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If anyone has read some mythology before, you will know that Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet is somewhat based on the myths of Pyramus and Thisbe, Hero and Leander.

The story of Hero and Leander is also based on forbidden love. Hero's parents forbade her to see Leander. However, they managed to see each other by code signals. When Hero lit a lantern in her tower, Leander would swim over to her and stay with her for an hour or two. But one day, there was a storm and Leander drowned while swimming over...and upon seeing his dead body, Hero drowned herself.

The story of Pyramus and Thisbe is even more similar to Romeo and Juliet. They were, also, forbidden to marry. However, they were childhood friends. One day, they agreed to meet, but Thisbe, who got there first, was approached by a lioness. Since she was afraid, she fled and accidently dropped her veil. The lioness picked up the veil with her bloody mouth and then dropped it again. When Pyramus arrived at the spot they were supposed to meet, he killed himself because he thought Thisbe died. Then, Thisbe saw that Pyramus died, so she killed herself next to him.

:blink:What's my point, here?

We all know that JK Rowling uses a lot of mythology in the Harry Potter series. So...could it be possible that she will base something on the stories of Hero/Leander and Pyramus/Thisbe? *hint* D/G! We all think D/G would be kind of like Romeo and Juliet...and Romeo and Juliet was from these myths...So there can be a possibilty of D/G actually happening in canon if JK Rowling bases more things on certain myths...^.~

--Sandie--

You make a very good point there Sandie! Even though I haven't read Romeo And Joliet I kno the background of it so therefore I totally agree with you! Maybe JK Rowling will base it on Romeo And Joliet and put Draco And Ginny together. Hey, we can still hope so. hehe. (muwahah I'm the first person to reply I think)






~Anna~

Pandie, you amaze me!! <3 I totally agree...it sounds pretty logical to me. Let's hope that JKR thinks it's a good idea, too!

-kc!!?

::Nod:: Her use of mythology could be in our favor! Though the only problem I see in all of the tales that could possibly match up to Draco and Ginny's are ones that end with death and then suicide. O_o I'm not quite sure if JKR would put something like that in- for the sake of the little children. Well, all hail, that's the point of borrowing, I suppose. She doesn't neccessarily have to kill off the two at the end...

I hope.

Hmm, I've heard this story before.

DG seems more similar to this than Romeo & Juliet, because of they knew each other.

But I don't doubt that if JKR borrowed the idea, she would be hesitant to carry out the end, too. After all, two characters have already died, and she's told us more will.



Faith

I think I'd like it more if Ginny and Draco didn't die in the end. I was just thinking that JKR could possibly borrow the mythology ideas and make it happen as D/G without the suicide/death.

--Sandie--

yes we wouldn't want Draco and Ginny to end up my the ill fated, starcrossed lovers Romeo and Juliet. they must live happily ever after.

People, wait a second, you're overlooking something:

Draco and Ginny hate each other in canon!

neither of these stories is like that: Romeo and Juliet didn't know each other, Pyramus and Thisby, Hero and Leander did but in a good way.

And besides, even though JKR bases a lot on mythology, but not everything. *tries to imagine Hogwarts!Troy*

So this is a little far-fetched in my opinion. The only mythology that would keep people in character and that I can think about is Tarquinius Superbus and Lucrezia (you know... the rape of Lucrece thing and stuff)

Ri

I think I'll look that one up.

And yeah, you're right, but you know, I was just overlooking that fact.



Faith

The fact that they hate each other doesn't mean much... I mean she wouldn't follow the plot exactly if she mirrored one of these ideas..

I don't know. I don't know if I'm for or against the mythology idea, but it always makes a good discussion and creates some great fanfics, in my opinion.


Kristina, also planning to look up some of these stories

well It is common fact that Draco hates Ron and he teased Ginny but does he hate her? I don't know if that question was answered.

Here's a new theory for all you D/G fans out there.
Draco's name is derived from the word Dragon, right? Here's a quote:

I heard that the name 'Ginevra' is somehow related to 'Dragons', I don't know if this one is true, someone just told me...

I didn't read the first post because I'm so lazy ._. But anyway:

Origin and Meaning of First Name Ginevra
What is the ethnic origin?
Arthurian Legend

What does it mean?
Variant of Guinevere: Fair one. Guinevere was King Arthur's mythological queen.

What's the gender (commonly)?
Female

Ok, this relates (but is not a direct response) to Nutcrazical's contribution of the origin of the name Ginevra. Read jetso's explanation here of "Ginevra". One of the questions she tackled was IF that name means "wife of the king".

Excerpts:

Well If you put Draco and Ginny together you can make a stupid spelling of Dragon.... Dragin .... its meant to be.

Brit

Thank you for that post, Pen!

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As for the King Arthur legend (explanation here): I was familiar with her kidnapping by Mordred, and was even close to writing a fanfiction about it- but decided not to. I didn't have the time.



Crystal

Oh God, when I went to bed a few hours after I posted "Ginevra"'s meaning, I went, OMG, Guinevere? Butttt, thatttttt's notttt good! *panic*.

Interesting little... post thing there. I had totally forgotten about Lancelot... *hits herself*


Draco + Ginny = Draconny, Draginny?

I don't know if you have know, that Saint George had killed a dragon. And as we all know JKR does not choose any names for her characters. I wonder if George Weasley will do something to Draco? (Because he went out with Ginny? )

I'm not sure if the legend itself is relevent here but here it is...

Seriously? That's a good sign! *hearts* I do not know much of these legends for I am not a British but in general, I know who King Arthur is. I am just happy that somehow the reference of King Arthur has something to do with Guinevere. Now this subject interested me more than ever.

Mod Note: Split and merged from "The Inane Theories Thread." --InTheStars/Crystal 2005Jan11

It's true that we could compare Ginny and Draco to the mythical Dragon and Virgin but does Ginny really seem all that virginal too you?

To me my sister and I always use the analogy that Ginny can be one of those girls who wants to change the bad guy into the more misunderstood guy ("I use that insted of the good guy cause no matter what there can be no inate evil and no inate good. Even Harry portrayed as inately good has his evil flaws)

Or we could say we each try to portray ourselves in each of the character. One, if we are female, we identify with Ginny and let our fantasies run with the bad (misunderstood) boy Draco) and if we are male... well I really can't comment on that.

And what is more is that Ginny is really a strong character in her own right but the books are not Ginny Weasley and the Philosphers Stone now are they or vice versa for Draco. They are just characters whom of which we recive fleeting glances of in passin wether it be a confrontation between the two rivaels or Ginny berating Harry in OTP as she does quiet frequently.

Though I still love the idea that Ginny is really in it to change someone.


I also like to state that you could also look at Draco distaste for Potter is Jelousy that he has the attention of a beautiful young girl and that even though he is as famouse as him(in money tearms and family legacy) he is put out because he is put off by him... Case in point if the anoyomus Valentine and the fact that Draco teases Potter and Ginny for the display... his tactic to cover up his jelousy

Mod Note: Merged with Draco-King Arthur topic. --Crystal/InTheStars, 11/25/05

I have this from muggelnet:

Malfoy - In Latin, "mal" means "pale." "Mal foi" means "bad faith, an act with bad intentions, or a malicious act" in French. "Mal de foi" means a "loss of faith." The similar French phrase "Mal fait" can be interpeted as "badly made" or "evil deeds." Similarly, in Portuguese, (JK Rowling taught English in Portugal for a few years) "Mal foi" means "was bad" or "is bad." In Arthurian legends, Lancelot (King Arthur's greatest knight and his betrayor) is sometimes called "Le Chevallier Mal Fait" (the "mal fait" knight). "Foy" means a farewell feast, drink, or gift, as at a wedding.


here the whole link: Muggelnet

I have read a lot of theories that compare Harry Potter to the King Arthur story and as Ginny's full name is Ginevra, somehow related to Guinnivere. So Harry as Arthur, Ginny as his wife (as in book 6) with Draco as Lancelot?

No, I don't think so. That is, I don't believe Draco will take the position of a Lancelot-type character in this story, but excellent research on the linguistics! The problem with it is that Arthur, Lancelot, and Guinivere function as a spirit-body-mind trio, which is exactly the same way that the Harry-Ron-Hermione trio functions. Because Ginny's not part of the trio, it's not going to work out the same way it does in Arthurian legend. Also, in most King Arthur legends, Guinivere is the center of a love triangle, torn between her love for Arthur and Lancelot, who are each other's best friends. (Sound familiar, anyone?) So I really don't think it's all that comparable with Harry and Draco, because they're certainly not best friends (though it will be interesting to see if their relationship changes after what Harry saw on the tower when Dumbledore died) and because Ginny has never shown any interest in Draco. But still, I really appreciate your line of reckoning -- very interesting!

Okay, I seriously let out a huge, audible gasp at "Lancelot (King Arthur's greatest knight and his betrayor) is sometimes called "Le Chevallier Mal Fait"". I am all over this.

Legilimency, don't rain all over the parade with thinking too hard into the relationships. We're just talking names here, anyways.

We D/Gers need to be as positive as possible - even more than possible.


-D

Because ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

Nice finding though- quite the coincedence. OR IS IT?

Crystal

I like the idea of the whole forbidden love type thing (though if either of them die I will be highly dissappointed).

It doesn;t matter if Draco and Ginny hate each other. Clearly it is sexual tension (ehhe ok I'm sorry)

But seriously, I think they have a very good chance. We know now after HBP Draco is not as evil as he is made out to be.