Mod Note: Merged with "Down With R/J" from the Archives. Find the original starting post here. --Crystal, Oct24

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Am i the only one who HATES the way people talk about Draco/Ginny and then they just automatically say 'oh that pairing is like Romeo/Juilet'? *growls* I'm sorry, but it's not. Now i'm not bashing R/J or anything... just saying D/G is not like R/J. Here's one of my reasons and hopefully you can list a few of your own to ease my thoughts

Reason 1) Romeo and Juilet didn't know eachother beforehand personally. The Montagues and Capulets (sorry for spelling) just hate the general family, not every person. For example they don't make it a point to single out all of them in one day. Draco and Ginny do.

Draco does not just make fun of Ron, he teases Ginny as well. Romeo didn't know Juilet even existed before so when he met her he didn't hate her. So basically you have two completely different starting points in the relationships.

D/G- They've hated eachother for as long as they can remember and won't fall in live at first sight.

R/J- Fell in love at first sight not even knowing they were rivals. (What kind of rival family doesn't know all they're supposed to hate anyway? Gawsh, now that i think about it they were both pretty shallow too...)

Just one part of my long rant on how D/G is not like R/J. Please someone post here and let me know i'm not the only one who knows that d/g isn't r/j and can say why... I'll give you a cookie *waves a little basket of cookies tauntingly* You know you want one!!!

Nicole

I think the reason people DO compare them to R&J is because of the whole forbidden love thing.

Like, if they fell in love, their families, who hate one another, would become even bigger rivals. I'm not saying that they'd shun their kids, I doubt the Weasleys would kick Ginny out, but I'm sure Lucius would banish Draco, kinda like what Juliet's father did to her when she didn't want to marry Paris.

Ron, like Tybalt, is quite hotheaded, although I doubt he's as violent. I can totally see HIM challenging Malfoy to a duel though, what a scene that would be!

I can see D/G sneaking off together to get married, to make love, just to be alone...all that stuff.

There's just no Mercutio, I doubt Crabbe and Goyle can fill those shoes

I agree with your points as well, I mean, Draco and Ginny didn't fall in love at first sight, Draco doesn't JUST make fun of the family in general, although he has at least one time I can think of. (CoS book)

It does make a soul wonder if JKR is trying to set Draco and Ginny up for this sort of thing, but I doubt it, it'd be too secondary, esp since she doesn't plan on romance being a huge deal in the books.

Kaykos dahlink! How positively spiffin to see you here! [this is Malfoys Mistress from FAP ::grin::]

Hmm you do give some good arguments though. Personally I never liked the comparing because I'm not a big fan of Romeo and Juliet. The pairs do have their things in common, but they're not so totally alike that people can interchange them as I've seen done.

I think it can go either way, really. Oh I don't know! Argh, you and Heaven both make valid points and that's all I'm going to say.

+ Ramora +

People think D/G is like R/J??? Ugh..how..blah..I don't see any comparisons between them



~Hermione_best_student*

I think i may be the only one... but i hope someone can explain to me how Draco is like Romeo... Well i would elaborate on my views, but i'm being kicked off the putter. See yall later!!

~Nicole

Romeo And Juliet are no way like D/G. That's what i think. I don't remember the lay of Romeo/Juliet clearly, i read it when i was in 5th grade and obiously i seemed boring to me then, but still Ginny is no way like Juliet. Is she? And Draco and Romeo? Romeo was not very nasty? was he? i agree with kaykos, (aren't you always right? ) ah well...that were my 1'n'alf cents...

Hey guys. I know, how annoying is that. Romeo and Juliet were "star crossed lovers" and all that crap. Ginny and Draco hate each other! I don't remember any lovers' quarrels in Shakespears play. Grr-ness... Anyway, yeah, just felt like putting my two cents in, so... buh bye! teehee

~ GuineaGirl

*clears throad preparing herself for a big rant* Okay now... to get into the whole 'Draco is NOT romeo' thing... (by the way, I just read R/J this semester *blushes* I feel so behind when Magic read it in fifth grade!!)

Draco's traits- Doesn't care about anyone except himself. Is a hard ass spoiled brat who does what he does so it benifits himself. He's not mushy or sweet or fluffy in any way, shape or form. Draco doesn't like anyone if they don't see the same things the same way he does. VERY materialistic.

Romeo's traits- Sickeningly fluffy. Loves anyone who's purdy. Extremely shallow but thinks he's deep. Materialistic... but he will be with someone who doesn't see things the same way as himself. Not too spoiled, and has been denied things in life.

Hmmm the only things that i saw the same there were that they were shallow and like anyone who's pretty. *ponders* i just can't see why people connect the two pairings together! *shakes head*

Nicole

Okay, I mean I want to know the reasons for which People Denote G/D with R/J? Why do they do that?

Oh whoops, i just guess it's because they both come from feuding families. *shrugs* I will never understand the minds of normal people.

Nicole

Normal People! Doubles Up! Normal People! Can't contain my laughter but Certainly coming from two fueding families....Well this is laughble. But then i guess people have strange idea's like that last cookie of yours..

when I read the title I was like...nooooooh way! but then I went to "pensive-land" and hmm...ok, maybe they are a bit like... But R/J seems too fluffy to be a D/G parallel...
yeah, that was all I had to say... *swoops away*

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But R/J seems too fluffy to be a D/G parallel

yay good job! *hands you a cookie* Smart Mary!

Okay, I haven't posted in a while so here I am... TA DA! lol what else can I say about D/G and R/J... Oh yeah! Draco isn't a sappy git he's mean RAHR he'll bite your head off, or at least get Crabbe and Goyle to

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But then i guess people have strange idea's like that last cookie of yours..

Yes, sadly enough they do... and it must be pretty bad if they get ideas like I get for my cookies

Nicole

wow!!! I never heard of D/G and R/j being compared together!!!

THATS DUMB!!!!!!!

I just read R/J (I feel dumb too!!) and wow that stuff was like sooooo perfect it.. was...was gorss!!!!!

(I had to read for Juliet and I am now permenatly scared for life... mostly cuz Romeo was being read by someone who was...erm not atractive)

I think who ever suggested that D/G was like R/J should die and be chopped up into little peices!!! Blah!!! Thats just..just..just WRONG!!!!!! *explodes*

*Takes deep calming breaths*




All betters!!!


~Bristar

LMAO Bristar!!!!!!!!!! I don't know if i've laughed so hard in a long time *clears throat* Anyway, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Would you mind comparing some of the characters to the other ones (Romeo vs. Draco and Juilet vs. Ginny sort of thing) because my mind has gone temporarily blank, and it doesn't help that I don't have English anymore *pouts* Oh well, must be going...

Nicole

I agree with what you all have been saying on this thread - Romeo/Juliet and Draco/Ginny are two totally different love stories. Hoenestly, I just came up with a better analogy while I was reading some D/G fanfiction. If any of you watch General Hospital, I think that Draco and Ginny are more like Sonny and Carly. Sonny's the local mob boss, always in trouble and danger, and Carly stands by him, strong as ever. I don't know if this description fits exactly, but when I see Sonny and Carly, it kind of makes me think of D/G. But yeah.
~Gaia

I don't think D and G should be compared to Romeo and Juliet seriously, because theirs was NOT love at first sight and the whole tale of R&J was spin doctored into this kind of love that was purely superficial. Did they even know that they were meant to be? Did they know that they were going to be soul mates? If they weren't... they killed themselves for what could have been a purely physical attraction and adolescent infatuation. I'm sorry that just doesn't work it for me.

Draco and Ginny, maybe similar to two feuding houses and the whole forbidden love thing, but that is it. First of all there is no love at first sight but hatred and frustration with each other. Second of all, if they were to be together, after much hardship, and it was all forbidden, big bloody deal. Forbidden means prohibited and tell me when did Draco ever care for rules? Plus, he wouldn't be as stupid to bloody kill himself over a fact of parental disagreements. If they really loved each other they would find a way out of things. No need for melodrama with the whole sleeping anecdote thing and happy daggers.

What they have is this tortured angst going between them and thats the hard part they would have to overcome. Malfoy and Weasley, rivalry and prejudice, a whole lot of obstacles to overcome with a whole bout of trust issues. It makes it all sweeter when they get together, after going through so much. That's a real test.

It's a love hate relationship which spawns and provokes much thought. All you get from R&J are 'Oh their in love'.
Right...

Not that I don't like Shakespeare's Stuff and all but really to compare them with R&J, is a fallacy! Down right illegal and overly sappy.

I have said my peace! Lol.

Cheers!

QUOTE (Kaykos @ Jan 10 2003, 01:39 AM)

I think i may be the only one... but i hope someone can explain to me how Draco is like Romeo...

**eyes bug out and starts ROTFL**

okay, sorry if i offend anyone, but phew!
draco is NOT like Romeo...and thank Merlin!

anyway, i think people say this because of the forbidden love thing. yeah, and i happen to be one of those people who think so. but as other fics say, "they die in the end" and I don't want that to happen in d/g.

I was just curious to see what people thought of the "Romeo/Juliet" comparison since it seems to come up on every board. Here's your chance to defend or vent your stance on the issue.

I dislike the D/G = Romeo/Juliet analogy, and voted against it, though I'm rethinking and sort of wish I'd gone for the "maybe" choice. Draco has a disgust for people like the Weasleys, not a hatred of the sort that existed between the house of Montague and Capulet. The love at first sight thing is a bit more difficult because Romeo fell in love with Juliet without knowing who she was - it's very likely he wouldn't have been as attracted to her if he'd known who she was. Very possibly Draco would have liked Ginny if they'd been a little older and he hadn't known who she was.

But I don't have a problem either way. Romeo and Juliet's fate is emphatically not something I'd wish on either Draco or Ginny, together or not.

~Nelli.

I will admit that I voted for the last choice:

First off...

I just want to say that I love R/J
now there are some similaritys, becouse of the forbidden love and all that BUT
isn't the same

*Romeo & Juliet thing was love at first sight, not like Draco and Ginny
*R/J didn't hate each other
*Romeo is a ver good guy, and well Darco isn't
*Juliet wasn't at all like Ginny
*I don't think that the waesleys might want to get ginny married and Mr. Weasley won't try so bad ginny only becouse she dosen't want to marry
*There isn't a nurse, mercutio, tybalt, fray laurence,

So isn't the same

Mod Note: I edited out your comment, BabyPan. Thank you for giving her that advice, but I ask of you that the next time someone bashes or does something against the rules, please report it to the mods instead. --Crystal, Nov2

I think most people like to compare R/J is because of the 'general idea'. Their families had this big feud going on, the Malfoys and Weasleys had too, that's why they like to compare it.

This is very interesting to me because I've been writing a D/G fic called Reciprocality in which I allude to Romeo and Juliet. I didn't make the connection before hand, but rather chose to go in that direction because of what happens. I understand that it isn't a perfect comparison, but it still appeals to me because, more of less, they aren't supposed to be together. Cliche or not, I'll take it anyway.

Another thing, though, is that everyone's been assimilating Ginny to Juliet and Draco to Romeo. But if you were going to do that period, I'd definitely say Ginny was more like Romeo and Draco like Juliet. Juliet's family was more uptight, maybe? But Juliet was definitely the weaker force, waiting for Romeo to do everything. Go figure.

If you want to check out the fic, go here:Reciprocality If you read it, please please review, even if only to comment of the R/J thing?

Thanks,
thecoldhardground

Okay, since the similarities and differences of Draco/Ginny and Romeo/Juliet are such a hot topic lately, I'm reviving this thread, so post here about what you think of the two couples.

IMHO, I believe that the similarities between both R/J and D/G are very scant and in between. The only real similarity is that their family dislike each other with a passion, but that is only in its broadest sense. Everything elkse is different.

I read something once where the characters in HP and R+J were compared so they matched everyone up with another character, but I don't remember where I saw it, and I distincly remember thinking the comparisons were sketchy and slightly forced.

I guess people just use the R+J comparison as a good way to PROVE DG, which makes it weird that we're throwing it out, but you have to make sure evidence in support of your ship really is strong enough to carry it further than the rest of the ships out there.

While I believe R+J does prove that hatred between families doesnt last forever and can be lifted, the means of doing so in R+J as pposed to D/G are entirely different scenarios.

In R+J - the two meet at a party, completely unaware of who the other one is. Each just think they've fallen for love at first sight with a nice young boy/girl. All the courting, kissing, and act-of-getting-together is done well before either one finds the other is a Capulet or a Montague. Therefore, neither one knew they were decieving their families until they'd already fallen in love, and by theat point there was no way they'd choose to hate each other just to carry on the family feud.

Whereas in HP with with D/G scenario - Draco and Ginny are both well aware of who the other is. There is no way they could fall in love without knowing full well that they were going against their families. They'd have to overcome the "hate" already between them before they could fall in love.

There are most obstacles in the way of D/G, even though their families don't neccesarily have a bloody violet "feud" going on. They'd have to overcome an already established hate for eachother, while Romeo and Juliet didn't know they were supposed to hate each other when they first met.


So while there are similarities, shippers need to understand this great gaping difference before claiming the SS Fire and Ice is exactly like the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.



Kristina

Draco & Ginny are somewhat similar to Romeo & Juliet but not all the way because ther's still a possability that Ginny & Draco might have a very happy ending while Romeo & Juliet did not.

Ok I have a lot to say about this.

I voted no because in no way are Draco and Ginny like Romeo and Juliet. When Romeo first sees Juliet he falls completely in love with her. He soon realizes that he can't live his life without her. When Draco first sees Ginny he thinks of her as the dirty poor.

Once Romeo and Juliet learn of eachother's love for.....well.....eachother, they decide to elope and live happily ever after. Because of the fact that Ginny is of somewhat lower class than Draco, Draco would never even consider dating let alone falling in love with her. Granted, some of this is the influence of Lucius.

I love Romeo and Juliet, so I hate seeing it used when it really doesn't fit. I'm all for Draco and Ginny, but I really don't see how they're in any way like Romeo and Juliet.

~Helena M.

I'm reading Romeo and Juliet right now.
Draco and Ginny are just like them

Have to say I see them more as an Elizabeth Bennet/Mr Darcy type pair. There's the repression, the changing of sentiment from hate to love, the class difference, the scandal, the overbearing parents and eventually the overcoming of obstacles to be with one another. Lovely. Oh, and it has a happy ending, which is always nice.

Holly x

P.S. I ADORE 'Pride and Predjudice' in case you hadn't noticed!

Kaykos, you aren't alone. I've always thought that D/G is different; a ferocious ship consisted of equally ferocious characters. Romeo and Juliet (for me) is more of a 'lovey-dovey' type but our ship is sort of the serious one.

Draco and Ginny's characters are deep when combined in a scene because their raw emotions surface. This just might be due to my overdose of reading fanfics, but I thought that this ship has more 'darkness' in the style of love... and lust, perhaps?

*shrugs*

I always saw D/G as an almost foil to R/J character-wise. Putting aside the many points that differ between the two situations, they're all extremely different than their "counterparts" if we're comparing.

Draco is snarky, bullying, and conceded. Romeo is a hopeless romantic that hastily jumps to make decisions.

Ginny may be rebeling on some degrees- but not nearly as much as Juliet does. She's outspoken and spunky, where Juliet was naive and gullible. Although it can be argued, Ginny is the opposite in my opinion.


Crystal