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Liadan
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I'm quite happy now... maybe I won't return the book after all. Will use it for future reference for my h/hr fic later (cackle)...

Favorite moments:

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"Same as usual," said Harry, as Hermione perched herself on the edge of his bed, "they didn't talk to me much, but I like it better that way. How're you, Hermione?"

"Oh, I'm fine," said Hermione, who was scrutinizing Harry as though he was sickening for something.


smile.gif

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"Something wrong, Hermione?"

She was watching him as though expecting strange symptoms to manifest themselves at any moment. She rearranged her features hastily in an unconvincing smile.

"No, of course not!"


tongue.gif

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"Oh well, never mind that now!" said Hermione hastily. "Harry, oh, Harry..."

She sat down on the edge of his bed again.

"...well, we thought it might be something like this...Oh, Harry..." She stared at him, then whispered, "Were you scared?"

"Not as much as I was," said Harry.


It's just so sweet here...(sigh)

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"Yes, when you were telling us what it's like to face Voldemort... you said it was just you and your brains and your guts...That it really comes down to being brave and quick-thinking?"

Harry was so disarmed that she had thought his words as well worth memorizing as The Standard Book of Spells that he did not argue.


heart.gif biggrin.gif heart.gif she said Voldie's name quite unflinchingly there. (think) Anyone knows if Ginny ever said 'his' name...?

Then...everything just went downhill (for me) with Harry and Hermione...

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...Bending low so that only Harry could hear her, she hissed, "You should be expelled for that. I'd never have believed it of you, Harry!"

"Hark who's talking?" he whispered back. "Confunded anyone lately?"


I think this part is funny just because both of them tried so desperately to help out Ron and so both breaking the school rules in the process.

The unbreakable vow chapter, which is 15, is also very funny. Even though it's Ron and Hermione getting angry with each other, when Harry's with her in the library, Hermione complained about Ron for a little before going into warning him about Vane's plan slipping him love potion the rest of the way back to common room and he getting bombarded with chocolate and gillywater by Vane.

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"...and they all seem to have bought Fred and George's love potions, which I'm afraid to say probably work---"

"Why didn't you confiscate them then?" demanded Harry.


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"You know a lot about it."

Hermione gave him the kind of nasty look she had just given his copy of Advanced Potion-Making.

"It was all on the back of the bottles they showed Ginny and me in the summer," she said coldly. "I don't go around putting potions in people's drinks...or pretending to, either, which is just as bad..."


That's the best part of all. Hermione and her...I don't know, natural knack of spotting bad things. And what about that Ginny part, too?


I was a quite angry though, when coming to the part, same chapter, where Harry said quite testily about Hermione and McLaggen. But, haha, he spotted her and recognized her and dragged Luna with him to her!

I feel sorry for Hermione though when she said:

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"Quidditch!" said Hermione angrily. "Is that all boys care about? Cormac hasn't asked me one single question about myself, no, I've just been treated to..."


Poor girl.

But this cheered me up the most.

Chapter seventeen, Sluggish Memory.

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"I've got something for you, Harry," said Hermione, neither looking at Ron nor giving any sign that she had heard him.

...

"Great," said Harry, unrolling it at once to discover that his next lesson with Dumbledore was scheduled for the following night. "I've got loads to tell him --- and you. Let's sit down---"

But at that moment there was a loud squeal of "Won-Won!" and Lavender Brown came hurtling out of nowhere and flung herself into Ron's arms. Several onlookers sniggered; Hermione gave a tinkling and said, "There's a table over here...Coming, Ginny?"

"No, thanks, I said I'd meet Dean," said Ginny, though Harry could not help noticing that she did not sound very enthusiastic.


The conversation that goes on between the two is similar to the one in the library. Understanding of each other there to predict one another's thought... Yes, I'm quite happy...

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"The truth is that you don't think a girl would have been clever enough!" said Hermione angrily.

"How can I have hung round with you for five years and not think girls are clever?" said Harry, stung by this.


Understanding and Acceptance of two different people...

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...at that moment they understood each other perfectly, and that when he told her what he was going to do now, she would...accept his decision, because she would not have expected anything less of him.


and

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"I'm not coming back even if it does reopen," said Harry.

Ron gaped at him, but Hermione said sadly, "I knew you were going to say that. But then what will you do?"

...

"No---" said Harry quickly; he had not counted on this, he had meant them to understand that he was undertaking this most dangerous journey alone.

"You said to us once before," said Hermione quiely, "that there was time to turn back if we wanted to. We've had time, haven't we?"


Even though it won't be H/Hr in the end. I will be content with their unbreakable friendship, as long as it goes in the direction it's supposed to... smile.gif
ChryseisEmerick
QUOTE(TofuGal @ Jul 16 2005, 09:57 PM)

I think in one of the books it was mentioned that treacle tart is Harry's favorite dessert...(Is far, far away from her books and cannot check)
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yes. there is that. treacle tart is one of harry;s favorite desserts. he smells a broomstick handle because he loves to fly. as for the flowery scent...hate (and i mean really HATE) to break it to you all, but later in the book, it mentions ginny's flower scent. i know. i wish i had never noticed, but it was ginny who he smelled. its all just a teeny bit of attraction, though. i mean, it not like true love or anything. i have to say, i wasn't devastated when these ships revealed themselves, but i was thoroughly disappointed. all i can hope for is ron and hermione DO get together, and then somone (hermione) realizes she doesnt like ron in that way and they begin to have relationship problems and maybe harry walks in on them having a row where ron is accusing her of liking someone else and mentioning harry and hermione admits it or something. phew! i have millions of possible ideas in my head. i am really hoping this ginny/harry thing doesnt work out. i agree with everyone on one thing, though, and thats jo throwing in these relationships too suddenly. *sigh* i mean, i read the 6th book in 13 hours and 51 minutes, and there were just so many devastations (what with dumbledores death and the unwanted ships and the horrible cliffhanger end and hermione's strange behavior i never would have suspected from her) that i was VERY depressed. i am reading it again (more slowly this time) so i can get all the facts. my depression also hightened as i had no computer at the time, so i couldnt come here. that is why i have written so much. because i have already waited a day without this website, which nearly killed me.

~Chrys
Polydeukes
QUOTE(Harry_n_Hermione_4ever)
Harry, also says that if Ron and Hermione do get together he doesn't know how to react. Instead of thinking of his feelings about being either happy or jealous of them, he looks at two negative points. He doesn't realize it, but he doesn't want Ron and Hermione to get together romantically.


Also, notice throughout the whole book, and indeed all the books, Harry still hasn't actually considered Hermione in a romantic way. He still hasn't willingly thought about her looks, personality, whatever. She is the last of the girls he hasn't thought to himself about. In HBP, he openly thinks about Ginny's good-looks and states clearly to Luna that they are only friends.

Why hasn't JKR made Harry think about what he feels for Hermione; whether he likes her as a friend or more? This question popped up after we all analysed OotP and now I am somewhat pleasantly happy to ask (after the last couple of days of confusion) again after HBP. We simply don't know for sure either way, not even R/Hr and H/G shippers can say: "Harry has said that he doesn't think of Hermione in that way". He hasn't.

What he has said in HBP, though, is what many people in this thread have picked up on. All those mentions of Hermione to Dumbledore, Mrs Weasley and Slughorn etc. Those compliments to her. Everything. We actually are peering into his thoughts of Hermione, and he is stating what he thinks of her to other people. The problem is that he doesn't realise what he's doing.

JKR simply can't end Book 7 without Harry really delving into his feelings for Hermione, as he has done for the other girls and what it seems Ron has done with his own feelings for Hermione. Dodging this would be like JKR dodging a heat-seeking missile.

I have faith yet.


P.
Nora
QUOTE(Polydeukes @ Jul 18 2005, 06:00 AM)
What he has said in HBP, though, is what many people in this thread have picked up on. All those mentions of Hermione to Dumbledore, Mrs Weasley and Slughorn etc. Those compliments to her. Everything. We actually are peering into his thoughts of Hermione, and he is stating what he thinks of her to other people. The problem is that he doesn't realise what he's doing.

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WORD! Harry constantly talking about hermione to other people actually reminded me of this:

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"Hermy-own-ninny talks about you very often," said Krum, looking suspiciously at Harry.


Dude, anyone who's ever been in love (without realizing it) knows that talking or thinking about someone all the time is a red neon flash sign of "I'M IN LOVE".
AnndeeGranger
QUOTE(Nora @ Jul 17 2005, 10:05 PM)
WORD! Harry constantly talking about hermione to other people actually reminded me of this:
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If I remember correctly Harry only thinks of Ginny when she's around or being talked about...Hermione on the other hand, she creeps into his subconscious, repeatedly.
aybuke
QUOTE(Joie @ Jul 16 2005, 11:34 PM)
My Fave part in HBP would be: (page 219)
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Ron is afraid of their relationship. LALALALALA
Ellipses
QUOTE(Harry_n_Hermione_4ever @ Jul 18 2005, 10:52 AM)
That is exactly what I think too. Hermione's choosing between what's right and what is easy, and she chooses easy. ,,,


In the beginning, though, Hermione is quite normal, and at the end of HBP, I think she has sorted out her feelings and realized her and Ron will just not work. She does cry on Ron's shoulder, but that's because Harry is with Ginny. But in the end, she becomes the caring Hermione she was before all the confusion.


She's never had much self-esteem, looking at things she's said in the past (ie. when she tells Harry to mention to Cho how ugly he thinks she is) and her shock about Harry telling Slughorn about her. So maybe since Harry's supposed to have the pick of the crop (so to speak) now, she doesn't feel as if she stands a chance against any of the other girls and that's what makes her like, or maybe force herself to like, Ron.

As for the end of the book, I felt somewhat relieved to have the old Hermione back. It was as if Harry hadn't seen her in a good a light as he did during the beginning of the book. The fact that she cries on Ron's shoulder could be construed for R/Hr, or you can remember that they are FRIENDS, above all and for the longest amount of time. So it may not mean anything bad for H/Hr. This is the same way I feel about the PoA movie cry.

QUOTE(Polydeukes @ Jul 18 2005, 04:00 PM)
Why hasn't JKR made Harry think about what he feels for Hermione; whether he likes her as a friend or more?


Well, JKR's never obvious is she? If he started finding Hermione attractive and all that (this beauty stuff he should eventually mature from...I hope, cos he's a bit shallow), then she couldn't save her toy surprise for the final installment smile.gif
Saffron May
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She does cry on Ron's shoulder, but that's because Harry is with Ginny.


Oh, so not because Albus Dumbledore is dead, then? She's crying about her OMGUNREQUITEDLOVE!111 for Harry at the funeral of the Headmaster? Somehow I highly doubt that.
drunkendreams
QUOTE(Saffron May @ Jul 18 2005, 07:46 AM)

Oh, so not because Albus Dumbledore is dead, then? She's crying about her OMGUNREQUITEDLOVE!111 for Harry at the funeral of the Headmaster? Somehow I highly doubt that.
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I think what the person meant is that Harry was not there to comfort her too.If Harry wasn't with Ginny, he will be with Ron comforting Hermione.
That's my interpretation of what she said. ( I may be wrong).
myrhlyn
Just came across this one:

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Hermione gave his arm a hard pinch.
"Ouch!"
"Shh! Look! He's in there!" she breathed in Harry's ear.
-- page 124, Scholastic version


Now, why would she "breathe" into his ear instead of whisper? At any rate, I love the proximity of it. thumbup.gif

WolfShadows
Keep digging in the book, i think that if we look at the details, we will find more clues to the question "WHY" smile.gif
rodrigo
QUOTE(drunkendreams @ Jul 18 2005, 08:50 AM)

I think what the person meant is that Harry was not there to comfort her too.If Harry wasn't with Ginny, he will be with Ron comforting Hermione.
That's my interpretation of what she said. ( I may be wrong).
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i agree with your interpretation.
Harry was breaking up with Ginny, he had to deal with that first.
Hermione was struck with grief of the future of Hogwarts,Dumbledore that meant the world to them.
and Ron was free so she went to him.
i donīt see it strange, she needed somebody she caread about.
Hermoine saw that Harry was busy so he went for ron insted.
it is not excatly like they where snogging there, he held her as she cried.
Nobody
There we go people..this is what I like to see. THINKING things thru, not accepting what we're told. Looking with our own eyes and not simply our feelings.

I'll be honest, here for the past couple of days this site has pissed me off to no end with the way everyone has been acting. The moping around and pouting..come on we're the little ship who could.

We believe in things that others put down, we dont believe in trees we believe in love. The Harry and Hermione things are all over this book, small and at first not important but look back at the other 5 books and you see what they are and truly what the mean.

We can take the laughter at our way of thinking, the name calling but we can't take the self pity.

Keep it going people, your finding the things in there than mean the most.

im Nobody
Mary Jane
Y'all just done get it. I guess de'nile is more than a river.
VGrl88HHr
Well said, Nobody, well said biggrin.gif

Let's see if there's another good moment ... ::goes digging::
Harry n Hermione 4ever
QUOTE(drunkendreams @ Jul 18 2005, 08:50 AM)

I think what the person meant is that Harry was not there to comfort her too.If Harry wasn't with Ginny, he will be with Ron comforting Hermione.
That's my interpretation of what she said. ( I may be wrong).
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Errr sorry, yes that's what I meant tongue.gif. She wasn't crying because of Harry she was crying for Dumbledore, but Harry didn't comfort her because he was with Ginny. LOL sorry bout that mixup.
BlueAngel79
QUOTE(pg 105)
He spent most of his days playing two-a-side Quidditch in the Weasley's orchard ( He and Hermione against Ron and Ginny; Hermione was dreadful and Ginny good, so they were reasonably well matched) and his evenings eating triple helpings of everything Mrs. Weasley put in front of him.


If Quidditch still represents the game of love or dating then this pretty much forshadowed the rest of book in terms of romance. Harry and Ginny were, of course doing well, having *screams* found each other while Ron and Hermione pretty much messed up in that department. What's interesting though is how the author explained the set-up ( H/Hr against the Weasleys ), having one good and bad player in each team to balance it out. Is this an attempt to explain perhaps the final pairing of the series? I don't mean of course R/G! But the idea that if there's anyone between H/Hr, it is going to be Harry that will initiate a closer relationship?

Wishful thinking, maybe. My mind's still reeling from reading HBP so please bear with me.
Shikamaru
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Hermoine saw that Harry was busy so he went for ron insted.


Oh, come on. That's not very convincing. You expect people to believe Hermione thought "Oh no I'm gonna cry. Where's Harry. Oh no he's busy. Oh well, here's Ron".

She was just sad at the funeral. She wanted to cry, so she did. All it means is that she's more comfortable with Ron than she was say, a few years ago, and that they've both matured a bit. Cause in PoA when Hermione was crying and apologizing to Ron, he was akwardly patting her head or something, but in HBP they just take it like adults. Kind of nice actually.
VGrl88HHr
QUOTE(BlueAngel79 @ Jul 19 2005, 12:31 AM)
Wishful thinking, maybe. My mind's still reeling from reading HBP so please bear with me.
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If this theory stands to be true, that would be good. I like this line from that part of the book ...

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... Hermione was dreadful and Ginny good, so they were reasonably well matched ...


If your theory was true, then this line would've just said that Harry and Hermione were well matched in terms of relationships. I know I sound confusing, but that's me.
VGrl88HHr
QUOTE(Shikamaru @ Jul 19 2005, 12:36 AM)
All it means is that she's more comfortable with Ron than she was say, a few years ago, and that they've both matured a bit. Cause in PoA when Hermione was crying and apologizing to Ron, he was akwardly patting her head or something, but in HBP they just take it like adults. Kind of nice actually.
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I agree that it was actually nice for Ron to be comforting Hermione in the funeral. To me, that meant that Ron and Hermione were comfortable around each other as friends - comfortable enough to have Ron patting Hermione's head and comforting her without the least bit of embarrassment.
Liadan
I found some more favorite quotes smile.gif

Harry who seems to always think of the others first, and Hermione who thinks of him...

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"It could have bee meant for loads of people," said Harry.  "Dumbledore-- the Death Eaters would love to get rid of him, he must be one of their top targets.  Or Slughorn-- Dumbledore reckons Voldemort really wanted him and they can't be pleased that he's sided with Dumbledore.  Or--"

"Or you," said Hermione, looking troubled.

Chpt12, pg 256, US Edition.


When it comes to serious thinking and arguements, Hermione's thought always matters...
And he's quite acutely aware how Ron and Lavender business really upset Hermione...

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Harry said nothing.  It had already occurred to him that this would be the most likely objection to his new evidence; he could hear Hermione now: Obviously, Harry, he was pretending to offer help so he could trick Malfoy into telling him what he's doing...

This was pure imagination, however, as he had had no opportunit to tell Hermione what he had overheard.  She had disaappeared from Slughorn's party before he returned to it, or so he had been informed by an irate McLaggen, and she had already gone to bed by the time he returned to the common room.  ...he had barely had time to wish her a happy Chrismas and to tell her that he had some very important news when they got back from the holidays.  He was not entirely sure that she had heard him, though; Ron and Lavender had been saying a thoroughly nonverbal good-bye just behind him at the time.

Chpt 16, pg 329, US edition


And of course, as always, he really knows how she would react and what she would say...

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...When he had finished, Hermione sat in thought for a moment and then said, "Don't you think---"

"---he was pretending to offer help so that he could trick Malfoy into telling him what he's doing?"

"Well, yes," said Hermione.

Chpt 17, pg 352, US edition


Same goes with Hermione. Let's finish our thoughts...

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"I'll tell you in a minute," said Harry.  "Look, Hermione, can't you---?"

"No, I can't," she said flatly.  "So, don't even ask."

"I thought maybe, you know, over Christmas---"

"It was the Fat Lady who drank a vat of five-hundred-year-old wine, Harry, not me.  So what was this important news you wanted to tell me?"

Chpt 17, pg 352, US edition


Harry, I think you better take Hermione's opinion seriously... You know, you do need her...

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"Horcruxes...Horcruxes...I've never even heard of them...."

You haven't?" Harry was disappointed; he had hoped that Hermione might have been able to give him a clue as to what Horcruxes were.

"They must be really advanced Dark Magic, or why would Voldemort have wanted to know about them? ...Harry, you'll have to be very careful about how you approach Slughorn, think out a strategy..."

"Ron reckons I should just hang back after Potions this afternoon...."

"Oh, well, if Won-Won thinks that, you'd better do it," she said, flaring up at once.  "After all, when has Won-Won's judgement ever been faulty?"

"Hermione, can't you---?"

"No! " she said angrily, and stormed away, leaving Harry alone and ankle-deep in snow.

Chpt 18, pg 373-4, US edition


Defending Harry...good girl!

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"It must 've looked funny," said Ron reasonably.

"It didn't look funny at all!" said Hermione hotly.  "It looked terrible and if Coote and Peakes hadn't caught Harry he could have been very badly hurt!"

Chpt 20, pg 424, US edition.
No_braine
"The truth is that you don't think a girl would have been clever enough!" said Hermione angrily.

"How can I have hung round with you for five years and not think girls are clever?" said Harry, stung by this.

Does anyone else get the impression that Hermione is testy because she feels she is underappreciated by both Ron and Harry? Maybe she was so vicious in this book because she felt left out (both Harry and Ron found another girl)

"Ron reckons I should just hang back after Potions this afternoon...."

"Oh, well, if Won-Won thinks that, you'd better do it," she said, flaring up at once. "After all, when has Won-Won's judgement ever been faulty?"

"Hermione, can't you---?"

"No! " she said angrily, and stormed away, leaving Harry alone and ankle-deep in snow.

She gets angry after Harry gives credit to Ron, forcibly reminding us all about a certain argument earlier in the books where she said " Oh I KNEW you would side with Ron!" She feels very left out. ( I think that argument was over Scabbers in book 3)

And didn't Harry just leave Ron and Hermione for the Slug club and end up not coming back for the whole train ride up to Hogwarts? Granted, prefect duties, but they still had time to find Neville and Luna's cabin. Maybe Hermione was also put off by this too.

Then Harry gets Snape's potion book, thus making Hermione's job as potions assistant totally non-existant....

Seems like Hermione is suffering from lack of appreciation this whole book, and is therefore acting like a b!0tch

And, on another note- She told Harry in OotP that Ginny was over him, almost like saying 'No Harry don't even try to go there'.(knowing Ginny still liked Harry)Hmm..
Lissy
That's true. Why would Hermione tell Harry that Ginny was over him, while according to Ginny coaching Ginny on how to get Harry? It is kind of like when Hermione coached Harry on how to get Cho, but always a little late. It is almost like Hermione is afraid that Harry doesn't need her any more but Ron still might. But as we saw Harry needs Hermione, now, more than ever. Many people said that Harry needed to have Hermione taken away before Harry would realize just how much he needs her. Well, Hermione took herself away. Harry had Dumbledore, and I bet Hermione was badly hurt that Harry never invited her to come along, and then he had Ginny. What did he need her for anymore? Badly bruised, she latched on to the one she knew would not turn her away -- but Won Won was off snogging Lavender. Poor Hermione.

On Dark Angel they decided to throw rocks in the path of true love because they didn't want Max & Logan to get together to easily. They threw in Alec and Asha and put a virus in Max that would kill Logan in 24 hours if they touched skin to skin. ("You didn't kiss him, did you." Alec after Logan first gets the virus.) No matter what the writers threw at them, at the end, the very last thing you see it Max and Logan with their gloved hands tightly clasped together as the flag is being raised.

It will be intereesting to see what happens when it is down to just the three of them.
I Will Save You Harry
I don't know if these have already been said:

"That gives you equal status with prefects!" cried Hermione happily. "You can use our special bathroom now and everything!"

Hmmmm....why so happy Hermione? Going to pull a Myrtle? *smirk* hehe!

He reflected uncomfortably that Hermione would have suggested he say something consoling about Sirius to her, that it hadn't been her fault at all, but he couldn't bring himself to do it."

Once again....thinking of Hermione!! happy.gif

What happened to his hand?" gasped Hermione....[snip]... "His hand was like that when I saw him over the summer," Harry whispered to Hermione.

Oh yeah....there's that closeness again!

"You're not taking Care of Magical Creatures are you?" Ron shook his head. "And you're not either, are you?" Harry shook his head too. "And Hermione," said Ron, "She's not, is she?" Harry shook his head again.

Harry knows what Hermione's going to do and he supposedly doesn't fancy her.....but Ron does.....so why doesn't he know and Harry does?

"Well, " she said uncertainly, "I don't know....It would be like Malfoy to make himself seem more important than he is...but that's a big lie to tell...." "Exactly," said Harry.

That's the Hermione I know!

Hermione's remonstration was drowned by a loud giggle; Lavender Brown had apparently found Ron's remark highly amusing. She continued to laugh as she passed them glancing back at Ron over her shoulder. Ron looked rather pleased with himself.

So okay....Lavender's just shown that she fancies Ron, sorta. So why isn't Hermione huffing at this?? *coughAmortentia!cough*

Harry too had recognized the slow-bubbling, mudlike substance in the second cauldron, but did not resent Hermione getting the credit for answering the question. She, after all, was the one who had succeeded in making it, back in their second year.

Awwww.....I bet you Ron might have been a little pissed though.

He did not usually lie in bed reading his textbooks; That sort of behavior, as Ron rightly said, was indecent in anybody except Hermione, who was smiply weird that way.

Yes...talk so highly of Hermione, Ron. Did you notice that Harry was like Hermione most of this book sorta...I mean his theory is actually right....*gasp*...^_-

animagus-steph
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Harry had Dumbledore, and I bet Hermione was badly hurt that Harry never invited her to come along, and then he had Ginny.



Sorry, but the only things Mione was hurt about in this book was Ron/Lavender and the fact that Harry was, in essence, cheating with the HBP. Hermione's a big enough girl to realize if the Headmaster wanted her there, he would have asked her there.
FROZENIRON
QUOTE(No_braine @ Jul 19 2005, 04:11 AM)

And didn't Harry just leave Ron and Hermione for the Slug club and end up not coming back for the whole train ride up to Hogwarts? Granted, prefect duties, but they still had time to find Neville and Luna's cabin. Maybe Hermione was also put off by this too.

Then Harry gets Snape's potion book, thus making Hermione's job as potions assistant totally non-existant....

Seems like Hermione is suffering from lack of appreciation this whole book, and is therefore acting like a b!0tch

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From Hermione POV:
Harry with his fangirls, Ron aggressive and "fraternising with the enemy Lavender". She is at one point nearly back to the beginning of book one.
No wonder Ron gets a bit in her line of fire.
And this year she is home at xmas, because she needs a rest.
Lissy
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Harry had Dumbledore, and I bet Hermione was badly hurt that Harry never invited her to come along, and then he had Ginny.

Hermione adores Dumbledore, and to be allowed to actually learn from him directly, one on one...Hermione was jealous that Harry was getting something that she would all but give her right arm for. You have never been jealous that somebody else is given something you dearly wanted right in front of you? If you haven't, then you are better than the rest of us. Add to that, that Harry had the Great Dumbledore now, what did he need her for -- I think she was very hurt and angry that Harry didn't appear to need her around anymore. Then good old Ron, who before she could always count on to need her for his homework if nothing else, is off snogging Lavender, a girl Hermione looks down her nose at. Harry had his abandonment issues on the train, Hermione had them at school. Interesting how Ron got the brunt of her anger and frustration, isn't it? We have seen Hermione steaming mad at both boys before, and always Ron gets the bulk of it, whether it is deserved or not, and Hermione is far more considerate of Harry - even when she is mad at him. I can't see Hermione attacking Harry with birds like she did Ron. Hermione has always been softer and more feminine around Harry than she is with Ron, more attuned to his feelings and emotions. With Ron, she is far more aggressive. Even in HBP, Harry and Hermione communicate in half sentences because they know what the other one is saying, while with Ron, she acts like Ron needs a sledge hammer to get it. I think she likes both boys, but feels that Harry is moving away from her so is clinging to Ron. The problem is that Harry feels like Hermione has moved away from him, so he could have turned to Ginny because she is safe, reliable and has never left no matter how many times he ignored her or kicked her to the curb -- rather like how Hermione had viewed Ron before Lavender. I think Hermione was feeling very shut out by both her best friends, so as always, she took it out on Ron.
PhoenixRaven
WOW! After reading this discussion forum I have completely reopened my mind to H/HR again. I was sooooo mad with the book, but thanks for putting everything in perspective.

I truly love this site, so many intellectual ppl who are all hoping for the same goal.

So let us not give up! thumbup.gif

Nora
Welcome to Portkey, PhoenixRaven! *waves*
TheBoyWhoShippedHHR
QUOTE(No_braine @ Jul 18 2005, 07:11 PM)
She gets angry after Harry gives credit to Ron, forcibly reminding us all about a certain argument earlier in the books where she said " Oh I KNEW you would side with Ron!" She feels very left out. ( I think that argument was over Scabbers in book 3)

There was also one in HBP, regarding Fleur I believe. Does anybody remember this? I believe it was in the first few chapters before leaving for Hogwarts.


PhoenixRaven thumbup.gif See! There is reason to have hope!!
Harry n Hermione 4ever
Adding a quote, sorry if it's been mentioned already. I totally missed this in the book. I dunno if I was just ignoring it or if I was just so angry about the book itself. In my opinion, Hermione is back officially from this part:

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Hermione ran to Harry and hugged him; Lupin moved fowards too, looking anxious.

'Are you all right, Harry?"
"I'm fine...how's Bill?"

Nobody answered. Harry looked over Hermione's shoulder

Page 571-572 - HBP UK Version

This quote has made me go all weird inside again. The same feeling I get for all H/Hr moments. Therefore: SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

That made my day. Seriously.
Feldspar
Oh, remember the parts in the beginning of the book wherein Harry often remembers Hermione over Ron? *grins stupidly*

Okay, I don't have my book right now and I'm still too upset to touch it again since the time I've finished reading it. So, just bear with me. blush.gif


p.s. Well, what made me more dissapointed about the shippy side of HBP is that JKr suddenly drops H/Hr hints then suddenly a whole new twist happens.

*frowns*

hmm... perhaps that makes me more impressed with her.
Harry n Hermione 4ever
QUOTE(Feldspar @ Jul 20 2005, 05:00 AM)
Oh, remember the parts in the beginning of the book wherein Harry often remembers Hermione over Ron? *grins stupidly*
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Yeah, he does remember Hermione over Ron...and I love your username...haha Feldspar...it's pink...i love that
Mira
I think what is important in this book is Harry is starting to think of Hermione in a romantic light. Why else would he worry about if Ron and Hermione get together? Fear of being left out sure, but I think there is more to it. Perhaps Harry has held back all this time because he didn't want to stand in the way of R/Hr?

Or maybe R/Hr and Ginny are just one more huge interuption in H/Hr? From Ron's reaction to Harry and Hermione a couple of times, maybe he suspects something between them?

I think we have to go back to the famous trio hug in the movie POA... Hermione hugged Ron.. He didn't give much comfort.. Hermione was left calling Ron.... Hiowever Harry at the same time was hugging Hermione.. Later the hugs were mutural..

I don't think the ships are set by a long shot yet.. Keeping fingers and toes crossed!

Just one more point.. So what if the flower smell reminded Harry of the Burrow.. I think Harry is confused... Except for the first time when George, Fred, and Ron rescued him from the Dursleys.. Everytime Harry has been there, so has Hermione.. So what he thinks reminds him of Ginny might actually be Hermione!~
rudytuttie25
All of your views make sense to me, but i can't help still wondering if Hermione does have or is starting to have feelings for Harry, why was she helping Ginny get closer to him. I am talking about Hermione telling Ginny to become more involved with other people so that Harry will notice her more?

Just a question that I had... blush.gif
silentreverie
QUOTE(Nora @ Jul 18 2005, 06:05 AM)
Dude, anyone who's ever been in love (without realizing it) knows that talking or thinking about someone all the time is a red neon flash sign of "I'M IN LOVE".
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I know this is just a book and these are just characters. However, this scenario is entirely realistic. The very same thing happened to me, and I was about the same age as Harry and Hermione. I had fallen in love with my best guy friend. But because we were such good friends (and because I had never stopped and looked at him in that way) I denied it. I even tried to hook him up with one of my other best friends---happily! People (including my own parents and relatives!) tried to clue me in, but I wasn't hearing it. Then one day, it hit me like a ton of bricks.

Real love at that age is rare, but it does happen. I'm waiting for Harry to have his ephiphany.
ivoryrose
I know this is totally off subject. I was wondering about the connection between a person and his/her patronus. Tonks's patronus changed to a wolf after she starting loving Remus. I think that scene with Harry and Snape confirms that. So I was wondering if a patronus is a symbol of love/ protection. Another example is Harry's patronus being a stag (father's love and protection for his son). I read an essay that Hermione's patronus (an otter) indicates that she would protect Harry because the otter is known for killing all types of snakes. I think the Hermione's patronus might be a reflection of Harry himself instead of Hermione. Harry has been fighting the heir of Slytherin (symbol:snake) I think that Hermione's patronus might indicate her feelings more than I realized. I just assumed that the patronus indicated a person's character but Rowling has shown us that a patronus can also take the form of an individual's lover/protector. I could be totally off but tell me what you think. Ivoryrose.
FieryFalcon
I don't think we've ever seen a patronus from Ron or Ginny have we? I can't remember offhand. I do recall seeing an essay on how the stag and the otter are very well matched though.
ivoryrose
Yeah, I noticed that also. I was thinking that if Ginny gets stag patronus I will throw the book 7 across the room but then I thought that the stag patronus wouldn't indicate Harry. Stag is the reflection of James Potter's choices and character. I would be interested in knowing Ginny's patronus. And Ron's patronus for that matter.
Harry n Hermione 4ever
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Hermione had a Harry shaped patronus tongue.gif. But no, her is an otter. Which is cute. Otter's are playful and graceful too.
coolcat
LOL. After HBP,I was gonna Scream.Literally. I ALMOST lost faith.Iwas totally thinking.You guys are sooooo right.There were tons of Hr/H moments.
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Hermione looked at him with a radient face"Did you really tell himI'm the best in the year?Oh Harry!"
HermionePotter15
omg...you guys....*hugs everyone* Today I think was the worst day ever...after reading The Interiew...you know...I cried so much!

But now..after reading all these moments!! *sigh* I Love HARMONY SO MUCH!!

Keep faith...!

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Harry n Hermione 4ever
QUOTE(HermionePotter15 @ Jul 20 2005, 09:05 PM)
omg...you guys....*hugs everyone* Today I think was the worst day ever...after reading The Interiew...you know...I cried so much!

But now..after reading all these moments!! *sigh* I Love HARMONY SO MUCH!!

Keep faith...!

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I cried so much reading the interview as well. First of all, my only hope of H/Hr happening in canon is if JKR was lying and turns everything around like she has done in her books before. Then i'd fly to her house, apologize, and worship the ground she walks on. But for now. H/Hr has officially sunk in canon. But I still believe in H/Hr more than ever.

HARRY AND HERMIONE FOREVER.
lady_of_hearts
Hello there, everyone. I am a new member, but I confess that I have been attending Portkey Forums for a very long while now. I cannot tell you how relieving it is when you're feeling down about the prospects of your ship (I personally, have been a H/Hr shipper from Day 1 and am proud of it), that you can come to a place like Portkey and feel built up again.
Here, you find so many that share your views and thoughts, and who still have great faith in their ship. So, first and foremost, I appreciate everyone here sharing all their thoughts and arguments in support of H/Hr, because it's really, really, encouraging to H/Hr shippers everywhere!

I am so overwhelmed by all the theories and arguments in defense of H/Hr here that I have read, and it has given me such a power boost of renewed H/Hr faith! Thanks everyone. I still haven't allowed myself to give up on H/Hr yet, because we haven't reached the end of the road, and as we ALL know, JKR has a way of making us wait and wait for something, always "saving the best for last."

My personal opinion is that JKR knows what she's doing, and while many would cry that this statement then means that she's been leading us all into believing in R/Hr, I think quite differently. I mean, come on! When has JKR ever done anything predictable?! That is one of my strongest defenses of my ship. R/Hr and H/G are simply too predictable and "fairy-tale ending" to be right.

But one of my other strongest defenses of H/Hr are a few select quotes from the book and a few select events, and I'll explain each as I go:

1st-- The end of the Sorcerer's Stone. JKR took this specific moment to highlight the general partnership between H/Hr in a special way. She stuck them right together, without Ron, to show us something. I like to call it foreshadowing. She right then showed us something about their partnership and working in tandem together. There's a reason for that...JKR has a reason for everything she does, and I mean everything. We shouldn't ever forget that.

2nd-- Prisoner of Azkaban. Their entire role of saving Sirius an Buckbeak together without Ron is something that I think is one of the most priceless things we have going for our ship. I can't even summarize it, but I know you all know. There was a reason for them working together...JKR could have included Ron! Why didn't she? She's chosen to show Harry and Hermione working together for some reason.

3rd--- Goblet of Fire. Once more, while Ron is on the outs, Harry and Hermione work as a team. Harry and Hermione have been set aside together by JKR simply too many times for us to be able to ignore that there is a reason for it. Now, I'm up to it being (sorry to use that abhorred word) --platonic, but it seems unlikely. But the strongest iron-clad piece of H/Hr that our ship has from that book is the kiss. I think it's so vital, more vital than even a lot of H/Hr's understand. WHy? Because of the way it's worded. "...and she did something SHE HAD NEVER DONE BEFORE..." Why on earth would JKR specifically choose to tell us that it was something she had never done before?! WHY?! Is it because it was important for us to notice? Hmm...

4th-- Order of the Phoenix. There is so much in this book, but I'll just concentrate on two things. First, the "ugly" quote. Once again, what is the logical purpose for that being in there? The conversation would have been perfectly complete without it. In my view, the conversation flows naturally until Hermione interrupts it with the screeching halt of that quote. And Harry's response? WHy? Is there a reason? Of course, is my answer. Lastly, Hermione being wounded in the DoM.
I would be brave enough to say that Harry's reaction to Hermione's possible "death", is one of Harry's most serious reactions to anything, especially in that book. In comparison, when he saw the boggart as Ron's dead body, he felt shocked, but common sense soon kicked in to say that Ron was downstairs at that moment. But Hermione, upon whom the Avada Kedavra curse wasn't used, Harry still panicked enough to think she might be dead. He didn't use common sense, "oh, it wasn't a green flash of light, she's most likely still alive..." No, he flat out almost went into hysterics. The reason for that? Platonic? Odd...it wasn't that bad with the prospect of Ron of Ginny being dead, now was it...?

Alright, that concludes that, and I'm sorry this is so long! But I have a million and one thoughts I want to get out. What all of the above discussion of canon was for was to highlight something that I think is at the very heart of all that JKR writes: everything, and I do mean everything, happens for a reason. JKR doesn't just throw random things in there without thinking about them. She places hints, and leads us on trails to the wrong conclusion so we can fall on our rumps in surprise when she finally tells us the truth.
So why are people so eager to jump at the obvious? R/Hr and H/G, when not only does JKR NEVER go for the obvious, but we have monstrous loads of evidence in our favor! Canon evidence, evidence based on JKR writing methods, evidence from careful, logical analysis...
I am happy to say that, even though HPB was full of stuff that sent R/Hr and H/G shippers cheering, I'm still on my ship. "The Fat Lady hasn't sung yet," fellow shippers. It's not over. The most important book of the series is still to come. I'm not going to give up hope until it's over.
If I'm wrong, I'll totally confess and eat my hat, etc. But I think there's still hope. Why? This is too long of a post to say that, but you guys have already highlighted most of the reasons why there IS still hope. And you guys helped me stop leaning over the rail of H.M.S Pumpkin Pie feeling seasick. I'm back on board with my whole heart.

Thanks!
Wicked Snitch
Ok this is most likely just a coincidence and means nothing, but I think it's really cute nonetheless.
Remember when Harry is about to leave DD's office after one of the pensieve memories and he quesions DD about the 'mouth organ' and DD thinks Harry is smart for noticing it? I just found out that a mouth organ is a Harmonica and Harry noticed it.
Haha, silly I know, but amusing.
princessoftheworld
QUOTE(Wicked Snitch @ Jul 21 2005, 12:20 PM)
Ok this is most likely just a coincidence and means nothing, but I think it's really cute nonetheless.
Remember when Harry is about to leave DD's office after one of the pensieve  memories and he quesions DD about the 'mouth organ' and DD thinks Harry is smart for noticing it? I just found out that a mouth organ is a Harmonica and Harry noticed it.
Haha, silly I know, but amusing.
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Lol

WS, we meet again! I will add that coincidence to my little cache of treasured h/hr moments.

DL
ponytail
QUOTE(Mira @ Jul 20 2005, 01:14 PM)
Just one more point.. So what if the flower smell reminded Harry of the Burrow..  I think Harry is confused... Except for the first time when George, Fred, and Ron rescued him from the Dursleys.. Everytime Harry has been there, so has Hermione.. So what he thinks reminds him of Ginny might actually be Hermione!~
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I think that the flower smell reminds Harry of the Burrow is not because of Ginny or more farfetchedly Hermione, but because of he really loves being at the Burrow feeling like having a real family of his own. But as Ginny is the only young girl in the Weasley family (Ms. W probably does not wear perfumes around at home as she cooks all the time and there are so many sons around, and Hermione never has had much interest in girly things like giggling or perfumes -- remember that line in GoF when Ron gave her the Xmas gift, she merely said it's *unusual* in a way that only serves not to make Ron feel bad) and she wears that flowery perfume, it must be everywhere marking Harry's sweet home memory of the Burrow. This is similar to that Harry smells of his flying broom in the love portion -- he LOVES flying and he LOVES to have a warm family -- and the love here for these two things is not the love between man and woman. *grin*
Wicked Snitch
I think ponytail, that you make a good point. Ginny is more likely just Harry's connection to the Burrow. He loves the Burrow, considers it his home, and it has a flowery sent (there were flowers in the room he was in there). So when he smells the flower scent, he is reminded of the Burrow, hence Ginny becomes his connection.
The Other Daughter
biggrin.gif God I'm so glad I've checked out this site. I am a MAJOR Harmony shipper, have been from the first book for a lot of reasons, plus I think Daniel and Emma look lovely together in the movies, and I HATE R/Hr. I just don't think Ron's good enough for Hermione. They'd fight all the time and not in the good way. Ron can have plenty of other girls but not Hermione. And Ginny just isn't very interesting as a character to me. I'd prefer Harry with Luna first-she has a personality, before Ginny. But really I do see Harry and Hermione as a perfect match. And I too am hoping that interview was just bluster on JR's part-maybe R/Hr will happen temporarily but in the end there's only one right match. Hermione is Harry's conscience as he is her spirit. Also for JR to put Harry with anyone but Hermione would seem second rate and a nuisance since the Ron/Hermione/Harry trio has been front and center for so long we really can't care about seeing Harry with anyone else. A Ron/Hermione romance would overshadow whoever they put Harry with-which simply cannot be. Besides which JR has said that Hermione was patterned after herself as a child and to me that suggests she'd want Hermione to get the Hero of the Series. Ok I think WAY too much about this, you can tell. Still you are making me feel a little better. It's shameful to admit it, but I find dealing with the blow to my favorite ship harder to bear than Dumbledore's death-maybe because I always knew old Albus wouldn't survive the entire series, but I never DREAMED JR would do something so cruel to her fans as destroy a carefully built up case of soulmates that was believable for a pair of such utterly unconvincing little youthful romances.
_DaNnY_
Woooww.. finally!! You guys are becoming possitive again!! So haaaappy!! Welcome to all the new users!! Sorry for the late welcoming but there's a huracane and I had no light... sad...
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