Reasons why I shipped

---HHr---
IMO, They are perfect together.
They have a love based on friendship and trust.
They are both the lead characters in HP.
They are both very powerful as a witch and wizard.
He values her opinion and vice-versa.
She isn't afraid of him and can like him for who he is.
He needs to work hard to defeat LV; she can help him.
She needs to value love and friendship; he knows how to value it.
He recognizes her loyalty (OotP).
She is comforted by his presence (OotP).
They can work well together.

---RL---
He's out of touch, and so is she.
He can help Harry, so can she.
He provides comic relief, so does she.
They both are kind of "out there".
They can learn from one another about understanding.
With Luna's help, Ron can have more than a tablespoon of emotinal ranges.

---End note---
I love the characters. When they have flaws, they seem more human.

That's why I'm against HG in HBP - Ginny is too "perfect", she's popular, pretty, clever, talented - it's something way too unbelieveable, even for JKR or Tolkien or any ther fantasy writer. Lily wasn't perfect; she also had faults, such as being prejudiced. However, Ginny seems to be constant, pretty, popular, etc. and too unbelieveable - I refuse to admit HG is canon.

I can accept RHr, but they don't seem to have UST, and thus their basis is practically not there. I mean, come on, Ron is Ron. Sexual tension means physical attraction, and the only part of physical attraction I can see is at the end of HBP, where he strokes her hair at Dumbledore's funeral. And that probably doesn't match with all the time Harry and hermione have been clutching each other, hugging each other, you name it!

I couldn't care what ship JKR makes it, and I couldn't care whether I am millitant. I also couldn't care if I am delusional - it's not so bad if I actually am.

As I always say, I'm delusional - live with it!

I have to agree!!

I don't like H/G either, for the same reasons and more. It was just SPRUNG on us and all it was was attraction, he doesn't really love her. I hope he finally realizes that and gets Hermione. I mean, to me, THAT'S the canon ship.

I don't accept R/Hr either. I much, much, MUCH prefer R/L. And they have a nice little moment in HBP (I have the actual conversation posted somewhere on the R/L thread).

I also have to agree, we're delusional - live with it!! lol.

Same here... To us, HHr = canon.

I think you forgot to mention that Hermione is one of the few friends Harry has that will say the Dark Lord's name even though she is afraid. Whereas Ron is too afraid to say it and so is Ginny (from what I could tell). Hermione was able to get over her fear of saying the Dark Lord's name in order to calm Harry down in OotP

That's true, but RHr shippers will say, "But Ginny -----," or "Luna----", so I'm sticking with the generals, to be safe...

I think this is a very good comment to make. Hermione is loyal to Harry no matter how much danger she gets in (OoP), no matter the consequences (PS/SS), and no matter how scared she is. Ron however STILL cannot say Voldemort's name. Hermione won't give up on Harry no matter what.

Those are all valid points,including her unwavering loyalty to him during GOF. She went to the ball with a guy whose a famous Quidditch player and who did she defend to the hilt? The one and only boy with a lightning shaped scar-Harry. The R/Hrs had a victory of sorts in GOF because that was supposed to be the book that showed they liked each other. Then OOTP comes along and leaves them rather confused about who Hermione likes,'cause she kisses them both on the cheek before the game. So now we've all read this little ditty and its left EVERYBODY across the board confused because although it was not overtly stated J.K.R. claims that R/Hr has happened at last. But the question is will it be forever?

I hope not...

Everyone must remember that there are infinite numbers of reasons why we like this ship, and I'm sick of taking... *pauses for a polite word* stuff from RHrs and HGs about how stupid we are and how we should have seen it coming! And they talk about us being immature - I could sue them for harassment.

NOTE TO RHr and HG SHIPPERS: This does not mean I think very lowly of you guys, I respect your ship and accept that JKR has made it canon (though HHr is canon to me). As in everyother ship there are bad eggs, and I'm sure most of you are very mature in reality.

That enough "Good" Reason" for me to ship H/hr too.. I don't know about R/L..I dont really care for it...and H/G as well. They had no meaning for me...or no "good" "Reason" for liking them either..

I want to add why?..I ship H/hr:

H/hr is Hero and Heroiest...they come together as ONE.
H/hr, they are soulmate.
H/hr is Power of Love...

Lol, well, everyone's entitled to their own opinion!:)

I should rewrite mine then!:)

*nods* I so very agree with you! Ginny is just so OOC and I don't really think her actions and personality is very canon-like. For one thing, isn't she supposed to be the shy, youngest girl in the Weasley Clan, who HAD a crush on the famous Harry Potter? (based on CoS) But now, she suddenly turned into this popular girl who snog (and I think its Dean Thomas..) a boy senseless? *shakes head* It just doesn't appeal to me I guess...

And also for Ron and Hermione. Again, you're right! Harry and Hermione had way more intimate times with each other! For one thing, they're the one who rescued Sirius in PoA. They're the one who ran into werewolves and helped each other out. Also, if its not for Harry, Hermione would've been dead already if he hadn't told Ron that they should go and look for Hermione (first book). Also, he's the one who DID rescue her from the troll...

Not to mention...the HUG! *nods* Who was it that Hermione came running for after she got petrified by the basilisk? It's Harry! He was the one who looked so lost when he found out that she got petrified. He was the one who stayed by her bedside when she was in the hospital wing!

Just goes to say, that I really don't agree with the whole pairings and everything in the sixth book. I don't think its canon at all. I was actually VERY disappointed.. I mean, didn't JK Rowling said that the pairings in the Sixth Book will be OBVIOUS?? Well, I guess she thinks that everyone will think that the most obvious pairings there is, is Ron.Hermione and Harry.Ginny...

My reason for shipping H/Hr and R/L is slightly skewed from the rest of you guys!

From the begining, before I knew what shipping even meant I prayed that Ron and Hermione didn't get together. I knew it was just going to end up wrong and thats when I learned from a girl friend of mines that their is fanon. I was introduced to D/Hr and I've enjoyed being a shipper since. Than a bit later as much as I enjoyed the fanon D/Hr world, I was begining to think it was a bit of a waste to invest so much time and energy on something that wasn't going to happen canon. But that was just my hesitant, non-responsive, side thinking at the time and than HBP came along.

*Fast forward* I came to a H/Hr site and well fell in love with all the wonderful evidence and proof. My friends think I've lost it, going astray and all. But I'm not!

H/Hr is something I'm going to BELIEVE will happen in canon (despite HBP/Interview) and D/Hr will just be for the fanon side of me.

As for R/L well...just look at them! They're so adorable and plausible! Especially now, after the HBP book. I'm telling you, JK did not put R/L moments for the hell of it. Everything she does is for a reason.

And that is my boring story.

By the way, I agree with you misspsychopath.

totaly agree..

If they think? that We H/hr shipper are "immature" and "delusional" they are one who is "delusional" because if R/hr and H/G think that their ship are "mature" and "Real" they are in some "Rough water" because they will sunk..like titantic...because they don't know the real meaning of word "True love" that will hold them "together" as it do for H/hr ship.

yeah .... that was... dissapointing... i couldn't believe it when i read it but i mean.. there's still hope isn't it??
i dont think hermione will be mentally satisfied with ron anyway ......

Let us hope for the best.

I always thought Ginny as this cute, sheltered, although somewhat outspoken, brassy, and then she suddenly has all the Hermione qualities and then she's much prettier! What gives?

Like Harry said. when he was with Ginny it was like living someone elses life, someone elses dream. i think Harry/Ginny is dead in the water and unless the plan is for him to end up alone i think it will be Harry/Hermione. JKR said the pairings were obvious but she never said they would stay this way. i think they were all trying to live some elses life but now they will get back to how things are supposed to be.

*nods* I agree! I used to think of Ginny that way too. But then, for SOME reason, she turned into this....*pauses*....this... I can't think of a word, but you guys know what I mean right?

I disagree. Ginny has always had very favorable descriptors, especially in books 5 and 6. Out of all the characters we've seen, I think that Ginny and Harry are perhaps the only two that didn't deviate from what I expected: I definitely expected a strong and prideful Harry, and I expected a kind but arrogant Ginny. I did not expect Hermione to break down the moment that Ron looked at another girl and Harry didn't need her help, nor did I expect Ron to jump on Lavender.

I still think that Harry and Hermione will end up together, since they both had confidence issues, and have come to terms with major changes to their lives. All in all, they still make the most sense, and we'll get back to it. Call it a hunch...

As for Ron and Luna, unless Luna comes into the fray directly, I think that Ron will have to be sidelined for that to work (either due to injury, or some other nasty reason). I see the workings there, but we'll have to see how it plays out, since there's much less to work on.

I shipped RL for the fun of it. But it was surprising how suddenly in HBP Luna and Neville went backstage... Just not believeable for me...

I'm a hopeless romantic so that is why I've always shipped H/Hr

as for Ron/Luna, i just always imagine something happens to make Ron mad. like ready to hex someone mad but Luna just finds it funny so she laughs out loud. this would confuse the hell out of Ron but he would be so distracted by her laughing he was no longer mad, then he starts laughing. just all these times she would say these sweet romantic, yet conusing, things which would puzzle him for a minute but then he would smile and finally get it. its just so sweet and cute.

###### i sound like a thirteen year old girl

Awww.. There's nothing bad about that! I'm a thirteen year old girl, and that almost comes into what I thought...

exactly the problem because i am a twenty year old boy. i feel the same way, i just wish i could have said it in a way that wasnt so sappy.

I posted an interesting take on Ginny in the "Is there any hope" thread, page 8. Read if you like.

What I'd like to discuss to continue here is a character comparison between what we know about Hermione and her personality to what we know about Ginny and her personality. There are parallels between characters (not necesarily these two) that seem to be consistent throughout the books, and pertain to plot. Perhaps we'll begin to answer some questions...

I know, I read it. Still, it is confusing how everyone seems to take on a different place...

Ginny is like me. I used to like this guy (he wasn't famous though), and everyone knew it. Then it cooled off, and he liked me too. But we're not together.

So what gives?

...Dunno. I've always found that my relationships are 1 part availability, 1 part interest and 2 parts shared activities. So, in my case, if I were Harry, having Ginny as available, interested in me, and we run into each other a lot (especially quidditch)... I can cetainly say I'd be interested in return.

Now, of course, if I turn that around, Hermione is around almost 24/7, and we do just about everything together, but I'm not so sure she's looking at me in that way... 25% of the equation is missing, so I can't make a move, because my instincts (which, as Harry, I rely on) are telling me to hold off.

Hermione may be very interested in Harry, but Harry was looking at Ron and Hermione together in HBP, and was already not thrilled with it. As long as Harry sees Ron interested in Hermione, and Hermione doesn't pipe up, Harry won't make a move. If Hermione should say something, or show interest to complete the above equation, then Harry will make a move, Ron be damned.

My opinion.

yea thats very interesting, i think thats exactly what's going on...and as i said this before somewhere, Hermione knew Ginny likes Harry and therefor she will never make a move on or even make it seem that she is interested in Harry because one of her good friends likes him and lets not ignore that Hermione is insecure so she would much rather hook Harry up then admit she likes him unless she is sure that Harry likes her but like Warlock said he thinks Ron's interested in her...am i on the right track or did i just get this after everybody else? [SIZE=7]

Hi everyone. I am new to this site, and to the HP phenomenon. I recently started and finished all six books within about 6 weeks. This was mainly because one of my friends had all six books but he was leaving Poland--where I am living and teaching ESL at the moment--so I had to read them really fast.

Let me say that I am also a big sucker for redheads, so if I were Harry, I might go for Ginny too. Especially when you consider that Ginny is a redhead and so was Lily, his mother. Maybe that is what is meant by JK saying that the pairings would be obvious.

However, after reading all the posts on here, I have a stronger feeling for the H/Hr ship (I am also American, so I don't really understand everything about "shipping", but I do know that the ship is supposed to the relationship you support, I think) based on the fact that all the books are so fresh in my mind. I just feel, for some reason, that Harry and Hermione belong together.

Another interesting thing to think about, for me anyway, is the timeline of this story. It should conceivably end in 1997 (the year that JK came up with the idea for the HP books, I believe), so there is the real possibility that she may bring the trio's lives up to date after the second Wizard War--with Harry and Hermione married, and Ron with Luna, I guess.

I support the H/Hr ship, but I just can't see Ron not being with someone, and for JK that means that the current pairings will stay the same. Although, it is possible in the wizarding world for purebloods to inermarry--although the idea of Ginny and Ron married is kinda sick.

Therefore, even though I support H/Hr, I don't see JK changing much as far as these pairings go, unless any of them die, which is entirely possible. Although, I don't want any of them to die.

Too bad we have to wait so long to find out the answers.

One thing that I like about BOTH Ginny and Hermione is the fact that they are so outspoken and are not afraid to show their feelings about things that are most important to them--in this case, Harry.

It seems to me though, that H/Hr just makes more sense on the personal relationship level, as Hermione and Harry have been friends for much longer; and the sense of respect and love they have for each other is so evident, especially from Hermione's side.

Hermione is a passionate person, but she only lets it out in certain situations (look at the GOF, after the first task with the dragons with the way that she cries when Ron and Harry finally reconcile their differences. Hermione runs out of the tent crying tears of joy, because her two best friends are finally speaking to each other again), but like Harry, it takes extreme situations to get her to come out of her shell in those type of situations.

Hermione definitely is not one to keep her opinions to herself though, and I like that about her. She speaks her mind to everyone, even Harry who is the most famous teenage wizard in the wizarding world--one whom it would seem you would not want to contradict or confront because of his stature within the wizarding world--despite the fact that Hermione knew more about why he was famous than Harry did when they first met on the train to Hogwarts.

And they spent many happy sunlit days together = H/G. I was like, You can NOT be serious. Thats why its not serious relationship.

What I think is that JKR wanted R/Hr and H/G to happen (she wants them all to be one big happy Weasley family), so she squeezed it all into the 6th book, that would explain the rush and the sudden character changes. Don't you think?

But, she should know that the way she wrote the books, Harry and Hermione make the much better couple.

JKR has never been as obvious about anything as she has been in HBP. either she has totally lost her writing ability or she has something big planned. the relationships were completely too shallow and meaningless.

Okay, I'm stumped: WHY are there still people wondering about Rowling's writing capabilities? She has a cult following on her works (like *us*) that rivals the largest of any colletcive literary work, including small religeons, and has used some of the deepest symbology I have ever seen *on purpose.*
Her work gained popularity on its own merit, and continues to do so. Her plans for the entire series were complete before she began, and she has stated herself that book 1 was a summary of how the entire thing would go, anyway.

I understand that the book's only been out for a month and a half, but you've got to stop thinking that she screwed up, and start working out what she did. We've got a year and a half at least to figure out her ending before she publishes it; we're not going to be anywhere near the right answer if we underestimate her.
She can lie, and has decieved us with her writing better than David Copperfield has ever done on stage.

There's a good Murphy's Law of War that applies to HBP on many levels (seriously, try applying it throughout the book): "The clever diversion you're ignoring is actually the main attack."

With so many ways to look at what she's written for us in HBP, along with arguably some of the deepest symbolism ever, we have a lot to digest and interpret, because it's likely *all* important.

I didnt say that to suggest she is a bad writer, I used that to say there is something big planned because she has never writen anything as shallow as those relationships were. I totally agree that it was a distraction.

Sorry, DoY:
I'm not referring to you specifically, but it's something of a mission on this forum to bring people around to the idea that Rowling hasn't butchered her characters nor has she forgotten how to write. We're almost past it now, after a month of anger and grief, as well as needless banging of our heads against anvils.

I totally agree!
I mean honestly!
Ginny hasn't really contributed a lot to Harry... unlike all the things that Hermione had done for him...

Plus, Ginny brings out the true Gryffindor in Neville!

HHr- all the same reasons
RL-same they are both "way out there"
Ginny- EXACTLY-
HG&RHr- sexual tension is only L-U-S-T Lust!!!!!!!!!!

Good advice! Though I'd like to say that my confidence in the author's writing skills has dropped a bit with the publication of HBP. The "deep symbolisms" are contradicted by her "anvil sized hints" and supposedly "obvious" plot devices. Let's hope she surprises me again in book 7 so I'm back into thinking that HP is more than a children's fantasy adventure.

On topic: I totally agree with the threadstarter's views except for one minor point. I do not think that Ginny is perfect. Hey, she talks back to her mother and brothers and there's nothing cute about that. I don't call that being spunky or tough. She's downright RUde and bossy that she won't let anyone win an arument with her. And the way she's collecting boyfriends is nothing to admire. Yeah, that's a popular girl's prerogative but just see the way she treats these boyfriends. She breaks up with them over some petty disagreements which gives me reason to think that she's not really serious about them in the first place. Okay, she did it to get Harry's attention but boy, she sure enjoyed snogging her boyfriends. She didn't have to go that far to catch Harry but she did. And talent wise, she's not perfect either. Her one "good" spell is the bat bogey hex. Big deal! How come she never used it in combat situations? Yeah, it's only good for hexing annoying boys like Draco and Zacharias.

Threadstarter here! Lol, couldn't resist.

If I have in any way tried to put down JK's wroting capabilities, I didn't mean to. All I'm saying is that I disagreed with the way JKR put forward the shippy scenes. Didn't mean to offend anyone.

Anyway, JK must be a phenomena to make the Potter books so popular...

Why I ship H/Hr:
*Because they would be much cuter together than R/Hr
*Because the Hero always gets the girl.
*Because Ginny can be with Draco
*Because Pumpkin Pie tastes better than Heron
*Because it would take to long to write down all reasons

And I don't ship Ron/Luna so..

I thought through all of the books that Harry and Hermione would get together. I read a lot of romance novels, so I usually immediately put a "couple" together when I read a book, ANY book. And H/Hr were mine.

Things that helped reinforce it:

Harry wanting to find Hermione in PS, despite not really knowing her well.
The hug in CoS.
Harry spending time with petrified Hermione. (Where WAS Ron?)
The time-turner episode in PoA.
Hermione sticking by Harry in GoF, while Ron sulked.
Hermione getting so upset because Harry was mad and avoiding everyone in OoTP. (She didn't get nearly so upset when Ron was avoiding them in GoF.)

They immediately had the friendship thing going for them, and Hermione seemed WAY better for Harry than Ron did, just as a friend. Ron was judgemental, lazy, and rude. And, frankly, didn't grow up too much and change as time went on, in my opinion. And I can't imagine Hermione putting up with Ron for the long term. I personally think Hermione was settling for Ron; that she thought she wasn't enough for Harry, and I think Harry was staying away from taking his relationship with Hermione from "friends" to "more" out of consideration for Ron. Although, I don't think Ron wouldn't have done the same if he knew Harry wanted Hermione.

Harry and Hermione had a very close friendship - they could almost finish each other sentences, and could figure out what the other was thinking with just a look or a couple of words. Despite Harry thinking that Ron was "his best friend", it was really Hermione. And who better to spend your life with than your best friend?

I was thinking while reading HBP that the whole thing with Harry and Ginny was going to end up being a love potion, or spell or something, because it seemed kind of ominous that when he got around her he felt like a "monster" or "beast" was inside him (I don't remember the exact words). I was fully expecting that something sinister was going on with that, but that was something that was never resolved in the books, in my opinion.

And I never really took to Ginny - and I'm not really sure why. She always came across to me as way more immature than the Trio, even with her experiences with the CoS. She seemed a bit pushy and rude, even with her friends.

Honestly, if I was going to pick someone other than Hermione for Harry, it would probably be Luna. He seemed to have had more meaningful conversations with her than Ginny.

Anyway, these are my opinions, and I'm hoping to hear more from the rest of you about yours!