[FONT=Arial][SIZE=7][COLOR=blue] That is very good quote...man its kinda freaky cause my brother just said the same thing when I told him about all the havic thats been going on.....I my self have a theory I mean since when does JK Rowling state the obvious?... Now I know that JK Rowling might be messing with us...I mean who wants to find the ending of your book when its supposed to be "unobvious"...Why she is trying to cause doubt and by doing so it will of course be questionable on wether it will happen at all. but she finally (and hopefully ) shows that Harry and Hermione are meant to be well it will be all the sweeter, and of course you cant really say that you expected it to happen to have faith my pumpkineers and let the magic do its work


~*Your Bookworm Tamjam*~

I have to say i like "because it's right, not easy" but also after the results of HBP it should be something along the lines of "it aint over til its over"

only soemthing more creative

It all sounds great guys The Heron motto will never know what hit it!

Just a note that the friendship thing could work for Ron and Hermione.... Just pointing that out. Other then that you all rock!

I'm touched by the effort and interest *tear* GO HARMONY

how about:

Who saiid that alls fair and love and war? (Or the battle between R/Hr and H/HR for that matter)

or

Because everyone loves pumpkin pie.

I love this one! Very creative and it fits our ship so much at the moment. Good job, Carpe! I'm very tempted to steal this one and put it in my signature on every HP forum I belong too.

Okay, not exactly a motto for us, but a nice little thing to go with whatever it is that ought to be picked.

"Because love is not a beast, even if it purrs"

In reference to HBP, or course. And the whole R/Hr bickering thing.

My current favorite though, would be "Because its right, not easy."

I agree with the "It's right, not easy." But on LJ I saw someone say "You believe in trees, I believe in chainsaws." And really like that.

Thanks! You can go right ahead if you want.

I'm tempted to do the same thing. Haha, it does seem like it though, like she's saved the best for last. I hope she has.

I'm lazy too, or am styuck for inspiration. So I like:
"Other ships may have cruise missiles, but Harmony has canons!"
"Why have tension when you've got Harmony?"
and
"It's right, not easy." I think.

Why are we still thinking about a motto?

SPOILER!
OUR SHIP HAS SUNK. THERE'S NO WAY TO DENY IT!!! RON AND HERMIONE ARE BLOODY IN LOVE AND OUR GIT HERO HAS FALLEN FOR THE LITTLE FANGIRL. I THINK HORCRUXES ARE BRILLIANT AND OTHER PLOT BUT I WILL WRITE ALETTER POLITELY ASKING WHY!

Hahahhahahaha! I love that one! haha, wow, okay well i have a few otehr ones i like to:

1. Because it's right, not easy
2. Because love is a battle, love is a war, love is a growing up
3. Because JKR saved the best for last

Yea...those are my favorites, and im too lazy and not creative enough to come up with my own motto...

Maybe you think our ship has sunk, but it hasn't actually. Harry and Ginny broke up, and besides that their relationship wasn't anything close to the relationship Harry has with Hermione. I've always hated the idea of H/G, but now that I've read how it happens, I'm even more convinced than before that it won't last. Harry went to Ginny as an escape, nothing more. If you think about it that's what it was for him: an escape away. With Ginny he got to talk about Quidditch and snog, and whatnot. He didn't trust her enough to share all that private info he shares with Ron and Hermione. With her it was just feeling normal, thus the quote, "It felt like time out of someone else's life" (or something like that). Anyway, Ginny doesn't and still doesn't understand Harry. And if she really did love him, she wouldn't have let him push her away so easily, now would she?

No. And if you notice it, though it's still not quite as obvious as it was in OoTP, Harry still thinks about Hermione subconsciously more than he thinks about anyone else. He talks about her to others, and you find him wondering 'what would Hermione think', blah blah blah. You ever see him doing this about anyone else. I think that Harry has thought about his relationship with practically every other girl than Hermione. He even said in this book that Luna and him were just friends and nothing more, but Hermione...I don't think we'll get him realizing his feelings for her until book seven.

And about the whole Ron and Hermione thing. I couldn't really think of why all of a sudden out of pretty much nowhere Hermione would show more interest in Ron than he's ever showed in her. But that's just it, it seemed more like Hermione was trying to get Ron to not stop liking her. I think she didn't want him to stop liking her, because then that'd mean no one else did. So she was determined to prove there were other guys there that would go out with her. And besides, when Ron told her, "I love you, Hermione", what did Hermione say? Nothing.

HMS Harmony has not sunk. I know it hasn't, because as that motto comes in handy right now: JKR saved the best for last.

Anyway, I think everyone's agreed that 'because it's right not easy' is the best, right? We really need to take some kind of a vote on this...

Very nicely said, Carpe! I agree with everything you said and want to thank you for giving me even more reason to believe in "because JKR saved the best for last."

We really should take a vote on this like you pointed out!

I prefer to think of HBP as a challenge. For some reason, JKR chose to throw everything she could against H/Hr. Not only did she pair up R/Hr, but to make it fool proof, she sets Harry up with someone that is seemingly perfect in everyway. She even broke the two up using the dialogue many H/Hr's have imagined between our preferred ship. Truly, she is making us stand by what we feel. We have a slippery hold on book logic in HBP. In the past five, H/Hr moments were in adundance. That unfortunatley is not what HBP offers. Hence, belief in our ship is not going to be easy by any means. But almost every H/Hr I've talked to has told me that they believed in this ship because of what they felt first and then by canon evidence second.

By what we distinguished as right... That was how we came together. And if anyone asks us why we choose this ship, even with all the odds against us, even with choosing R/Hr as an easier ship to sail with, we can answer them proudly:

Because it's right, not easy.

Totally agreed. If I hear one more "YEAH HARY/GINNY GOT TOGETHER, I KNEW HARRY WOULD NEVER GET WITH HERMIONE!" I'm gonna be sick

Traditional Story are the Best. Hero+Heroine-Sidekick=Best.

Because it's right, not easy....ha ha haa.... love it.

I know it's kinda cruel, but I like the "I will go down with this ship" Fits doesn't it? Though our ship will not go down...

No Offense but you are the kind of person I hate right now... How could you give up hope? There is still one last book. It can still happen. I admit after I read that Harry/Ginny got together, I cried, and then I went nuts. I started rocking back and forth in the corner laughing insanley because I just knew that they (G/H) would break up and H/Hr would get together. I was also extremley mad at everyone! But then I slept on it. And I woke up with more support for H/Hr then ever!

But since you have given up hope...
Then I guess... I'll just have to have enough hope for the both of us.

Hi guys! I'm one of the H/Hr shipper that still believe that H/Hr will appear on the seventh book again. I think JK tried to distract and unstable us. I think it's kind of weired about the H/G broke up, it doesn't look sincere at all and another thing is before Harry goes with Dumbledore he said something to Hermione it was on page 552 (US Edition). He and Ginny relationship was really short according to the book, the exact words that JK use is "few weeks" and it shows us that their relationship was not last long. SO I don't know Just keep up your faith the real answer might be in the SEVENTH BOOK!. After all Harry knows his power to defeat Voldemort and that's LOVE! If I'm not remember this wrong the Hippogriff in the third book means the "Symbol of LOVE" and Hermione name means "the Godness of Love" according to my source.

I think H/Hr will be appear in the 7th book and the One True Pair will be H/Hr

P.S. My english is horrible. it's my second language, anyway KEEP UP YOUR FAITH!

My Motto is I belive in JK's words that said "Harry needs Hermione Badly" (May be He needs her in the final book to destroy Voldemort!)

I heard my friend singing this one time. I believe it's a good Charlotte Song:

"You say I'm a dreamer, I say you're a non-believer"

Although...we can change it just a tad:

"You say we're all dreamers, we say you're all non-believers"

w00t!

Just a suggestion

I agree, let's just have the motto be: 'Because it's right, not easy'.

Also, i agree on the H/G and R/Hr thing. Ginny was an escaoe for Harry, somewhere for him to go and not have to deal with his cursed life. But, he will have to come back to reality sometime and that was at the end of the book. Then also, that's right, if Ginny really loved and understood him then she wouldn't ahve let him push her awy at the end, Hermione never has.

And R/Hr, if it takes them to lying, cheating, and being way too OOC to be together, then it wouldn't last more than 5 minutes. They are just too different and I know lots of people say opposites attract, but come on, they are WAY too opposite.

Anyway, I can say that our ship havsn't sunk, but it probably will. I'm not leaving or anything (there;s no better ship and I'd never be caught dead around the R/Hr or H/G shippers.), but just after everything, like the "The" MN Interview and stuff, JKR probably won't put them together, it's so sad to say.

But, hey, I'm still gonna hold out to the end, it could still happen. Our ship is pretty rocky, but again, it could still happen.

So, we are all agreed on 'because it's right, not easy' right? For the motto?

Good!

Long live the HMS Harmony!!

Well, I couldn't care if HHr is sunk, I love swimming! No seriously! I go for swimming classes, swimming galas, etc. etc.

But I thought about our motto and I decided, how about: The world is for Harmony.

Kinda a pun, lol.

Okay, okay, if it's lame, I couldn't care...

Hey guys,

I've been a H/Hr shipper forever, but I've only just discovered this board. You guys really inspire me with your determination...I too don't think that Harmony has sunk AT ALL and that H/G is the one at the bottom of the ocean.

angel_of_fire, I like your "you say we're all dreamers, we say you're all non-believers" motto.

But yeah, I'll vote for "because it's right, not easy."

By the way, how do I get my signature to show up?

I like all of them... Couldn't we have all of them?

*puppy dog face*

Because it's right, not easy!!

A glowing tribute not only to our favourite couple but also to their mentor the much-lamented Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore of happy memory (assuming he is actually dead, of course...)

WOO-HOO! Hear, hear! Very nicely put! Oh, and hey, I've got another one:

Because anvils don't taste as good as Pumpkin Pie.

Lame, I know.

"You're looking at the wrong anvils!"

Not mcuh of a quote but...yeah...

How about...

Because we're delusional.

Because a million feathers can outweigh an anvil.

Because since you're so delusional that R/Hr and H/G will happen, I'm not going to waste my precious H/Hr-essay-writing-time to point out all of the evidence.

Because we see the big picture, not what we want to see.

Because...*trys to pick a reason out of the milions of clues in her head*... AWWWW forget it.

Because if you need me to TELL you, then you dont need to be on my ship.

Those are all for now.

*Harmony luvr*

Ya know, the Roadrunner got hit with an anvil and kept on running, and it was the Coyote that was ultimately the fool. Can anyone say---SYMBOLISM? Lol. Though I highly doubt JKR meant anything other than the dispicable obvious when she said it.

So a motto...

I liked Because we're delusional, best, actually.

Because a simple heron could never destroy our harmony.

Because when the word "platonic" was used to describe Mulder and Scully, they had a baby.

Because we believe in love.

Because Hermione listens to Harry and bickers with Ron.

Because we never got a reasonable explanation for Hermione kissing Harry on the cheek.




Off Topic: I know, I know. I didn't coin the phrase "reasonable explanation." (Scully did). But it being David Duchovny's birthday, what can I say? X-Files was on the brain...

On Topic: Please come up with better suggestions for a motto than mine.

Go to mugglenet, J.K said it. It ron and hermione. I will ship Harry and Hermione to the death but we must move on people. But I was thinking. Harry and Hermione because Ron and Hermione just are not that cute together

"Emerson + Pumpkin Pie = Heron choking to death = Roast Heron dinner"
i think that pretty much covers it

Only a complusive liar would enjoy a berating relationship like Heron.

Wow, I love all of these.

Personally, I vote for "Because it's right, not easy" because I wrote a fanfiction based exactly on this quote (I didn't even know this thread was here!).

But I also love:
Reading between the lines from the beginning
Because we're not stupid
Because JKR saved the best for last.
Harry needs Hermione Badly

And I want to add:
"Anvils are big, ugly, awkward things."
"Anvils sure are heavy ... and heavy things have a tendency to sink boats."

I posted those elsewhere on the forum.

PS, xCarpeDiem, I love your avatar.

A ship is not sunk until the captain goes down with her.

Think about that one for a moment.

How about:

"Because delusional also means intuitive"

"would you care for some pumpkin pie?"

or

"Just because it's right, not because it's easy!"

Wow! Your motto's made me want to use them and create a wallpaper. I hope you guys don't mind me using them.

Check it out: http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3723/wall3fg.gif

Hey, you used mine. thanks!

Hermony..that is H/hr is all about.

we believed in "True love"" not "Divorce Court" (H/hr vs R/hr)

we believed in "Destiny" not "One night Stand" (H/hr vs H/G)..

that is all....

No problem! Yours made me laugh like a lunatic.

I think "It is right, not easy" one is wonderful. I don't like the delusional word. It is like Emerson is our God and we memorize everything he says.

"Because Cho, viktor and even Ron saw it."

how about Rita SKeeter, Draco..and rest of Hogarts student and The World..see it that H/hr is "True Love"

so far my favorite is

"because it's right not easy."

i also like one that not many people seem to like and even if it isnt the most ispiring

"platonic is the place between first glance and first kiss."

i have one that i got from the rugrats more than a decade ago. i was like eight at the time but it has always stuck with me

"if you have to ask then you'll never know."

Harmony is something you read and you see and you feel. you cant just be told it you have to find it for yourself. Herons can just be told this is what is going to happen and accept it.

Oh, my God, you have no idea how much I needed that! What you just said was the pick-me-up I needed after the interview and Book 6. Glad there are people like you around here who are determined to keep this alive, whether it becomes official or not!

Sorry if I'm in over my head about this, but I looked at some of the posts here and some suggestions outside of this topic for a motto and rhymes started popping into my head. Before I knew it, I had written a rap about Harry, Hermione, and our ship, if you'll believe it. I'm just posting this as food for thought if anyone else wants to tackle this-and I'm Asian, not black, so please bear with me!

Pass The Pumpkin Pie (Original)

Welcome to the Pumpkin Pie, my friend,
Need an explanation about us? Let's begin...

To start, I'll tell you this fact:
We're here because of two Hogwarts cats
Who've got enough skills to hold the school down
Want more 'bout them? I'll give you the lowdown

First up, there's Potter, Harry James
Ain't nobody who can deny he's got game
Whether it's playing Quidditch or dusting lames
But he doesn't let himself be ruled by the fame

And there's Granger, Hermione Jane
Talk about a darn smart but a darn fine dame
With impeccable brains but looks that could maim
A true lioness only one can tame

You know what it is-
HJP and HJG
The reason we're here is 'cause it's easy to see
It certainly ain't as hard as catching the Snitch
To see that behind the greatest wizard lies the brightest witch

(with backup)
If you appreciate it
(Pass the pumpkin pie)
If you don't read, but interpret
(Pass the pumpkin pie)
If you want a couple that's fly
(Pass the pumpkin pie)
Then throw your hands in the sky, and
(Pass the pumpkin pie)

Oh, it's not just because they look terrific together
They've stuck together through the stormiest weather!
Already through more drama than in many a life
So don't say they won't be great as husband and wife

And ain't nothing in the world they wouldn't do for each other!
You wanna mess with them, you better run for cover
On a mission to get them? You better abort
'Cause they won't give a darn if you're Voldemort!

No sir, no ma'am, it's obvious to everyone!
Wouldn't be more so if you wrote it in neon
All of Hogwarts already knows about these doves
Ravenclaw to Gryffindor, Slytherin to Hufflepuff

Why am I here? I'll tell you, quickly:
These two are like part two of James and Lily!
So pass the pie while while we're in this lush cove
To show some love for their love, one time, now...

(with backup)
If you appreciate it
(Pass the pumpkin pie)
If you don't read, but interpret
(Pass the pumpkin pie)
If you want a couple that's fly
(Pass the pumpkin pie)
Then throw your hands in the sky, and
(Pass the pumpkin pie)

Because Ron lacks the intelligence to be with Hermione, and Ginny lacks the level-headedness to be with Harry. Or maybe cause the Weasley's stink. Yes, I like the idea that JK is saving the best for last.

To the continued sailing of H/Hr. Cheers!

i love it!! i'm copy and pasting it to a word for meh to keep and show my harmonian friends!

I was going to posted that: Because JKR saved the best for last.

how about

We believed "Best friend become Best Lover"

MODLY NOTE: These Aug 2007 comments had been originally put up in the Padfoot_Lives' "Harry and Hermione in DH" essay thread. I'm moving it here in case people are wondering (as I have) about the quote "H/H - choosing what is right over what is easy".

-gal-texter Jun - Sep 2008




H/Hr = right and OBHWF = easy? I've heard this argument a couple of times and I still don't get it. What's more right about Harmony, what's easier about OBHWF? Is it not just your shipping preference that makes you say that H/Hr is "the right ship"? Is there any basis for this? Any canonical support?


Also, do you believe that if JK had written H/Hr, it really would've been that much better than what she did now? Sure, your ship would've sailed, but do you really believe she'd have written a "great love story"? I think what OBHWF showed us is that JK's weakest point as a writer is romance (she's awesome at other things, but romance she just does not pull off that well). H/Hr would in my opinion probaly be just as cliché and trite. Only difference would be that a different part of the fandom would be as angry as the Harmonians are now.

HP isn't about romance. So I think it couldn't ever have been a "great love story", simply because it's not a love story.


Interested to hear your thoughts

I'll give you what I think is the shorthand version answer. To me OBHWF is the easy choice because it's the 100% happy ending. Everyone lives happily ever after. Everyone is a part of the Weasley family. All loose ends are neatly packaged in a red bow. All smiles, and everyone heads off into the sunset. IMO...it's too neat. It's TOO perfect of an ending. H/Hr on the other hand is the right choice, because like it or not, JKR wrote some of the more emotional scenes/moments between those two characters. Everyone in fandom I'm sure would agree that the relationship between Harry and Hermione was the relationship most explored on page. Whether you interpet those scenes to be romantic or platonic..there is no denying their closeness. Doing something right, means that not everyone will be happy. That not everyone gets their desired ending. H/Hr getting together I'm sure would have dissapointed a few Weasley's, but they would have understood and accepted that H/Hr have a closeness that no one else could ever share.

I know that may not answer your question, but that's my shorthand version.




I have to agree with you this one... I personally am ticked that I didn't get MY h/hr. but if it had been written in the way OBHWF was, no thank you. I've read better fanfiction...I"ll leave it up to them to write H/Hr romance.



You're right. HP isn't about romance..but I was under the impression that Love was Harry's power. I admit that I'm dissapointed in how his power of love helped him defeat voldemort. Yes is spared everyone from getting hurt, but did it destroy evil? IMO...Not even close.

I'm a little confused.

I don't see how writing a very happy ending for one's characters is any easier than writing a moderately-happy or unhappy ending. I know one person who has a MUCH easier time writing unhappy or barely-happy endings to her fanfic. I have another friend who can do somewhat-happy endings but just can't do unhappy or very happy endings. We should not presume what was easier for JKR to write, only what she attempted to write.

Also, I have seen arguments here as to how a H/Hr ending could have been just as neat and tidy and happy as a R+Hr/H+G ending.

I should also point out that H/Hr isn't objectively "right." No matter how badly she wrote the canon romances, I'm not the only person who would have felt a H/Hr ending would have been weird. A large percentage of fans see H/Hr as JKR apparently intended them to be seen as: close platonic friends.

Personally, I see putting the most developed male and female characters together as "taking the easy route" *shrug*

Just another perspective.