of mine likes him (he asked me out and i turned him down )...i personally would've have felt horrible if i'd have said yes...my friend ended up going out with (just like ginny and harry) and it didnt work out (again just like ginny and harry)...and then sometime (about year..actually) after he asked me again and we went out...it didnt work out but thats whole diffirent story...BUT my point is that there HOPE...our ship is still sailing...there was just bad weather ...and beside in that infamous interview
...JK never said the word "delusional" to us she said that it was "THEIR" word and not her's....and she said that "we NOW know its ron and hermione" emphasis on the word NOW...who knows what will happen later [SIZE=7]
QUOTE(Zephiea @ Aug 17 2005, 11:29 PM)
*tentatively opens her copy of HBP*
I, like you, have not touched my copy since July 18th. I'll look for some quotes, anything.. giving page numbers. I'll only be looking around the whole.. Our!Hermione and the B1tch!Hermione transition area, as it's where I believe most clues like these are to be found.
*gets pissed off when she sees her sister has folded the edges of pages X_x*
Alright, here's something, about a page long. After Harry arrives at the burrow and goes to sleep. It's page 89, the first time he sees Hermione and Ron since 5th year.
Alright, so now that me hands hurt, there are several signifigant things that happen in this passage. Going through it...
The door sounded like cannon fire when it was opened, so loud it woke him up. Hermione was the one who opened the door, because whoever opened the door also pulled open the curtain and said "We Didn't know you were here already!" loud and excitedly. He recieves a blow to the head, and a girls voice says "Ron, don't hit him!" Later in the passage, Ginny comes into the room, so the only female in the room is Hermione.
Ron askes Harry if he's alright and says that Mrs Weasley had only just told them that he was here. Now, picture it..
"Oh, by the way, Harry's here." [Mrs. Weasley] and Hermione is the first in the room, slamming the door open? Somebodies missed and been concerned about Harry over the summer..
"Were the Muggles all right? Did they treat you okay?"
We presume this statement is said by Hermione, because.."Same as usual," said Harry, as Hermione perched herself on the edge of his bed follows it.
Hermione is being careful with what she says and does, she's making sure Harry is emotionally okay. She's not stupid -- she knows that he'll be grieving Sirius.
"who was scrutinizing Harry as though he was sicking for something. He thought he knew what was behind this, and he had no wish to discuss Sirius's death or any other miserable subject at the moment"
"Hermione flashed a warning look at Ron, and Ron changed tack at top speed."
Hermione has been talking with Ron about the events of the end of the 5th year all summer. Coaching Ron's behavior, trying to avoid CapsLock!Harry.
When Harry is describing Slughorn, he stops and askes Hermione is anything is wrong, "She was watching him as though expecting strange symptoms to menifest themselves at any moment. She rearranged her features hastily in an unconvincing smile."
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Alright, I've found something else, minor.. page 97-98
"Don't worry," said Ron, who was plainly trying not to laugh, "Mum'll fix tht, she's good at healing minor injuries --"
"Oh well, never mind that now!" said Hermione hastily. "Harry, oh, Harry.."
She sat down on the edge of his bed again.
Ron says "Don't worry" trying to comfort but is trying to hide laughter. But hermione doesnt care and brushed past Ron for Harry "Harry, oh, Harry.."
SQUEE! sorry.. X_x
the following is very touching, she's sitting on the bed, probably staring at him, and leaning in, asking if he's scared.
SQUEE! again, sorry.. X_x
"Hermione, will you shut up, you're not the only one who's nervous!" barked Ron. "And when you've got your eleven 'Outstanding' O.W.L.s . . ."
Hermione is nervous, Mrs. Weasley is comforting, Ron, abusing. [That might seem like Ron-bashing, but he's being mean!]
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Now, for a transition sequence..
I can't find one. and I'm tired.. and I'll look more later. te-da
I, like you, have not touched my copy since July 18th. I'll look for some quotes, anything.. giving page numbers. I'll only be looking around the whole.. Our!Hermione and the B1tch!Hermione transition area, as it's where I believe most clues like these are to be found.
*gets pissed off when she sees her sister has folded the edges of pages X_x*
Alright, here's something, about a page long. After Harry arrives at the burrow and goes to sleep. It's page 89, the first time he sees Hermione and Ron since 5th year.
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Seconds later, or so it seemed to Harry, he was awakened by what sounded like cannon fire as the door burst open. Sitting bolt upright, he heard the rasp of the curtains being pulled back; The dazzling sunlight seemed to poke him hard in both eyes. Shieling them with one hand, he groped hopelessly for his glasses with the other.
"Wuzzgoinon?"
"We didn't know you were here already!" said a loud and excited voice, and he recieved a sharp blow to the top of the head.
"Ron, don't hit him!" said a girl's voice reproachfully.
Harry's hand found his glasses and he shoved them on, though the light was so bright he could hardly see anyway. A long, looming shadow quivered in front of him for a moment; he blinked and Ron Weasley came into focus, grinning down at him.
"All right?"
"Never been better," said Harry, rubbing the top of his head and slumping back onto his pillow. "You?"
"Not bad," said Ron, pulling over a cardboard box and sitting on it. "When did you get here? Mum's only just told us!"
"About one o'clock this morning."
"Were the Muggles all right? Did they treat you okay?"
"Same as usual," said Harry, as Hermione perched herself on the edge of his bed, "they didn't talk to me much, but I like it better that way. How're you, Hermione?"
"Oh, I'm fine," said Hermione, who was scrutinizing Harry as though he was sicking for something. He thought he knew what was behind this, and he had no wish to discuss Sirius's death or any other miserable subject at the moment, he said, "What's the time? Have I missed breakfast?"
[...a little further on, pg. 90. They're talking about Dumbledore and Harry's recruiting Slughorn...]
"Oh," said Ron, looking disappointed. "We thought --"
Hermione flashed a warning look at Ron, and Ron changed tack at top speed.
"-- we thought it'd be something like that."
"You did?" said Harry, amused.
"Yeah . . . yeah, now Umbridge has left, obviously we need a new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, don't we? so, er, what's he like?"
"He looks a bit like a walrus, and he used to be Head of Slytherin," said Harry. "Something wrong, Hermione?"
She was watching him as though expecting strange symptoms to menifest themselves at any moment. She rearranged her features hastily in an unconvincing smile.
"No, of course not! So, um, did Slughotn seem like he's be a good teacher?"
"Wuzzgoinon?"
"We didn't know you were here already!" said a loud and excited voice, and he recieved a sharp blow to the top of the head.
"Ron, don't hit him!" said a girl's voice reproachfully.
Harry's hand found his glasses and he shoved them on, though the light was so bright he could hardly see anyway. A long, looming shadow quivered in front of him for a moment; he blinked and Ron Weasley came into focus, grinning down at him.
"All right?"
"Never been better," said Harry, rubbing the top of his head and slumping back onto his pillow. "You?"
"Not bad," said Ron, pulling over a cardboard box and sitting on it. "When did you get here? Mum's only just told us!"
"About one o'clock this morning."
"Were the Muggles all right? Did they treat you okay?"
"Same as usual," said Harry, as Hermione perched herself on the edge of his bed, "they didn't talk to me much, but I like it better that way. How're you, Hermione?"
"Oh, I'm fine," said Hermione, who was scrutinizing Harry as though he was sicking for something. He thought he knew what was behind this, and he had no wish to discuss Sirius's death or any other miserable subject at the moment, he said, "What's the time? Have I missed breakfast?"
[...a little further on, pg. 90. They're talking about Dumbledore and Harry's recruiting Slughorn...]
"Oh," said Ron, looking disappointed. "We thought --"
Hermione flashed a warning look at Ron, and Ron changed tack at top speed.
"-- we thought it'd be something like that."
"You did?" said Harry, amused.
"Yeah . . . yeah, now Umbridge has left, obviously we need a new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, don't we? so, er, what's he like?"
"He looks a bit like a walrus, and he used to be Head of Slytherin," said Harry. "Something wrong, Hermione?"
She was watching him as though expecting strange symptoms to menifest themselves at any moment. She rearranged her features hastily in an unconvincing smile.
"No, of course not! So, um, did Slughotn seem like he's be a good teacher?"
Alright, so now that me hands hurt, there are several signifigant things that happen in this passage. Going through it...
The door sounded like cannon fire when it was opened, so loud it woke him up. Hermione was the one who opened the door, because whoever opened the door also pulled open the curtain and said "We Didn't know you were here already!" loud and excitedly. He recieves a blow to the head, and a girls voice says "Ron, don't hit him!" Later in the passage, Ginny comes into the room, so the only female in the room is Hermione.
Ron askes Harry if he's alright and says that Mrs Weasley had only just told them that he was here. Now, picture it..
"Oh, by the way, Harry's here." [Mrs. Weasley] and Hermione is the first in the room, slamming the door open? Somebodies missed and been concerned about Harry over the summer..
"Were the Muggles all right? Did they treat you okay?"
We presume this statement is said by Hermione, because.."Same as usual," said Harry, as Hermione perched herself on the edge of his bed follows it.
Hermione is being careful with what she says and does, she's making sure Harry is emotionally okay. She's not stupid -- she knows that he'll be grieving Sirius.
"who was scrutinizing Harry as though he was sicking for something. He thought he knew what was behind this, and he had no wish to discuss Sirius's death or any other miserable subject at the moment"
"Hermione flashed a warning look at Ron, and Ron changed tack at top speed."
Hermione has been talking with Ron about the events of the end of the 5th year all summer. Coaching Ron's behavior, trying to avoid CapsLock!Harry.
When Harry is describing Slughorn, he stops and askes Hermione is anything is wrong, "She was watching him as though expecting strange symptoms to menifest themselves at any moment. She rearranged her features hastily in an unconvincing smile."
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Alright, I've found something else, minor.. page 97-98
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The three of them gazed at one another in silence for a moment. Then there was a loud bang and Hermione vanished behind a puff of black smoke.
"Hermione!" shouted Harry and Ron; the breakfast tray slid to the floor with a crash.
Hermione emerged, coughing, out of the smoke, clutching the telescope and sporting a brilliantly purple black eye.
"I squeezed it and it -- it punched me!" she gasped.
And sure enough, they now saw a tiny fist on a long spring rotruding from the end of the telescope.
"Don't worry," said Ron, who was plainly trying not to laugh, "Mum'll fix tht, she's good at healing minor injuries --"
"Oh well, never mind that now!" said Hermione hastily. "Harry, oh, Harry.."
She sat down on the edge of his bed again.
"We wondered, after we got back from the Ministry. . . Obviously, we didn't want to say anything to you, but from what Lucius Malfoy said about the prophecy, how it was about you and Voldemort, well, we thought it might be something like this . . . Oh, Harry . . ." She stared at him, then whispered, "Are you scared?"
[..Hermione leaves the room and wants OWL results, Harry and Ron follow her ten minutes later..]
"I know I messed up Acient runes," muttered Hermione feverishly, "I definitely made at least one series mistranslations. And the Defense Against the Dark Arts practical was no good at all. I thought Transfiguration went all right at the time, but looking back -- "
"Hermione, will you shut up, you're not the only one who's nervous!" barked Ron. "And when you've got your eleven 'Outstanding' O.W.L.s . . ."
"Don't, Don't, Don't!" said Hermione, flapping her hands hysterically. "I know I've failed everything!"
"Hermione!" shouted Harry and Ron; the breakfast tray slid to the floor with a crash.
Hermione emerged, coughing, out of the smoke, clutching the telescope and sporting a brilliantly purple black eye.
"I squeezed it and it -- it punched me!" she gasped.
And sure enough, they now saw a tiny fist on a long spring rotruding from the end of the telescope.
"Don't worry," said Ron, who was plainly trying not to laugh, "Mum'll fix tht, she's good at healing minor injuries --"
"Oh well, never mind that now!" said Hermione hastily. "Harry, oh, Harry.."
She sat down on the edge of his bed again.
"We wondered, after we got back from the Ministry. . . Obviously, we didn't want to say anything to you, but from what Lucius Malfoy said about the prophecy, how it was about you and Voldemort, well, we thought it might be something like this . . . Oh, Harry . . ." She stared at him, then whispered, "Are you scared?"
[..Hermione leaves the room and wants OWL results, Harry and Ron follow her ten minutes later..]
"I know I messed up Acient runes," muttered Hermione feverishly, "I definitely made at least one series mistranslations. And the Defense Against the Dark Arts practical was no good at all. I thought Transfiguration went all right at the time, but looking back -- "
"Hermione, will you shut up, you're not the only one who's nervous!" barked Ron. "And when you've got your eleven 'Outstanding' O.W.L.s . . ."
"Don't, Don't, Don't!" said Hermione, flapping her hands hysterically. "I know I've failed everything!"
"Don't worry," said Ron, who was plainly trying not to laugh, "Mum'll fix tht, she's good at healing minor injuries --"
"Oh well, never mind that now!" said Hermione hastily. "Harry, oh, Harry.."
She sat down on the edge of his bed again.
Ron says "Don't worry" trying to comfort but is trying to hide laughter. But hermione doesnt care and brushed past Ron for Harry "Harry, oh, Harry.."
SQUEE! sorry.. X_x
the following is very touching, she's sitting on the bed, probably staring at him, and leaning in, asking if he's scared.
SQUEE! again, sorry.. X_x
"Hermione, will you shut up, you're not the only one who's nervous!" barked Ron. "And when you've got your eleven 'Outstanding' O.W.L.s . . ."
Hermione is nervous, Mrs. Weasley is comforting, Ron, abusing. [That might seem like Ron-bashing, but he's being mean!]
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Now, for a transition sequence..
I can't find one. and I'm tired.. and I'll look more later. te-da
I think?..this is one of my few favorite H/hr "Major Moment" from HBP. it really show that Hermione still concerned, cared and understand to Harry, he is still he "First number one" important person.
Sam old..ROn is insulted and scream at Hermione to "Stup up" how that for guy who think? that he is "in love" with some girl. I still understand how R/hr think?..that Hermione will end up with this "hard-headed-hot-temper-git!" it above ME!!
I think it's exactly where you all think it is:
Harry is very concerned about Hermione's safety and happiness, but he also has a lot on his plate. Provided Hermione is not in any danger (physical or emotional -- look how Harry immeidately went after her when she first saw Ron with Lavender), Harry reverts to "must defeat enemies" mode, and is quite Slytherin in nature.
Hermione is also concerned about Harry's safety and happiness, and that concern clashes with her other priorities -- so she generally overrides them. Provided that Harry doesn't need support (physical, emotional, or academic -- she's never had a year off of helping Harry with schoolwork, maybe she should thank Snape for his book), Hermione reverts to "bookworm" mode, and is quite Ravenclaw in nature.
It's interesting that they each thought the other safe enough this year to relax their "Griffindor" sides and let their other sides clash, but the war is on, the shields are back up, and I think that we'll see a closer dynamic between the two.
Now, I have a question for you all:
Harry was a Slytherin that ended up in Griffindor. Hermione was a Ravenclaw that ended up in Griffindor. You think that it's conspicuous that Ron (and Ginny I guess) doesn't have personality conflicts like that?
Harry is very concerned about Hermione's safety and happiness, but he also has a lot on his plate. Provided Hermione is not in any danger (physical or emotional -- look how Harry immeidately went after her when she first saw Ron with Lavender), Harry reverts to "must defeat enemies" mode, and is quite Slytherin in nature.
Hermione is also concerned about Harry's safety and happiness, and that concern clashes with her other priorities -- so she generally overrides them. Provided that Harry doesn't need support (physical, emotional, or academic -- she's never had a year off of helping Harry with schoolwork, maybe she should thank Snape for his book), Hermione reverts to "bookworm" mode, and is quite Ravenclaw in nature.
It's interesting that they each thought the other safe enough this year to relax their "Griffindor" sides and let their other sides clash, but the war is on, the shields are back up, and I think that we'll see a closer dynamic between the two.
Now, I have a question for you all:
Harry was a Slytherin that ended up in Griffindor. Hermione was a Ravenclaw that ended up in Griffindor. You think that it's conspicuous that Ron (and Ginny I guess) doesn't have personality conflicts like that?
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Now, I have a question for you all:
Harry was a Slytherin that ended up in Griffindor. Hermione was a Ravenclaw that ended up in Griffindor. You think that it's conspicuous that Ron (and Ginny I guess) doesn't have personality conflicts like that?
Harry was a Slytherin that ended up in Griffindor. Hermione was a Ravenclaw that ended up in Griffindor. You think that it's conspicuous that Ron (and Ginny I guess) doesn't have personality conflicts like that?
I think you arfe getting onto something. If we take a look at Ron, he has more of a lay-back personality. He goes with the flow of the situation, usually following what Harry or Hermione says or does. I don't think I remember seeing Ron take a stance of his own. His biggest conflict I think is quidditch.
In the case of Ginny, it's so hard to say. She is so unknown to me that I cannot point a conflict in her. She seems to have her life worked out and in no particular need of the Trio, so she can very well go back to be a peripherical (sp?) character.
Harry and Hermione tried to go to that side of theirs that makes them a bit different (Ravenclaw and Slytherine). But now they will have to work together, and maybe we'll see how badly Harry needs Hermione. I don't think it would be a stretch to say that she also needs him badly.
I also thought that it was strange that Hermione did not feature in the battle scene, and maybe it was intended like that. The question we'll never get an answer I think would be, had Hermione needed help in that battle, would Harry have helped her?
I have Ginny covered in the "Is there any hope..." thread, page 8.
Ron, however, is interesting: definitely a follower, but possibly the only one of the trio that didn't have to convince the sorting hat to place them in Griffindor. He has fears, but he faces them for Harry (Spiders, Voldemort). He's all for fun, but he's protective of his friends. He loves quidditch, but he also wants the team to do well. He's arrogant and has a quick temper, but his heart is in the right place. He's the most likely person to mess up, but he has a good sense of humor about it.
...He's the most normal, average kid in the school. I wonder if the hat considered him for Hufflepuff, but Ron chose Griffindor to help his friends and brothers? Hmm...
Ron, however, is interesting: definitely a follower, but possibly the only one of the trio that didn't have to convince the sorting hat to place them in Griffindor. He has fears, but he faces them for Harry (Spiders, Voldemort). He's all for fun, but he's protective of his friends. He loves quidditch, but he also wants the team to do well. He's arrogant and has a quick temper, but his heart is in the right place. He's the most likely person to mess up, but he has a good sense of humor about it.
...He's the most normal, average kid in the school. I wonder if the hat considered him for Hufflepuff, but Ron chose Griffindor to help his friends and brothers? Hmm...
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I also thought that it was strange that Hermione did not feature in the battle scene, and maybe it was intended like that. The question we'll never get an answer I think would be, had Hermione needed help in that battle, would Harry have helped her?
It crossed my mind that the DoM fiasco proved that Hermione could be a distraction for Harry in the midst of a battle. Could be ( my delusional side rearing it's pretty head ) that our hero thought wrong about keeping what he thought was his LI interest safe? And although it has always been the Trio from the start, was it a mistake taking Hermione instead? Forgetting the fact that he almost lost his wits the moment she fell.
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Sam old..ROn is insulted and scream at Hermione to "Shut up" how that for guy who think? that he is "in love" with some girl. I still understand how R/hr think?..that Hermione will end up with this "hard-headed-hot-temper-git!" it above ME!!
I remembered a scene in the movie "The Godfather" where the protective eldest brother Santino reacted harshly against his young sister's husband the moment he told her to "Shut Up". The husband proved to be a wife beater and in the end, it was clear he didn't love his wife and married her only to get into the 'family business'.
That's not off topic at all; that's exactly the demonstration of the flippant nature of Ron, and the lack of basic courtesy and repsect that Ron and Hermione have for each other.
As for Hermione being a distraction, I don't think so, and Harry expressed no frustration trying to protect her, he just did it. Not once did he say to her "I wish you;d have stayed behind," he just looked out for her as best he could, and she did the same. They were the only two to have real success working as a team.
That being said, Hermione *is* the weaker combatant, but not by so much that Harry is handicapped. He was going to go with Ron alone, and look how far Ron got -- mauled by a brain before the serious fighting got started.
Look how far Ginny got, or Luna; even Neville was incapable of spellcraft, though he was at least on his feat. It was virtually Harry and Hermione alone at the end.
Sounds like a good way to start the final showdown... Harry and Hermione alone at the end, just before facing off against Riddle.
As for Hermione being a distraction, I don't think so, and Harry expressed no frustration trying to protect her, he just did it. Not once did he say to her "I wish you;d have stayed behind," he just looked out for her as best he could, and she did the same. They were the only two to have real success working as a team.
That being said, Hermione *is* the weaker combatant, but not by so much that Harry is handicapped. He was going to go with Ron alone, and look how far Ron got -- mauled by a brain before the serious fighting got started.
Look how far Ginny got, or Luna; even Neville was incapable of spellcraft, though he was at least on his feat. It was virtually Harry and Hermione alone at the end.
Sounds like a good way to start the final showdown... Harry and Hermione alone at the end, just before facing off against Riddle.
in all the past 5 books...even the HBP, if i look for something between Harry and Hermione i can find it...and it convinces me that they like eachother but don't know it yet...then why did JK say in that stoopid interview that "we now know it ron and hermione" did she mean it as in NOW only or like from now on...because if it is now on...then i am mad! 
because what about all these other books where hermione is clearly caring and worried for HARRY...more then RON who is also his best friend..
i dont know what i am asking but i am just confused about why there is this discussion about who hermione should be with because its obvious to me that its HARRY!...am in the right thread for this post? [SIZE=7]
because what about all these other books where hermione is clearly caring and worried for HARRY...more then RON who is also his best friend..i dont know what i am asking but i am just confused about why there is this discussion about who hermione should be with because its obvious to me that its HARRY!...am in the right thread for this post?
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If you want hope, that isn't delusional at all ... i've found an essay, that just changes everything in HBP: It's not H/Hr, but anti-H/G...
It has a surprising evidence and shockingly logical arguments... when you have read it, you will read HBP again... just believe me!
I'm not sure, if I'm allowed to link to an essay on another fan-site; I didn't find anything in the rules though.
Creamtea's Stunning Fall-of-H/G Theory
(It's a D/G-site, but this essay hasn't to do something with that pairing!)
It has a surprising evidence and shockingly logical arguments... when you have read it, you will read HBP again... just believe me!
I'm not sure, if I'm allowed to link to an essay on another fan-site; I didn't find anything in the rules though.
Creamtea's Stunning Fall-of-H/G Theory
(It's a D/G-site, but this essay hasn't to do something with that pairing!)
Well that was surely an eye opening essay that I think everyone should read,whatever ship you support. If some people thought HBP was going to be this sweeping gothic romance(H/G fans particularly) they were sadly mistaken. What you do get is a lot of confusion and manipulation as the thematic devices in the novel. Now I get it when Hermione looked happy for Harry and Ginny in the common room. Unfortunately,it turns Hermione into a teenage Jezebel that we never thought she would become. It will be interesting to see if or when she will admit her part in trying to help Ginny finally win Harry.And then she realizes it backfired on her,when we return to this soap opera in the final book.
There are many arguments against Hermione being the one dosing Harry with the love potion. That he is being dosed is very compelling and I tend to lend toward that theory. I have lots of difficulty believing Hermione is the one doing it.
One argument against this is the reason behind her "beaming" during the H/G public kiss. She "beams", yes, but look at where "beaming" was used in another part of the book:
Right there we're shown that, just because someone is "beaming" doesn't mean that that person is all that happy. Here it was a front for both Hermione and Parvati. Was it also a front for Hermione when the H/G kiss occurred?
I'm just throwing this out there. While this essay is very well-written and well-researched, I wouldn't blindly start believing it yet.
One argument against this is the reason behind her "beaming" during the H/G public kiss. She "beams", yes, but look at where "beaming" was used in another part of the book:
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“Parvati positively beamed. Harry could tell that she was feeling guilty for having laughed at Hermione in Transfiguration. He looked around and saw that Hermione was beaming back, if possible even more brightly . Girls were very strange sometimes.
Right there we're shown that, just because someone is "beaming" doesn't mean that that person is all that happy. Here it was a front for both Hermione and Parvati. Was it also a front for Hermione when the H/G kiss occurred?
I'm just throwing this out there. While this essay is very well-written and well-researched, I wouldn't blindly start believing it yet.
whoa, i am a somewhat sceptic person, but for some reason i do believe this theory .... maybe its because it has so much back up and research and i am so weak against facts and solid bases, anyway .... there are a few flaws in it but overall it's an excellent theory
it wouldn't make me happy if it was true, though
it wouldn't make me happy if it was true, though
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