Why do the Malfoys really hate the Weaslys? I mean I can understand from a socioeconomic status stand point but other than that, why do they hate eachother. I can see where the Draco/Ginny relationship makes sense. Maybe both of them realize that it shouldn't matter how much money you have. Wow this is random!

~Helena M.

It might also be something along the lines of the Malfoy's are dark and evil wizards who support Voldemort and the Weasley's are blood traitors and members of the OOTP.

Very good point. I guess I really don't see how Ginny and Draco could be together when both their families have been fed different ideas about magical families and such.

I guess it's the different values and beliefs. I'm kind of curious how the feud started too.

Fueds normally die out. Take Romeo and Juliet for example. After the untimely death of both Romeo and Juliet, the Capulets and the Montagues stopped fighting. Maybe this fued between the Malfoys and Weaslys goes deeper than we really think.

Well I am sure there is more to it than that. But I'm not so sure that it's neccesarily a "feud" rather than just an intense dislike for each other's family's. Like in CoS at the bookstore, when Arthur and Lucius are fighting, and one says "We have a different idea of what disgraces the name of Wizards".

Both families think the other is the scum of the earth, so it's not really that they're fighting with each other, but that both think they're much higher standing citizens than the other.

So I doubt it will die out unless the Weasleys inherit tons of money and stop associating with mudbloods, or if the Malfoys suddenly decide to give to charities and join SPEW.

Kristina

You're right. I wouldn't consider it a fued. I used that term loosly because I don't really consider it a fued. It is hard to tell a person's expressions or tones on threads. Maybe the weaslys will gain an immense amount of money or maybe the malfoys will decide to become more charitable.

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A random and funny thought - in my fanfic, the reason why they started fighting was because a couple of hundred years ago (around 200 years ago), back when the Weasleys and Malfoys were friends, their little kids were playing, and a Weasley accidently broke one of the Malfoy's windows and the Weasleys refused to pay up, and the rest is history...

Hmm...perhaps it does run deeper. I really hope JKR touches on this subject because now I have a mounting curiousity. Perhaps when she does tell the history of their feud, there will be some D/G going on as well. That would be nice...*dreams*

By the way, Dice, in your signature, the song is sung by Finley Quaye..^.^

Maybe this works well for you fic, but in real canon I am pretty sure it would have to be something a little bigger than this to cause an initial feud...



I really don't think JKR is ever going to "explain the history of their feud" because I really dont think there IS a feud. Like I said in my previous post, I really just think the Weasleys and the Malfoys don't see eye to eye on acceptable ways to live their lives and whom to associate with, and therefore will not tolerate each other because they just don't understand each other. They both believe they are more upstanding citizens than the other, and therefor yes, they treat each other badly and say nasty things. But it's not a distinct "fued" such as in Romeo and Juliet.

Sometimes I really think the Romeo and Juliet comparison is taken a little too far and D/G fans forget the differences amonst the similarities.


Kristina

Romeo and Juliet may be taken a bit too far but it does fit the profile. I don't think JKR will touch on the "fued" because I don't think it really has anything to do with the story line of Harry Potter. I mean in GOF and OOTP, it does a little but only with Lucius.

But see, when Romeo and Juliet fell in love, it was an innocent relationship, because neither knew the other was from the family that they were, and didn't know they were defying their families.

Draco is well aware that Ginny is a Weasley, and Ginny is darn certain Draco is a Malfoy. They already know of each other and have a dislike for each other based on their backgrounds and histories.

For them to fall in love now, it would not be an innocent mixup, because they would enter into the relationship full knowing they were breaking the Slytherin/Gryffindor and Weasley/Malfoy hatred.

But this isn't just a feud between the Mafoy's and the Weasley's, it's a battle in the entire wizarding world between the whole of pureblood and halfblood families dissagreeing upon who to associate with.

It's just not the same situation as R+J.



Personally, I think it has everything to do with Harry Potter's story line. A big big plot point is the rift between the Order and the Ministry, or the schism that has always been apparent bewteen the Death Eaters and the regular good wizarding poulation. The Malfoys and the Weasleys are just excellent examples of this divide.


Kristina

Romeo and Juliet knew their families were enemies. They didn't care though. They thought that Capulet and Montague were just names. They fell in love despite the fact they both knew that what they were doing could cause a catastrophe. You do have a good point about the "fued" having something to do with the story line.


~Lisa



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Um, I think you're mistaken.

Romeo meets Juliet at a Capulet party, and they both do not know what family the other belongs to. It's only until afterwards does Juliet find out because her Nurse tells her after she asks, and Romeo even after that.

By then they were already in love.

So, yes, they knew their families were enemies, of course. The fued was almost completely their sole conflict that got between them, but they had no idea of the other's identities when they met.





SCHISM. Sorry.

Yeah, I agree. The Malfoy/Weasley fued is a great example of how divided the wizarding world is and is becoming. It will probably only intensify as the series goes on.


Crystal

I know they didn't know eachother's identities before they fell in love. Once they knew, they still got married.

I always thought that it was
Wealsey's=I MUGGLES!
Malfoy's= Muggles Stink. Gross.




SCHISM!!! TEEHEE!!!
Yeah, I agree. The Malfoy/Weasley fued is a great example of how divided the wizarding world is and is becoming. It will probably only intensify as the series goes on.

True, The Weasley's and the Malfoy's are a perfect example of the divided mindset in the wizarding world and The Montagues and the Capulets were that of a divided mindset...Although, in my opinion, the two storylines have somethings in common...but in all reality...they're different.
The Weasley's and the Malfoy's aren't neccesarilly feuding (as discussed above) they just don't like one another for personal opinions- Draco and Ginny have KNOWN of the conflict and in this case have fallen in love with one another anyway. The Monagues and the Capulets had been feuding for centuries (probably about property or some drunk uncle knocked up someone on the other side...or knocked out someone on the other side...)- Romeo and Juliet knew full well of the conflict, they were just either too:
1. Smashed at the Party to realize who each other were
2. Too naive to know ( I'm assuming this one...since Shakespeare fully intended on Juliet being that of 12 and Romeo being only 15 or 16...Gross. But that's how it was done.)
Romeo and Juliet decided that when they knew of one another's families, they'd get married just to spite them. If you do remember though, the ENTIRE story took place in 2 DAYS. That's 48 HOURS. They weren't thinking of love...
They thought they were cute!
Romeo and Juliet in REALITY:
Romeo: Look at that hottie.
Juliet: Like OMGZ *squee* that guy is totally checkin me out!
Romeo: *head nod* Girl you're fine. Let's totally make out.
Juliet: Okayz!
*kisses*
Juliet's Mom: Juliet! OMGZ You have to go out with this OTHER dude!
Romeo: OH SNAP you're a Capulet! CAPULET BAD!!!!
Juliet: Crap.
Romeo: Marry Me...I think you're a hottay.
Juliet: Okayz!!! *squee*
Juliet's Cousin: I KEEL YOU!!! YOU be a Montague!!!
*kills Romeo's Best Boi*
Romeo: NOOOO! I KEEL YOU!
*kills cousin*
Mayor: YOU GET OUTTA MY TOWN, YA HEAR!
Romeo: Oh Snap. Juliet, I'll be back.
Juliet: Okayz. Yo Priest...make me look dead so I don't have to marry that OTHER dude and run off with my Hottie Boyfriend who I think I like now but just wait until I pop out a couple of kids and he cheats on me with some Victorian Sleaze.
Priest: Okay *deadifies*
Juliet: ZZZzzzZZZ
Romeo: Heyz, I'm back Babe.
Juliet: ZZZzzzZZZ
Romeo: NOOOO! I KEEL ME!
*"keels" himself*
Juliet: What? ROMEO?!?! NOOOOOOOO! I KEEL ME!
*kills herself*.

Now. That's if it were to happen now...Would you really consider that two people falling madly in love and just wanting to be together or TWO REALLY DUMB KIDS thinking everything will be alright because they never really think anything through?
We've romantizied Romeo and Juliet to the point of no return. It's not really love.
They thought that if they would've gotten married, it probably would've solved a little bit of that conflict.
People back then, were not the brightest crayons in the box. They would've gone..."Well, they're married, I guess I can't really insult them anymore."
Done.
Le Fin. No More Fighty Fighty.

With Draco and Ginny's case however, things wouldn't just snap back into place. If Draco were to come into the Weasley family, maybe the Weasley's would accept him as their own but it'd be pretty known that Lucious would dissown that boy in a second.
If Ginny were to be accepted into the Malfoy residence...Lucious would probably still think of her as an OBJECT and hang it over the Weasley's head that they are obviously better since one of their OWN joined the family.
Ginny and Draco, TRUE, are taking a risk like that of Romeo and Juliet...in my opinion, if Draco and Ginny aren't in love, they wouldn't even try. They'd just copulate and get it over with. If you're not in love then why do you even try getting together?
...
Now did I really need to explain it by painting a mural for you all?
Probably not.
I did because I was quite bored.
I am just puzzled why we haven't found OTHER ways of comparing our ship than just Romeo and Juliet?
For Future refrence, we should make a list of every relationship that we can think of that has DG qualities...maybe then we'd get a different perspective.
I just think that the Romeo and Juliet comparison is getting kind of old.
Just my opinion.


Luv,
Karly

I really think you're missing the point here.

They were already IN LOVE before they found out the other's identity.



Even though it's less about who likes muggles, and more about who believe Harry and Dumbledore and who's like "OMG I LOVE THE MINISTRY!!1!!!"

Karly, besides the fact that I have no idea what you're going on about, I do think this is a good idea:


You should create a new thread in favor of discussing this.


Kristina

Back then, People got married when it was love at first sight. That's just how things were done. They didn't get married because they thought it would solve the fued. That's why the friar married them but not why they got married. In the end the families stopped fueding because Lord Montague and Lord Capulet lost their only children.

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Does anybody EVER know what I'm talking about?
Plus, I was incoherantly talking to pass time. YAY!


I will right now.

What do you MEAN by this?
Back then nothing was based on love.
It was who you wanted to have children with or who would bring your family wealth.
The feud did end with the death of Romeo and Juliet, but it would've ended with the marriage as well.
This is extremely off topic.
We should be talking about the Weasley's and the Malfoy's.

I love your little Romeo and Juliet skit, Karly. *hehe*




You're extremely right. Let's steer the topic back to Draco and Ginny's families, instead.

Haha *Bows* why thank you Hon.
:DDD

In other news:
Tina, you're absolutely right. It isn't really about the muggles...
I kinda refered back to something, either it was this thread or another one in D/G... and I remember their accountant cousin. They don't talk of him really... nix that thought...
It is about the ministry.
Doesn't it also have to do alot with the following of Voldemort?
Since almost ALL of the Pure Blooded families tend to go that direction EXCEPT for that of the Weasleys and a couple others. Those that had been shunned?
Just thinking...

You know, you're right.
This is weird.
All of the very pretistigious pureblood families do seem to be leaning more toward the death eater/minisitry loving/darker side. I think it's because dislike of muggles = pure breeding = pure blood families that are mean.

Where else were you going with this? The accountant cousin? The one not spoken of? Even the Weasleys have their secrets they don't speak of.... when it comes right down to it, all pure blood families are at least a little bit smililar...


Kristina

Yes, it definitely does, in my opinion. After all, this is a war.




That's a thought most HP fans sort of believe instantly and the sad part is, it's very discriminatory. We only know of a few pure-blooded families, and although it's implied there are not too many left, I'm sure there are many more than the few we've seen.

After reading some of that I agree with Tina.
Romeo and Juliet were lovestruck, and in fact, many beleive not even in love, just ######.
Besides, there is no fued between the Weasly's and the Malfoy's they just dont like each other.
A fued would include killing and fighting openly just because of hatred between the family's.
I also thought about the point that Romeo and Juliet fell in love not knowing who each other was. While if Draco and Ginny fell in love they would knew who each other was, thus the fued (if there is truly one) wouldnt make so much difference because they would know what they were getting into in the first place, that is if, unless, for some reason they fall inlove without infact, knowing who each other was, so the feud would be besides the point.
Karly...by the way...Your skits are like my story telling skills.

Sorry, minor detail: Isn't it "feud?" At least, that's how Family Feud spells it ^^; Or is "fued" the British spelling?

Hmm...if we observe the most extensive family tree of the purebloods we have (Ignoring the fact that D/G are DISTANTLY related...), does it provide any clues or ideas for anyone?

For me, I think I'd like to find just how exactly a member of the Black bloodline and one of the Weasley bloodline got together. Granted, it does not relate directly to the Malfoys, but the Black family has turned out some pretty dark characters as well (Or perhaps Bellatrix and Narcissa are merely influenced by their respective spouses?), so if we find out the history and relationship between the Blacks and Malfoys, it could in turn explain something about the opinions some of them possess regarding people like the Weasleys.

Like penpals! *lame idea*
I have no idea how this could actually plausibly happen, without the clihed ideas of penpals, computers, or masquerade balls. x_x



Did someone make a spelling error? Every where I see it, it IS spelled "feud"...?



Ooh, this is a really good idea. I'm suprised actually that I don't already know this offhand. I'll have to take a look.

Kristina

Thanks Hon. Your Story telling skillz are like my skitz XD
*dances*
We rock.


I believe it's 'feud'.
By the way, that show is awesome...


I'd really like to know that too...
Was Molly a rouge Black? The "Bad Seed"?
That'd be really interesting if we got some family ancestory knowledge and attempt to make the information help our plight.
Does it have to do with the fact that (if theire IS a feud at all) that it goes all the way back to Molly ditching the Black's FOR the Weasley's?

Opps, my fault. I am not the best speller.



Exactly what I was thinking. Probably in my head from reading your fic.

I think I just saw it a lot on the first page of this forum (Even the thread title!)...I think most people started did realize the correct spelling



It's quite an interesting object to analyze, and it only makes us more curious about the history of the purebloods. There is no official Malfoy genealogy, but perhaps sometime before the end of HP J.K.Rowling will explain in more detail regarding the true root of evil and bigotry within that bloodline.

I completely agree.
That'd be aweful nice of her to do so.

Pullin a N:
Tina: Pen Pals kick butt.
<3

Oh wow I didn't even notice the thread title. I didn't start this thread, but I'll go fix it now. Thanks for pointing it out.



An N?


*still chekcing out the family tree*


K

Okay, here is the theory that I am using in my current story, Destined for Completion(note the shameless plug ) Basically, the female born Weaselys are the carriers of an ancient and powerful destiny. There have only been three females born to the family since the time of King Arthur. Part of their destiny is that they have a specific mate who will help them complete said destiny. The second such girl obviously had a mate and was not available for courting. However, she caught the eye of a Malfoy, and we all know that Malfoys are used to getting what they want. Bottom line ,when she refused him, he disgraced her, and ruined her destiny, and then set out destroying the vast Weasley fortune.

It actually makes more sense if you read the story, but its my little take on the history; at least for this particular story. I really do think that the feud has to stem from rejected feelings or a broken betrothal, etc.

Its just my thoughts. I have really enjoyed reading what everyone's ideas are. Keep up the great plotting!

Smiles,
Amy
aka LadyGinevraMalfoy

okay, a little late for me to start commenting on what could have started this "disagreement" or fued, whatever you want to call it, between the families but I am reminded of a legendary fued here in the states between two famalies. I don't know the exact details but from what I remember these two families fueded for almost a hundred years because someone accused someone from the other family of stealing a pig. I may be wrong on this but I'm sure I got the giest of it. I can only remember one of the families names and it was the Hatfields. someone correct me if I have some details wrong.

It doesnt really mean much but it does show how the most minor things can reach monumental proportions.

oh and off topic here but how does one change that thing on the side so that I am no loger an ickle firstie

I think they hate each other just because the Weasleys respect muggles and muggle-borns and the Malfoys thinks that's wrong. Not Exactly sure

As for Disciple of Yorae you go to your profile and click Edit My Profile and once you click there the 1st thing you see is custom member title, and type there whatever you want to say I hope my explanation helped & didn't get you confused

Well, this is going to be a long post.

If we really think about it, there must have been a Malfoy at some point who turned round to himself oneday and thought "Weasly's really suck, and i hate their morals" Maybe this was Lucius, or Grandpa Malfoy, who where influenced by Voldemort. Or maybe it was when Grindlewald was around, but do we really know what his cause was, we can't really assume that he was campaining for the sma ethings as Voldemort.

I can't find anything on the lexicon to do with the family "fued" but i don't believe that Lucius decided to hate the weasley's because of Aurthurs connectino to the muggles, he must have had some influence before that, and before voldemort same for his father, i dont think so much hatred could just come from his different beliefs. We see no evidence that he behaves this way to other families. Only the Weasleys and people connected with them.

Sure the Weasleys are poor, the Malfoys have money, and they hold different morals. I do think this battle must have come from something deeper.

I'm sure JK has said somewhere that the two families have hated each other for as long as anyone can remember, but then again i may be wrong (it's 2am and fanfic works into my brain)

Anyway hypothetically, if the families have been at war for 100's of years then that woudl mean they hated each other before wizards started to breed with muggles. Therfore something elses must have kicked it off.

I like to think this is the case, as there is a greater chance of Ginny becoming curious and discovering that something silly (eg: a broken window hehe) had started the row, and being the firey sprite she is, seek to put things right between the families.

Obviously this is after we find out that Snape is completely innocent, and dumbledore arranged the whole killing to save Draco's innocent soul, and Snapes own life due to the promise thingy, and is welcomed (after much fuss and arguing form harry) back into the fold of the order.


Not at all sure that makes sense due to my beffudled state but oh well, thats my ramble done,

katie xx

hehe I agree with you waffleprincess. It does seem like Weasleys and Malfoys were taught to not like one another.






This is my theory too. I;m so excited for book 7 to find out if I'm right

Hello, I'm not much of a D/G shipper, in fact this is probably the first time I'm admitting to myself I'm actually going for it, but yeah, I like the idea, at least in fandom if it doesn't happen in cannon. So, now that you have a new convert, I'll share with you my idea of how D/G could get together.

You've mentioned that the "feud" would have started years and years ago... Well what about before that feud began? I came upon a thought, that just before the feud began, that the Weasleys and the Malfoys came upon an agreement for a marriage contract that when they had two children who were around the same age of opposite gender that they'd have to marry upon the youngest's seventeenth birthday, and both would find out a year before the younget's seventeenth birthday, and the contract was signed and a "binding magical contract" I don't think that the GoF and Unbreakable Vow are the only forms of binding magical contracts... anyway they make this vow and the vow cannot be broken, as per definition of a binding magical contract. Anyway the next generation finds out, and since the feud has began the Weasley family casts a spell on itself to only produce boys, and the spell will last for at least a century...

It explains why Ginny is the only girl in over a century... so now we come to the modern day and on Ginny's birthday an owl comes in from whatever department that moderates magical contracts and they're all shocked that Ginny is to marry Draco, due to an arranged marriage arranged oh so long ago...

At the very least it would be a grand fanfic...

~Salamon2

Welcome aboard, Salamon2! I'm Crystal, one of the DG Forum mods, so if you have any questions, just come to me.




Yeah... it's no doubt a good idea. Only, it's a good idea that has been written over and over and over again to the point of sheer exhaustion. It's what oldbies to the DG ship would call a DG Cliche. We even have a related thread to them here. Oh, what unoriginal fanfic writers can do to a perfectly good plot...

As for the fued... I can't remember if I added my two cents here.

I do agree that the fued has definitely survived through many generations, and most likely for a better reason than Weasleys all have "red hair" and "hand-me-down robe[s]." Plus they're dirt poor and muggle-loving. And I'm sure the Weasleys had a better reason than the Malfoys are prejudice and evil. Granted, I'm sure being prejudice and evil is reason enough to dislike someone, but their hatred for one another certainly runs deeper. Plus I don't want to get into my interpretation of the word "evil" in relation to the Malfoys and I'm rambling, aren't I? I'll stop now.

My point is something must have happened. Or a series of somethings that provoked such hatred. What that is, we might never know.



Crystal

I personally think both the Weasleys and the malfoys are prejudiced. They can't get along because their ideas are so different.

I think the Weasleys and the Malfoys feud because of prejudice, just like moogle said. If you think about it, Draco and Ginny is kind of like, Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.

Miss Mady

Ooo yeah, I agree. I want to write a D/G fic based on Pride and Prejudice. I also want to do a H/Hr Emma one, since there are so many theories about it, lol.