Just a quick question: Why are do H/Hers sail on the HMS Pumpkin Pie? I was wondering why it's called 'Pumpkin Pie.' Thanks for helping me out!!!

NEWER MOD NOTE:

To those who want to borrow the answer (in the next post): please read this first. ~gal-texter 8May2008


Dear CO-MODS:
Please don't merge this INTO another thread. We need to keep this one's topic ID # 1574 as it's been linked for YEARS in and out of PK (plenty of PK posts, PK's fic rec-engine, and FAP SCUSA). Thanks!

~moving this from Library to H/H main ~gal-texter 19Apr2008

OLDER MOD NOTE: Moving this from "H/H Shipping" Forum to "Prof Binns' Library" ~gal-texter 19Nov2003

MESSAGE EDITED IN SEP2003
This was originally set up as 4 (or more) separate threads. I merged them into this one, and edited this 2nd post, sometime in Sep2003. Hence, most of the succeeding posts sound redundant, as they were made before I edited this one.

Note to H/H Forum Mods (Eric & Heaven): I thought I'd move this here for everyone's info, and to prevent new threads about this topic. I had to merge 4 threads into this one.

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MOD's NOTE & QUICK GUIDE:
by gal-texter. References abound in this post '-)

Origin of HMS Pumpkin Pie ==> it's on this very post
Fandom Shipping Terms (HMS, SS, etc.) ==> yup, it's on this post, too!

Origin of HMS Harmony (suggested alternative H/H Ship Name)
==> read Stncold's question about HMS Harmony, and Mad Eyed Mike's reply

Speculations on why R/Hr shippers call their ship the "Good Ship", and why their motto is "We believe in trees" ==> read this, this, this, this, and this, this, this, this
No R/Hr bashing, please. R/Hr shippers are welcome to enlighten us further!

Feel free to add your own comments on this piece of H/H history!

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History Lessons Start Here ...

Ever wondered why the H/H ship is called the HMS Pumpkin Pie? It's all because of this fic.

Title: untitled, but it's known as the original Pumpkin Pie tale
Author: Narri aka Someone The First
Rating: PG or PG-13, I guess
Genre: fluff
length(optional): one shot
Other Ships: none
Location(URL): first appearance, fiction alley re-post by Narri, fiction alley re-post by a Mod, Pumpkin_Pie_Archive Yahoogroup
Warnings:
Summary(optional): "You taste like pumpkin pie."
Optional User Comments: Read this and the 2 posts that follow it, for more info on the author (Narri).

EDIT 11May2004: Read this for Narri's Jan 2004 reaction to the pumpkin pie phenomenon, and this for another one of her stories.


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Professor Binns' lesson on the HMS Pumpkin Pie's History
-- One of the few times the students didn't fall asleep

The Tale of the HMS Pumpkin Pie
- by Parker aka parkergray

Once upon a time, there was a writer and H/H shipper named Cassandra Claire. She was in the middle of writing the fourth chapter of a story called Draco Veritas. And, being the good, H/H shipper she is, decided to post a snippet of an H/H snog on to this board. Her snog was angsty and steamy and made many of us blush.

It also kicked our muses into high gear. A call was heard all 'round the great ship H/H (as it was then known) for snoglets of any type involving our two heroes.

Many people posted and there was one (by Narri) in which our hero, Harry, coming from a feast, tasted like pumpkin pie. No one is sure why this particular tidbit or turn of phrase caught on, but it did, sweeping through the ship like pink-eye in an elementary school.

Many, *many,* of the snoglets that followed described Harry as tasting like pumpkin pie. There were even whole ficlets built around our two heroes and pumpkin pie.

In short, pumpkin pie became our unofficial mascot, until one day, after many snogs and ficlets, someone said, "Let us forthwith be called the HMS Pumpkin Pie."

And, that, my friends, is the story of the great ship, HMS Pumpkin Pie.
~parker
January, 2002

Reproduced here with emailed permission from Parker.** This may also be found in the Pumpkin Pie Fanfiction Archive yahoogroup and in Fiction Alley Park

First, fanfic author Cassandra Claire posted (on FictionAlley.org) a teaser from her fanfic, Draco Veritas' Chapter 4. It's reproduced at the bottom of this this post. Take note of Ms. Claire's challenge at the end of her teaser. In response to Ms. Claire's challenge, Narri wrote her Pumpkin Pie ficlet (linked somewhere above). It ended with the words: “You taste like pumpkin pie.”

As you can tell, that phrase caught on.

~gal-texter

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Madam Pince's Dictionary of Fandom Terms ~by gal-texter

Fandom Dictionary -- includes info on how "ship" and other terms acquired their present fandom connotations. Read this to satisfy your curiousity about HMS, SS, RMS, HMAS.


Back to the Present ... for More History Lessons?


**Parker's email to me on 14 June 2004

Hey.

Of course it's okay for you to use the story.

I wrote that as a lark, as a response to that very question (why are you lot the Pumpkin Pie?) on a SCUSA thread. I had no idea we'd still be using it now to explain our strange name.

I really don't care who uses it, as long as it's got my name on it.

Parker

I just love it that we have that history!

Everytime someone asks me that same question, I tell the same story, I've memorized it by heart!

I love all Pumpkin Pie Shippers!

It's fun to know we [pumpkin pie-ers] have such a detailed history.

Mm...Pumpkin Pie...

But I have another question...Why are Hr/R called the GOOD ship?

Does *anyone* know why they are called the Good Ship? Or why their mascot is trees, like ours is pumpkins? I'm just curious

Any former R/Hrs out there? Lurking ones? Come on!

I don't know why they're the Good Ship, but as a lurky member of Sugarquill, they're trees because, as one of them said, "I don't believe in Ron and Hermione any more than trees. They're both just there."

Hope this helps. As for the Good Ship...a lapse of creativity, perhaps?

~Nell

Hi everyone! Frequent person aboard the HMS Pumpkin Pie over at Fictionalley's SCUSA message boards There was this time where our ship, to promote Inter-Ship relations, was flooded with well-wishing R/Hr's. Please don't take me too seriously, but I think that the reason they are called the Good Ship is because of what saoirse said:

QUOTE

Yeah, whenever I hear the words "Good Ship", I automatically think of that saccharine Shirley Temple number ("On the go-od ship, Lollipop..."

I don't know the full story. Maybe someone should ask them...?

But the story that you are all searching for, the link could be found on the ship's Public Service Announcements where it directs you to links like the unofficial H/Hr soundtrack list. But anyway, in order to find what you are requesting, you should go on over to the Pumpkin Pie Archive Yahoo Group and click on "files".

Once there, there will be a description of how the Tale of the HMS Pumpkin Pie which should explain everything.

Happy sailing!

Mod Note: Merged this thread, originally "I Was Just Wondering...."~ WonkyKris 12/04/04

What is it with H/Hr and pumpkin pie. Sorry if I'm but I just wanted to know. My first post!!!!

I don't really understand that either!! I hope someone anwers that soon, Thanks for asking!!

(As a H/HR shipper I'm supossed to give you some pumpkin pie , but I don't know what that means! So I'll let the others do the honors!)

Welcome aboard!! Here's some pumpkin pie. Well, I read somewhere that someone wrote a h/hr fic that involved Harry eating pumpkin pie, and ever since, Pumpkin Pie has been THE h/hr dessert. Everyone started using pumpkin pie in h/hr fics after that. Welcome again!

Lol, I go read Heaven's Just Kiss Me - It's the pumpkin pie fanfic!

Hey, Thanks!!!!

I think there was another story. I remember reading a story about Harry and Hermione in the Astronomy tower, and I was told that the name of our ship had come out of that fanfic. I'll try to look for the link.

Hey cool! I didn't even know there was a source for that! Anyway, I'm in the process of writing a H/Hr. I'll make sure to have them eating pumpkin pie in order to show my support!

I just read the story too, it was so cute! I was giggling like a little girl.

I've read the story now!!! I was laughing so much that my mum got angry at me! jejeje

Loved it, and now I understadn the pumpkin pie thing!!

I posted a topic asking why when I first came on these boards and an answer was given to me (a VERY, VERY good one)...look around late June topics to find it...

Okay, firstly, hello. My name is Isidore and it's very pleasant to be here and introduce myself to you all. I'm not really a shipper of anything; I just like well-written stories.

Um, anywho. So, my question. How was the name Pumpkinpie thought up for the H-Hr ship?

Oh, I hope this isn't a one-liner . . .

Isidore

this probally shouldn't be in this board, but it was from a piece of a fanfic where hermione says harry tastes like pumpkin pie...it caught on and now it's our symbol

*passes pumpkin pie*

go here for the full history

Such a great story...*sniffle...anyway, I do think this topic should be on the main Harry/Hermione board. Sorry, one of the mods will probably take it off.

Cassandra Claire is soo good! Hehe.. so is Lori Summers! They rock, do they not??

MOD NOTE: This thread is being moved to the Harry/Hermione forum as that is the place to ask questions such as this.
--thereader

Awww! I loff our history!!!
Hello, by the way! *Passes Pumpkin Pie*
No one else has history like ours do they? NOPE!!!!!

Oh oh!!! I remember this story, we mentioned this on my very first day on Portkey.. ahh memories...!!! Omg, that fic was soooo funny I couldn't stop laughing when I finished it... and I still laugh just thinking about it ::snorts::

Dreamer~

Hey....!!!!! * hands out pumpkin pie slices to everyone, it's freshly baked!*

The link didnt work for me.... so can anyone post up another link that would work? Because i'm interested in reading this fic that started our history!!!!

And yep...... Harry/Hermione 4eva , no one has history like ours! We're special....

here Ya go mate! Enjoy!!!

Dreamer~

I didn't know that part of the H/Hr history.... hmm but I love being part of it now.... HMS pumpkin piers rock!!!!!

No Pumpkin Pie in UK: I saw this thing in the front page ... so I just had to reply ^.^ I don't know how true that is. I have been enjoying being back in New Zealand a lot. I can watch TV now. I was watching the "Wild Thornberries" a few weeks ago , and they had an episode on that mentions it.

Basically they are a "typical" british family that lives in a camper van and travel the world doing documentaries on animals. The lead character can talk to the animals. Anyway, in that episode the lead girl and her sister were talking about going on holiday, and how they were leaving their mom and dad behind. They said that their grandmother was making their moms favourite pie. Pumpkin Pie.

The GOOD ship: I saw someone say somethign about this. It's not that they think they have the greatest ship and all others are crap. It's just the way NAVY people sometimes refer to their ship. The good ship Santa Anna. ETC.

I kept reading about the Pumpkin Piers, but I always reffered to us as the Pumpkineers, it seems shorter and a little cuter I think, but whatever, both are good.

Yep, it's great to have such a great background for our forum.

I swore I posted on this type of topic before and asked my question on why Hr/R is called the Good Ship. What happened to that link?

MOD's NOTE 26Sep2003: I merged it (as well as others I could find) with this one ~galtxtr

Anyway, Pumpkin Pie, came from a concept in a beautiful Fan Fiction. Look down on my signature.

*Points at Facade's signature*
Hi, Facade! Much as I want to, I can't claim to have written those words in your signature. They were written by Parker, one of the more talented fanfic writers.

*passes Pumpkin Pie*

Aw no worries on that. Damn now I need to change it. I love how my name just stood out in Bold!

Alright, I am wondering here.....

The way everybody says "Pumpkin Pie".... I know what it is, of course, but there is something odd happening to the phrase....

The origin of "Pumpkin Pie" meaning A H/Hr relationship is clear.... But now people are using it kinds strangley...

People say things like "Takes a big piece of Pumpkin Pie" or "Servers the Pumpkin Pie"..... Forgive me if I'm being over-analytical, but what are you implying by saying "Serves the Pumpkin Pie"? Are you saying it just as a joke, because we all know what it really is and that the pumpkin pie we're thinking of is not edible? Is that what's goiing on?

Or is the term taking on a new meaning, and are you suggesting that by serving a big piece of pie, you are actually feeding out a really great H/Hr idea? Or are you saying that by serving more and more of the edible pumpkin pie, you are doing something symbolic?

Whereas Pumpkin Pie once meant "A fan fic or concept that involves Harry and Hermione in some form of relationship greater than friendship", it is now slowly taking on a new meaning: "A symbolic item that represents a relationship between Harry and Hermione", in which case it is used in such a context as "Have a big Piecs of Pumpkin Pie" (meaning "Let there be a great amount of Love between Harry and Hermione")

.................Okay I've made my own head hurt but I've rambled too long not to post this.

WHAT I AM ASKING IS THIS: Is ther term "Pumpkin Pie" slowly begining to mean more than just a Fan fic in which Harry and Hermione go at it, etc.?

Just some observations from an author who actually hates the real Pumpkin Pie but loves the metaphorical stuff.

(INSERT CONFUSED REPLIES BELOW)

It's just H/Hr's mascot/logo thing. It's just a little fun thing that we do.

*Passes some Pie to Praecanus Reveritum *

Hope that helped


Marshmallow

LOL yeah.. its not really something we take seriously. Its just a cute idea, I suppose! Like mostly we give pumpkin pie to Congratulate someone, welcome someone, encourage someone, to be friendly, or just for fun

Theres not really a specific reason why we do it.. its just-- our ship is called pumpkin pie, so when we're happy about something we serve it up for each other as a kind of celebration. Its just a cute fun idea..

I dont know about anyone else, but theres not really anything that symbolic about it-- besides that we love H/Hr and we're feeding people love of them!!

Uh but I dunno.. maybe im wrong, but thats the impretion I get of it!!

Hope that helped!

*gives slice of pumpkin pie*

Mmm good!

~*Amanda

Hello!

Anyway, I think having a mascot/logo is kinda cool. this is the first time I've been involved in something totally cool. Pumpkin pie, everyone!

Hmm, I consider "Pumpkin Pie" to be a symbol or logo of anything that promotes H/H.

Y'know, I've never even eaten pumpkin pie. It's not popular in my country. I oughta try it when I visit places where it is popular.

Ah, America was born on Pumpkin Pie, and that's only becuase its big in Britain. I don't care too much for it, its alright. The H/H Pumpkin Pie is the best anyway, you aren't missing out on anything.

..................Has anybody besides me noticed that my Avatar is all messed up? What's up with that? The picture was crystal clear when I downloaded it..... meh. She still looks good even a bit distorted .

Yes I kind of notice that..

by the way, im curious, what does it say?? the words there?

~*Amanda

A brief history of Pumpkin Pie for you.

Once upon a time, a fanfic author named Cassandra Claire wrote a snoglet featuring Harry and Hermione for a challenge another author named Ebony set. In this snoglet, Harry was described as tasting of pumpkin pie.

And so it began.

It is customary for every SHIP in SCUSA Bay (Self-contained Underwater Shipping Apparatus) to have a name prefixed by HMS, as is the English custom. Some have self explanatory names, such as HMS Good Ship R/H. Some are more creative - HMS Leather and Libraries is the Draco/Hermione ship. Thanks to Cassie, Harry/Hermione is HMS Pumpkin Pie.

Thus the moniker has evolved. Harry and Hermione are referred to as 'the pumpkins'. H/H afficionados are 'pumpkinites' or 'pumpkineers'. Our symbol, emblem if you will, is (you guessed it) a slice of pumpkin pie. To give someone a slice of pumpkin pie is to welcome them to the ship, or to reassure shippers when our feathers have been ruffled by another ship. Or when we're merely feeling happy of course

Hope that helped...

T xxx has been a pumpkineer waaaaay too long...

I am the official Baker of Pumpkin Pie, and like Sunshinebelle said, it's just to be nice I guess. I like it! Although I tried it for the first time last Saterday at my cousins wedding and I got all hyper and started shouting and singing about Pumpkin Pie! Oh damn this is off topic.
Yeah, so it's just to be nice really.

*Baking another Pumpkin Pie, to be handed out by the official Pumpkin Pie server*

I've never had pumpkin pie, you know... it's not a big thing in the UK. I should make some, sometime.

I live in the Philippines and when my aunt from L.A. went here to visit we went to this place to get pumpkins because we usually have squash and not pumpkin.... she made a pumpkin pie and it was delicious.... I love it a lot.... she's back in L.A and haven't eaten a pumpkin pie ever since.... I searched everywhere in every bakeshop I could find but no pumpkin pie.... I better migrate to the US or UK to eat some.... hehehe.... but pumpkin pie is just exceptional just like H/Hr it stands out.... I only ate it once but I could never forget what it taste like.... it was really good

As for the Pumpkin pie you might want to try out this one.

What's bad about living in the philippines?
By the way, karenkate kitty, what's about this 'other beta' who is a Ron and Hermione shipper?

heehee ! ludi , i just told karenkate_kitty that...I DO TOOOOOOO!!!!!!

mrs. pepper

I've never tasted Pumpkin pie in my life. But I am anxious too...

Ok, back on topic. It is simply what tistytosty made it out to be. Since our ship logo is a creative one[ I'm not saying the others aren't...er] we can trifle with it a bit more than others can.

Meaning we can use it for more services. Such as cheering someone up or just agreeing or encouraging.

As for in the beginning, I think Pumpkin Pie did stand out for more than just H/Hr together in a fan fiction.

Wow!! I never knew there aws a Pumpkin pie History.....

Wow, some of you guys haven't had pumpkin pie !!! You all need to come to my house in the States on Thanksgiving. We've got plenty of pumpkin pie then .

Where is this snoglet by Cassandra? I don't think I've read it yet.

MOD's NOTE 26Sep2003: This is one reason why I merged all these threads '-). I copied Cassandra Claire's snoglet on the 2nd post of this thread.
~galtxtr

*takes pie from harry/hermione and serves it to everyone* yeah i never knew there was a history either! thats pretty cool! does anyone know where i can find that fanfic? thnx!