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Phoenixwriter



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~Merged with poll by Harmione2004 - gal-texter 13Apr2005


~Thread 4 has been moved to the H/Hr forum archive. It's odd seeing two threads with the same title on the forum.
--thereader 1Oct2004

Sometimes, I do feel that H/Hr people give JKR way too much credit in expecting that she's subtly (and "beautifully") setting up Harry and Hermione as the ultimate romantic pairing in the series. There's nothing stopping her (aside from sound literary standards and values) from giving us a trite, Hollywood-style ending where "opposites attract" and a girl ends up with her childhood crush. It would be disappointing if she does do that, but hardly impossible.

I am hopeful though that she is a better writer than that.

Off-topic.

Brilliant posts, everyone. What's interesting to me here is the more general discussion on the HP series, including those that compare JKR's work with Pullman's trilogy. Just wanted to point out a thread that was started a few months ago that some of you might want to participate in:
Is Harry Potter Losing Its Appeal?

It's on the general HP discussion board, and I think a lot of your contributions and thoughts would be better discussed there...?

Mod-Note: All right I thought at first a new thread might help to get back on topic but we are way too . This means I'm going to split this thread and merge it with that nice thread in The Nook which smuggled_muggle mentioned.
Its against the topic of this thread if we keep up such huge posts. Its all fine if one marks a certain section in his/her post as being off topic but not the whole thing you must come in that post arround to get back on topic.

You'll find your post Here

Please, if you like to discuss this further about JKR's writer abilities and or her books then do it in this thread but before you do so take a look at This Rules of The Nook.

As for this topic you are reminded to stay on topic and only use ----> if you like to bring up whats more a side note.

~Phoenixwriter

You know you are a true die hard H/Hr shipper when...

You run out and buy the Half-Blood Prince and when you get to the part where Hermione chooses who she is going to love and it ends up being Ron you shake your head no. Then you then proceed to close the book, put it on a shelf and quickly log on to portkey.org and read fanfics, chanting to yourself continually that Rowling's book simply isn't cannon.

Seriously though, I've been ruined by becoming a shipper. Now, that I have taken this so seriously for so long, I'd be bitterly disappointed if it worked out any other way. I would rather have none of the trio get paired off, rather than see R/Hr happen. At least that way I could keep carrying the torch and reading/writing fanfic.

As far as what might actually happen if H/Hr does not happen. That's a tough topic. Something tells me that we are not going to have the big, fluffy, romantic ending we all dream of for any of the characters. Up until this point J.K. Rowling has not made it seem like that romantic, true-love forever type pairings are really something that she would do. Not that the possibility is not there, but she would have to do a pretty big writing style change to suddenly spin an involved love-story into the mix. My guess is if there are any really serious pairings in the book, that it will take a back seat to the adventure/hero saves the day/true friendship type novels that she has been doing through the first five books.

My guess is if indeed Ron and Hermione were to somehow end up together, it would most likely be we would see them go out on a few dates and maybe a smooch or two, at most. The same could be said for Harry and Hermione. If they do get together it would be surprising if it was anything more than extremely light fluff. Hugging, Holding Hands, a Yule Ball scene and if we're lucky some sweet snogging a time or two. I've been wrong many, many times in life and this could be one of those times, but somehow I very much doubt it.

All we can do now is keep the faith.

I tell you what guys,even my uncle is hoping for a H/Hr ending. And he hasn't even read the books. He's going purely off of what I've told him has happened so far and frankly he doesn't think Ron is good enough for Hermione,simply because of the way he's insulted her in the previous installments. The only way I see Ron getting the girl,is that he's going to have to do some major maturing in book 6 for her to look his way. Other than that I don't see them making it for long as a couple if they do go out in Half-Blood Prince. So to sum up my uncle is hoping that Harry will get the girl in the end-that's his story and he's sticking to it.

I will kill JKR ... LOL I'm just kidding ... of course I am gonna be so sad if H/Hr not happen ... but I can read great fanfics H/Hr as alternate endings

if R/Hr happen in book 6 or 7, JKR must do a lot of hard-work to convince me R/Hr could long last ... coz I have already seen H/Hr is the most beautiful pairing in HP series

thewall28304,
it's so sweet your uncle shipping H/Hr ... unfortunatedly, my brother ship R/Hr ... but the good news for me, my mother said "too much fighting not healthy for couple" ... btw, why most of guys prefer shipping H/Hr ?

p.s : anyone feel R/Hr are like bart and lisa simpson ?

Mod Note: edited to remove the bold - Mirtilla

Sorry but i did a search and cant really find it. But does anyone have a link to a good essay where harry opens up to hermione in the books?

PS - tnx in advance, sorry this prolly shouldnt be here, but i wasnt sure where to put it

What if H/Hr didn't happen? I've been asked this question ever since I became a shipper. I would hope that JKR pairs them up, if she knows what's good for her cause there are going to be calls. Oh yes there would be calls, and visits, and letters and... maybe i'm overreating.

I guess that's why we have fanfiction isn't it? In case something goes wrong?

I'm new here.

I would be quite sad if Harmony didn't happen. I wouldn't understand it because the relationship that Harry and Hermione have is one I dream of having for myself. To me, it's the perfect kind of relationship, one that is very much lacking in socity today.

As many of us would say, I highly doubt I will stop believing in the HMS Pumpkin Pie just because JK Rowling did not make it canon.

Of course I will be disappointed; JK Rowling had put in so many delicious pieces of symbolism and subtle pushes in that direction that I would completely and confidently point my finger in Hollywood's direction for any divergence from that path.

Of course I would be mad; like any good shipper I get riled if the other side scores a point when we should be the ones celebrating. I honestly think that Harry deserves no one but Hermione and she to him. It would be unfair for everyone not to see it and it would be unfair to the characters.

But the main point is that I never starting believing in Harry and Hermione because it was "obvious" or it was canon. I believed because I think that their love, trust, equality, honor, and respect for each other is the paradigm of love and I hold my ideals to them. I will not stop believing in this symbolic relationship just because of a book. It would make me so much happier if it did, but we can't control what JK Rowling does. But we can control what we do and I chose to hold my faith for this ship.

*read question and finally decides to answer it, after weeks and weeks of putting it off*

Well, shipmates, [and guests ], to be honest, I don't know what I'd do. I could stop reading the instant I see a R/Hr moment coming, for all I know. Or, I could just read through it with a very, very, very heavy heart
When Sirius died, the only reason I continued reading was because I thought he would come out of that veil. He was my favorite adult character, and I was very sad when he passed away. Needless to say, I would be even more depressed, increased tenfold, probably, if H/Hr were not to happen.

I cannot remember a time when I didn't think Hermione was to end up with Harry. It just made sense to me from the beginning. Everything about her personality, and how she interacted with Harry then, and now... I think Hermione can make Harry very happy, and vise versa. Since they are my two favorite characters, I would love nothing more than to see them happy in each other's arms... and if that didn't happen, though they are only characters, I would be very devastated indeed.

I guess we can blame JKR for this... she's made us invest so much emotion into our ship that, if they were to "sink", we'd have a great, big scar in our hearts where the hope of H/Hr use to lie.

I'll get over it, probably, but I can assure you guys one thing: I won't like the series as much. It will probably gather dust sitting on my shelf for years (which, right now, is quite unlikely as I dust them everyday )

Anyway, that's how I'll react.

Even more disturbing is the thought that he could end up with someone else at the end of the series. Case in point,yesterday I was discussing the series with a fellow fan who works in the library and she thinks that there are clues from book five that would lead into a Harry/Luna romance by the end. She based this on the fact that when Harry didn't want to talk about Sirius's death with his other friends,he felt better by talking to her about his sorrow instead. Personally I don't see the ability to see thestrals says "I love you my haunted soulmate" but I could be wrong. Unless he starts spending more time with Luna than with his friends,especially Hermione,I don't see where his relationship with Luna could go further than friends.

If H/Hr doesn't happen I'll be heartbroken. They just have a wonderful platonic love that can blossom into something more. Hermione loves both Ron and Harry as friends equally but I can see that she prefers Harry as a person.

Just look at how Harry reacted when he thought Hermione was dead, then compare it to when it seemed Ginny was dead, there is a huge difference, with Ginny he didn't feel a powerful wave of relief when he discovered Ginny was alive.

A lot of people care about Harry, but none do the way Hermione does.
In this book I want to read about a grand love, and I think this is most likely possible with Harry and Hermione because they are emotional people. Also can you imagine how wonderful it would be to read about Harry falling in love with one of his best friends?

HARRY+HERMIONE= TRUE LOVE

What!! Why are you guys doubting the imminent and inevitable??
Maybe I'm just a perpetual optimist but I don't even want to think about things going the other way! Maybe I'm just setting up myself for heartbreak but I'll just have to leave that up to Rowling.
And just incase I have my rope hanging ready.....

i would be dissappointed because h/hr make so much sense and if harry or hermione were to be paired uup with anyone else it just would be an incomplete ending to me. I would still love the books but j.k rowling will have to really use convincing language to make me believe who they end with

If Harry ends up with anyone who isn't Hermione then that girls got a lot of work to do. This girl is going to have to compete with Hermione.

In the highly improbable event that H/Hr doesn't happen, I will be quite disappointed. I still won't stop reading the books, though. One reason that I would continue reading is that I'd want to find reasons from JKR's writing to justify her "break-up" of the H/Hr connection, if she were crazy enough to go down that path.

Now, I know those books are her "babies" and she has the right to make of them as she pleases. However, I feel that if she doesn't explore the H/Hr relationship further, she would be taking the "easy" way out. In my opinion, putting Hermione with Ron is just too simple. On the other hand, there are so many subtle layers to H/Hr's relationship that would be so fascinating to discuss, that I find it difficult to understand why JKR would not want to go into it in the next 2 books.

In any case, I have much hope that H/Hr will happen.

I agree with you LondonGirl26, if R/Hr (ehhhhh) got...to-together..phew, JK jK. but if they did, it would be fight-makeup-fight-makeup-fight, and eventually break up, but from a writer's prospective, there is soooo many ways to expolore and write the relationship Harry and Hermione has, in a way, Harry and Hermione's development is more emotionally and visually attractive both to a writer who loves challenge and readers like me, and many talented H/Hrs i saw in this forum.

NO H/HR
Please J.K, dont let this happen. R/Hr is just too out there and not very romantic.
H/Hr is so sweet and beautiful (or it can be).

Harry and Hermione
Ron and Hermione No Way

I too believe sexual tension is overated. But J.K simply said there is tension there but never did she say it was sexual. That was just something R/Hr shippers got out of the "tension" quote.
R/Hr have tension yes, but it isn't always a good thing. A relationship cant survive on tesion alone, it's doomed.
However if you have the H/Hr bond then you'll most likely succeed in a relationship.

i'll just sigh in defeat. i remember reading somewhere this meanie put in an essay 'disproving' h/hr pairing in a romance h/hr section. *grr* some of the things made me realise that jk being the evil yet extremely good writer she is will tease us with h/h and *ugh* r/h till the last book. but i have this dreading feeling that it'll be r/h in the books *crys*

so if h/h doesnt happen when the books are done... i'll just pretend it happens after the books and ron sees he needs luna to live *nod nod*

If not? Then I was mistaken. It has happened before, and it will happen again.

Mod Note: Please do not post one liners. ~Jennifer/Hermione's Twin

I would be hugely disappointed if H/Hr didn't end up together. Harry and Hermione have such a powerful, special connection and everything has been built up so perfectly between them that it would be a shame to see nothing more come of it. Yes, I'm grateful for the wonderful friendship they have right now but declarations of love would of course make it even better. It's just that I honestly can't picture Harry with any girl other than Hermione...no girl could ever be closer to him or more important to him than she is. And as for Hermione and Ron, I really don't think they could last (they would be more of a short-term thing IMO if they got together)....they are just too different and I don't see Hermione's so-called "attraction" to Ron. But R/Hr is still very probable, so I'm trying to stay open to it even though I really won't want it to happen. I'm just hoping and praying that it's H/Hr in the end!! Ships aside though, I definitely wouldn't stop reading the books, because I enjoy the other aspects.

JMO.

Heya...

What if H/Hr doesn't happen....?

Well... first off, I'm going to go to the store and buy a lot of chocolates. Then I'll pick up the book again (with a bar of chocolate in one hand) and continue reading. If Hermione and Ron showed sign of romantic relationship, then I'll put the book down again and visit portkey, because portkey can do no wrong. After I get high on all the fluffiness of H/Hr, then with a heavy heart finish the book.

That will be what I most likely to do... but if I matured enough by then, I'll probably give out a sad sigh and continue on reading. I love H/hr, dont get me wrong. But the book central plot is not about H/Hr. I'll be happy if Harry made it till the end really! But since Hermione is my favorite character, I don't think I could stomach a R/Hr. If all the trio members end up with not one another (and Harry not with Ginny), then I'll be happy. Beside... ignorance is the common truth right? So yup... at least I have portkey. God bless this site...

just my 0.02

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personally i have no doubts about h/hr not happening so er if it doesn't i think i will be very depressed that i was wrong about h/hr. I mean there just are too many clues for it not to happen.

I will be devastated of course if H/Hr doesn't happen. But, for sure, I will continue to read the books. Beside being a big fan, I am curious to find out what will happen at the end between Harry and Voldemort, their final battle and also what will happen to the other characters.

However, I agree with Moogle and Hermione 2004. There just too many clues, incidences and interactions between Harry and Hermione that indicates a budding love between them.

Well, we just have to wait and see. And Pray.

Many thanks,
H/Hr Infinity

Hmm... what would I do...
Seeing as I'm not much of a shipper anyway and am too used to being proven wrong nothing special... I'll just go on reading the books and for H/Hr read fanfiction... I've done that till now why should I change it?

-Nadja

I'm pretty confident in the clues that Jo's books have given us so far..
But if for some crazy reason H/Hr didn't happen, I hope it would be because she (Jo) decided not to really play up having the characters date during the last two books and just focus mainly on the war with Voldemort..
This way I wouldn't have to see Harry or Hermione date anyone else..heh
But hey that's just wishful thinking =)
-Jem

As long as Harry doesn't get paired up with Ginny I can stomach H/Hr not happening. Honestly, H/G makes my physically ill. R/Hr wouldn't be that, bad, I suppose, so long as it doesn't hijack the story too much. But if H/G happens...well....*shudder*, I would prbably put the book down right then and there and not come back to it for at least a month.

R/Hr makes me ...extremely uncomfortable, like someone had just physically strangled me to death...H/G makes me extremely "how did that happen?" confused, its not really the idea of their relationships but rather their interactions...if H/Hr doesnt happen, i would began to question my idea on love and relationship, put the book down gently and light it on fire..hahaha jkjk but if Hermione ends up with anyone else besides Harry..............................or ron, then i would feel like i wasted my entire youth arguing with R/Hrs //

If they don't happen I surelly don't go and burn my books...I've spent not lot but a few precious (go...gollum... ) 'coins' to buy them...so burn the books is not an option!

If they don't happen I surelly don't go and send hate mail to JKR. She is a too good writer (even if she goes and write something non sense like R/Hr and H/G) to be at the end of such 'down hill' action!

If they don't happen I surelly go and cry myself to sleep hopping to dream about H/Hr...Am I too obssecive (sp?) with H/Hr? You bet!!!

It's almost new year...don't go and even think that H/Hr will sink like some poor little boat...we must hope and our wait will be greatly award with H/Hr already in this upcoming year with HBP!

~Ana

To say I'd be miffed would be an understatement. I'd be shocked, of course. When I first came to PK, I was one of those H/Hr supporters that thought R/Hr might come out in the end. Now, thankfully, I have enough faith in my ship to go down with it, if the need should so arise.

If JKR doesn't make it H/Hr, it would hurt, but I'd eventually be able to accept it. I might even be able to accept R/Hr. But H/G? No. I don't see it coming. If it happened I wouldn't lose faith in JKR as a great writer (after all, she's hooked me onto the entire series so far), but I definitely wouldn't trust any future books she might have with shipping possibilities.

So, if H/Hr didn't happen, most likely I would stare at the book with a dumb expression on my face for 20 minutes, walk away, then sigh heavily, and return to continue reading so that I may find out exactly why it didn't happen.

(OMG, a first-poster! Flee! Flee!)

First off, I think Harry and Hermione would be a great couple (otherwise I probably never would have bothered to get a Portkey account), and I personally have a lot of truck with the idea of deep friendship and understanding being integral to a lasting, true bond, whether the friendship part comes before, after, or during all that romantic stuff.

That being said, I can think of plenty of ways they could wind up not together that would still make me smile. Call me a blasphemer, but Hermione and Neville would be a cute match (dorky guy and brilliant girl - a coupling dear to my own heart). Harry and Luna I could deal with, mostly because Luna is an endearing little nutball with so much yet to be discovered about her, and they could grow together nicely.

I guess I could best answer the question by saying that I, like several of the post-ers immediately preceding, would be disappointed to see either Ron/Hermione or Harry/Ginny, unless JKR can do some pretty oomphy convincing in books 6-7. Harry and Ginny seems creepily close to being incestuous - my impression is that Ginny has always been a little-sister-by-extension to Harry.

Ron and Hermione I could have lived with (though it would have made me go "ehhh") before I started spending time in fandom. Choosing my words carefully, because I know bashing is not allowed (and it is not my intention to bash), let me just say that it was the R/Hr fandom in general that convinced me that I'd be unsatisfied with that pairing. I guess there's only so many times I can read "Everyone knows that people who are in love fight all the time" before it turns {a} my opinion, {b} my stomach, or {c} all of the above.

Short form of the above - I would not necessarily be disappointed if Harry and Hermione didn't live happily ever after, but I'd be more than disappointed if one or both of those other couplings were given as the alternative. Then again, I wouldn't be at all surprised if JKR ended book seven with no firm pairings at all. (Imagine that - ship wars that never die! The carnage!)

Rain

Mod Note: Merged with a related topic. Original title was Opinion of Hermione, What if Hermione chose Ron?. ~Anazecria/Nielle

I'm sorry if this topic doesn't belong here...I was just curious. If Hermione did somehow end up with Ron, would your opinions of her change? Personally, and I hate to say it, I think I'd lose a lot of respect for her character because the Hermione that I've grown to adore is the one who I believe loves Harry. So, would anyone else have a change of opinion, or do you love her regardless of her choice?

I really like hermione as a charcter, to me she is just so genuine you know. I would be really dissappointed if she went with ron though because the guy is downright mean to her.

Hi! (Delurking alert!)

I absolutely adore Hermione , and would not mind so much if she does end up with nearly every other male in the HP universe, except Ron. I think Ron is a wonderful character, though not a fave, but I can't really see him with Hermione.

If H/Hr doesn't happen (don't think so), I certainly wouldn't mind Hermione ending up with Neville (he is really growing into his own skin), or Harry with Luna (she's such a lovely and quirky character), but hopefully no R/Hr or H/G.


I was just wondering whether Neville could be a catalyst for H/Hr. It would seem (at least to me) a less obvious choice than R/Hr as catalyst for H/Hr, and more fun too.
(Dear Mods, if this is not the appropriate thread for this question, kindly remove upon consideration. Thanks).

Cheers.
(Crawling back into underground lurker domain)

If Hermione went with Ron, I would seriously question her judgement. A) They fight all the time B.) He's been known to belittle her character and C) Why would she go for Ron when its obvious she won't change him? (After 5 years and he's still the same, that kinda tells ya something, no?)

If H/Hr did not happen and they all stayed platonic, then I'd be upset but not as bad as I would be if Hr and H fell for other people.

J